Recruiting Tips for Parents Just Starting the Process

Simisoccerfan said:
I hesitate to post this since I know how some people respond on this forum but my dd hurt her knee last week on the same day she signed her NLI. She is the sweetest, hardest working girl and I have been sick to my stomach these past few days. She spoke to her college coach before turning in the NLI (since that is the right thing to do) and they told her not to worry. They hope for the best but either way they are happy to have her. MRI was done today and it will be a few days until we know the results. You can hate on me all you want but please send positive thoughts her way.
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Hopefully it is not too serious and she rebounds quickly...JW is a quality guy and he won't view this as anything other than a small bump in the road. Best wishes to your player...
 
Simisoccerfan said:
I already expressed my displeasure with what they are doing. I hoped that they would change their minds but I am not going to force them to honor her. In my mind two wrongs don't make a right. It just was a dick move not to recognize her in front of her peers and my understanding was that the coach had nothing to do with the decision. It was all the AD.
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That is REALLY disappointing to hear... Congrats to your daughter. All praises to her and her hard work/accomplishments. I just don't understand the hate even though my DD gets it too. All the best!
 
End of the Line said:
"Instead of playing a miserable game in the rain tonight with a team that none of her friends play on anymore, she is in Florida with 15 of her best friends."

In addition to that little gem, you also made sure to let everyone know your daughter was last year's MVP and is the school's "only DI athlete".
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Simi, if that first quote above is yours, then you are just as petty as the AD you complain about. Simi, you can't take the high road and fire shots at the same time. There are pluses and minuses to playing DA and you have to deal with the minuses just as those of us that aren't DA have to deal with the minuses of not playing DA (assuming we could if we wanted to).

Which brings me to my next subject, why doesn't DA allow the players that aren't national team caliber just play high school ball. The solution for me is easy. Select the players that are truly elite and national team caliber and have a special 2-3 month camp with them during high school season and let the rest play high school. US Soccer can do whatever they want with these players during this period. If they want to travel to other cities or countries for friendlies or training, there are plenty of vacation days during this period (i.e. Thanksgiving, Christmas, MLK, 2 Presidents days).

For 99% of DA players, college will be the end of it, so let them have some fun. And don't start with this "my daughter would rather train with her DA team than play high school." That's like a kid saying he'd rather study than go to Disneyland.
 
Justafan said:
For 99% of DA players, college will be the end of it, so let them have some fun. And don't start with this "my daughter would rather train with her DA team than play high school." That's like a kid saying he'd rather study than go to Disneyland.
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LOL - daughter is sitting across from me and I straight out asked her would she rather train for DA or play HS soccer - she flat out said DA training. Don't know what to tell you.
 
Justafan said:
Simi, if that first quote above is yours, then you are just as petty as the AD you complain about. Simi, you can't take the high road and fire shots at the same time. There are pluses and minuses to playing DA and you have to deal with the minuses just as those of us that aren't DA have to deal with the minuses of not playing DA (assuming we could if we wanted to).

Which brings me to my next subject, why doesn't DA allow the players that aren't national team caliber just play high school ball. The solution for me is easy. Select the players that are truly elite and national team caliber and have a special 2-3 month camp with them during high school season and let the rest play high school. US Soccer can do whatever they want with these players during this period. If they want to travel to other cities or countries for friendlies or training, there are plenty of vacation days during this period (i.e. Thanksgiving, Christmas, MLK, 2 Presidents days).

For 99% of DA players, college will be the end of it, so let them have some fun. And don't start with this "my daughter would rather train with her DA team than play high school." That's like a kid saying he'd rather study than go to Disneyland.
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You are aware that even if DA changed the rule, CIF prevents DA players from competing in CIF. That's what makes this thread so ridiculous. CIF has the same rule as DA, except DA makes an exception for national team players. No ODP, no club, no national team games under CIF rules (see Section 600 under the bylaws). Yet, we are making this about kids playing DA? You also seem confused about the HS soccer season. Depending on what part of the country you are in, HS season could be a different season. That's why ECNL has so many showcases so it accommodate the different HS seasons.

And yes, some players rather play DA (or on any club team) than play HS. In HS, you have no choice regarding your coach or teammates. Some coaches and teammates are awful, which is 4 years of misery. It's worse in HS when kids are so click-ish and you have upperclasswomen who can be petty. I've had some love HS teams, and others hate HS teams. It's far from Disneyland.
 
MarkM said:
You are aware that even if DA changed the rule, CIF prevents DA players from competing in CIF. That's what makes this thread so ridiculous. CIF has the same rule as DA, except DA makes an exception for national team players. No ODP, no club, no national team games under CIF rules (see Section 600 under the bylaws). Yet, we are making this about kids playing DA? You also seem confused about the HS soccer season. Depending on what part of the country you are in, HS season could be a different season. That's why ECNL has so many showcases so it accommodate the different HS seasons.

And yes, some players rather play DA (or on any club team) than play HS. In HS, you have no choice regarding your coach or teammates. Some coaches and teammates are awful, which is 4 years of misery. It's worse in HS when kids are so click-ish and you have upperclasswomen who can be petty. I've had some love HS teams, and others hate HS teams. It's far from Disneyland.
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Don't know the rules, but something tells me they can be worked out. With regards to rather playing DA or high school don’t take my word for it just ask every national team player and all college players before DA came along if they would have elected to forego playing high school ball in order to train more with their club team? I’ll put some money on that one.
 
as I have said many times - not every player and not every high school soccer team is the same. Some top elite players have the best time playing for their high school team and wouldn't miss it while others hate it. Some leagues are competitive and play decent soccer and some are a hatchet jobs.
 
Soccer43 said:
as I have said many times - not every player and not every high school soccer team is the same. Some top elite players have the best time playing for their high school team and wouldn't miss it while others hate it. Some leagues are competitive and play decent soccer and some are a hatchet jobs.
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Playing high school has little to do with the level of play, it’s almost ALL about the social aspect.
 
Justafan said:
Playing high school has little to do with the level of play, it’s almost ALL about the social aspect.
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Yes, I agree but some teams are terrible and others have a decent level of play so it can still be fun for the stronger players. Regardless of the social benefit, if the level of play falls below a standard it is not fun
 
Simisoccerfan said:
I hesitate to post this since I know how some people respond on this forum but my dd hurt her knee last week on the same day she signed her NLI. She is the sweetest, hardest working girl and I have been sick to my stomach these past few days. She spoke to her college coach before turning in the NLI (since that is the right thing to do) and they told her not to worry. They hope for the best but either way they are happy to have her. MRI was done today and it will be a few days until we know the results. You can hate on me all you want but please send positive thoughts her way.
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Nothing but the best of luck and speedy recovery for your daughter. Just sit back now and be positive for your daughter and know she will be fine. My DD will graduate college in May and it really feels like yesterday she graduated HS.
 
Update. Torn ACL and partially torn meniscus. We will know the surgery date tomorrow. dd is in good spirits. College coaches have been great and very supportive. Dr says she will be out 4 to 9 months depending on how her training goes. She will be at college for summer school starting in June and their medical/training staff will guide her recovery.
 
MarkM said:
You are aware that even if DA changed the rule, CIF prevents DA players from competing in CIF. That's what makes this thread so ridiculous. CIF has the same rule as DA, except DA makes an exception for national team players. No ODP, no club, no national team games under CIF rules (see Section 600 under the bylaws). Yet, we are making this about kids playing DA? You also seem confused about the HS soccer season. Depending on what part of the country you are in, HS season could be a different season. That's why ECNL has so many showcases so it accommodate the different HS seasons.

And yes, some players rather play DA (or on any club team) than play HS. In HS, you have no choice regarding your coach or teammates. Some coaches and teammates are awful, which is 4 years of misery. It's worse in HS when kids are so click-ish and you have upperclasswomen who can be petty. I've had some love HS teams, and others hate HS teams. It's far from Disneyland.
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What you wrote is not correct.

CIF - Southern Section (and the others) prohibits players competing on a HS team from "competing" in the same sport during the HS season for that sport, which means HS aged players cannot play on Rec, Club, ODP, ECNL, DA, etc. The DA prohibits DA players from competing on a HS team while rostered on the DA team, unless a waiver is given by the DA.

The DA does not go on break during the HS season (like club soccer), thus, active DA players have to be released from their DA team to play HS and under the DA rules, cannot rejoin the team until the following season.

The CIF has no rules preventing DA players from playing HS, except the general prohibition against competing on an outside team during the HS season.
 
MWN said:
What you wrote is not correct.

CIF - Southern Section (and the others) prohibits players competing on a HS team from "competing" in the same sport during the HS season for that sport, which means HS aged players cannot play on Rec, Club, ODP, ECNL, DA, etc. The DA prohibits DA players from competing on a HS team while rostered on the DA team, unless a waiver is given by the DA.

The DA does not go on break during the HS season (like club soccer), thus, active DA players have to be released from their DA team to play HS and under the DA rules, cannot rejoin the team until the following season.

The CIF has no rules preventing DA players from playing HS, except the general prohibition against competing on an outside team during the HS season.
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DA is a 10-month season. CIF is a 3-4 month season. Both DA and CIF prevent players from competing in outside competition during their seasons. If you are making some distinction about whether a player is technically rostered or released in DA, I think you are missing the point.
 
I advise anyone with an aspiring college player to get them in the habit now of good nutrition and taking care of their body. Not to mention serious study habits. Without a solid foundation in those areas the grind of all that college soccer entails will absolutely breakdown even the best players. Start the preparation early. Those things can be the difference between a positive and negative experience. Preparation in those areas allows a player to hit the ground running. The fact that many of the best female players are also excellent students is not a coincidence.

Good luck and great health to all of the amazing young players out there looking to play on the next level.
 
Not sure if this has been touched upon recently, but I hear that further changes for recruitment guidelines will be voted on at the next NCAA meeting in April, including doing away with verbal commitments and any communication (either directly with player or via club coach) until junior year. Anyone have more information?
 
dejong21 said:
Not sure if this has been touched upon recently, but I hear that further changes for recruitment guidelines will be voted on at the next NCAA meeting in April, including doing away with verbal commitments and any communication (either directly with player or via club coach) until junior year. Anyone have more information?
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I don't know about the verbal commitment part, but they are essentially eliminating communications with recruits until June 15 after sophomore year. Players will not be able to contact coaches. Coaches will be able to contact recruits starting June 15 (instead of waiting until September under the current rules). This would seem to eliminate the possibility of verbal commitments until after sophomore year.

I'm sure there are some exceptions to the limitation on communications. Maybe communications during camps? Or recruiting inquiry forms?

Anyone else with more insight?
 
Glen said:
I don't know about the verbal commitment part, but they are essentially eliminating communications with recruits until June 15 after sophomore year. Players will not be able to contact coaches. Coaches will be able to contact recruits starting June 15 (instead of waiting until September under the current rules). This would seem to eliminate the possibility of verbal commitments until after sophomore year.

I'm sure there are some exceptions to the limitation on communications. Maybe communications during camps? Or recruiting inquiry forms?

Anyone else with more insight?
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It will not eliminate the ability to commit early, but you're correct on the communication part. Ultimately if a recruit can't communicate with a coaching staff, in theory it will deter any further planned early commits.
 
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