Rant: League fracturing is asinine

Thanks for sharing your experience. I hope your son has a coach who is positive and he's getting touches and development. At the end of the day that's what really matters. The choices for a team that wants to stay local and build are really complicated in this landscape.
This is the silver lining (although perhaps we might say somewhat tarnished silver): his coach is reasonable, and appreciates him, and while not entirely positive, I think will push him to get better over the season. He is currently still getting development, although if they don't find alternatives ways to play competitive games, that might be an issue over the course of the season. I think we'll also certainly explore other options next year, unless something changes dramatically between now and then; the best coach in the world can't compensate for not getting competitive game experience, and I cannot image most of the kids (and parents) not being frustrated after this season, given the "best case scenario" for the club next year is only EA (which has the exact same problems). I image the club teams will see significant attrition next year.

Maybe we'll go back to AYSO Extra, and focus on other things; also an option. I like my son's current coach, but not enough to pay $6k+ for another year of essentially just regular practice sessions, and that's all a club with only access to EA/EA2 seems to be capable of providing, given the quality of clubs and teams in those leagues. That's my current perspective, anyway.
 
By AYSO I really mean AP classes. ;)
If he isn’t good enough for first tier leagues, he should just focus on school.
If he’s aiming for top programs school isn’t enough anymore. You have to excel in whatever it is you want to do. The competition for creative writers to get into Iowa young writers or future doctors to get hospital candystripper positions is insane.
This is the silver lining (although perhaps we might say somewhat tarnished silver): his coach is reasonable, and appreciates him, and while not entirely positive, I think will push him to get better over the season. He is currently still getting development, although if they don't find alternatives ways to play competitive games, that might be an issue over the course of the season. I think we'll also certainly explore other options next year, unless something changes dramatically between now and then; the best coach in the world can't compensate for not getting competitive game experience, and I cannot image most of the kids (and parents) not being frustrated after this season, given the "best case scenario" for the club next year is only EA (which has the exact same problems). I image the club teams will see significant attrition next year.

Maybe we'll go back to AYSO Extra, and focus on other things; also an option. I like my son's current coach, but not enough to pay $6k+ for another year of essentially just regular practice sessions, and that's all a club with only access to EA/EA2 seems to be capable of providing, given the quality of clubs and teams in those leagues. That's my current perspective, anyway.
Not playing high school? If not his attention is on the verge of being ripped elsewhere. Does extras even go u16?
 
If he’s aiming for top programs school isn’t enough anymore. You have to excel in whatever it is you want to do. The competition for creative writers to get into Iowa young writers or future doctors to get hospital candystripper positions is insane.

Not playing high school? If not his attention is on the verge of being ripped elsewhere. Does extras even go u16?
My son is playing club currently, and will play HS again in their season (U16 is 10th grade generally), but I have no delusions about him getting a college scholarship for soccer or anything. The top end for him, barring some massive unexpected surge in personal practice or something, is possible preference for admissions to a strong academic D3 school somewhere. That's my semi-realistic top-end benefit from all his club soccer training (in addition to his enjoyment of the game, etc.).
 
By AYSO I really mean AP classes. ;)
If he isn’t good enough for first tier leagues, he should just focus on school.
I think its a great thing to be a part of a team. And its great to be a part of your high school team. Part of the crazy here is parents somehow thinking there is a pro path.

Soccer club world rule of 3 best players move up and on, and the 3 lowest players get cut... Its a bit harsh but it also always happens.

Pro path - they will build a team around 1 player! So he can play and get them touches!
 
I think its a great thing to be a part of a team. And its great to be a part of your high school team. Part of the crazy here is parents somehow thinking there is a pro path.

Soccer club world rule of 3 best players move up and on, and the 3 lowest players get cut... Its a bit harsh but it also always happens.

Pro path - they will build a team around 1 player! So he can play and get them touches!
Unfortunately with pay to play coaches often play favorites and get involved with team politics. Also with girls "best" and "worst" is highly subjective.
 
Two years ago I tried to recruit an AYSO United goalie to our team. The mom was like she likes the coach and coach told her they will be in EA next year. This year EA is flight 3 (a C team league) and Athletic SC is still in SoCal and still doing halftime snacks.
Yeah, but halftime snacks are awesome!!!
 
I know it's been said before (numerous times), but we're well past the point where US Soccer needs to step in and obliterate all this idiocy with respect to different fractured leagues.

My son plays BU16. Currently his team is in EA2. There are rules for EA/EA2 (and SoCal, and presumably most of the other leagues) which prevent cross-league play for most players. Currently, these are the major fall leagues for BU16 in SoCal, as far as I can tell:
- MLSN-HD
- MLSN-AD
- EA
- EA2
- ECNL
- ECNL-RL
- ECNL-RL Regional
- N1L, with 4x divisions
- SoCal League, with 4x regions, and 3x divisions
- PSSLU
- SWSL

Almost every single league is all over the map, in terms of team levels. The EA2 league alone ranges from Top 15 in the state, to equivalent of SoCal Flight 3, and this is not an anomaly. This make competition levels absurd and unbalanced, and for absolutely no good reason, other than the competing pathways, club priorities, and walled gardens the leagues have created and propagated.

Having 10+ leagues would be acceptable, in concept, if there was a hard and enforced rule that leagues could not prohibit cross-league player participation. This might lead to a lot of league forfeits and scheduling issues, but at least in that scenario, kids could get playing time in competitive games. The current status quo is utterly ridiculous, though: teams which are at vastly different skill levels are being forced to play each other, just to satisfy arbitrary divisions in competition groupings, just because all the league operators want to "win", at the expense of the kids and the sport itself.

The only real cross-league competition happens at tournaments, which are expensive and often travel-heavy. Truly, is this the best US Soccer can do? Or are they just completely asleep at the wheel here? As a parent, this is immensely frustrating (and I'm not even considering other concerns here, such as practice squad players on high-end teams, etc.). How has soccer become

I know it's been said before (numerous times), but we're well past the point where US Soccer needs to step in and obliterate all this idiocy with respect to different fractured leagues.

My son plays BU16. Currently his team is in EA2. There are rules for EA/EA2 (and SoCal, and presumably most of the other leagues) which prevent cross-league play for most players. Currently, these are the major fall leagues for BU16 in SoCal, as far as I can tell:
- MLSN-HD
- MLSN-AD
- EA
- EA2
- ECNL
- ECNL-RL
- ECNL-RL Regional
- N1L, with 4x divisions
- SoCal League, with 4x regions, and 3x divisions
- PSSLU
- SWSL

Almost every single league is all over the map, in terms of team levels. The EA2 league alone ranges from Top 15 in the state, to equivalent of SoCal Flight 3, and this is not an anomaly. This make competition levels absurd and unbalanced, and for absolutely no good reason, other than the competing pathways, club priorities, and walled gardens the leagues have created and propagated.

Having 10+ leagues would be acceptable, in concept, if there was a hard and enforced rule that leagues could not prohibit cross-league player participation. This might lead to a lot of league forfeits and scheduling issues, but at least in that scenario, kids could get playing time in competitive games. The current status quo is utterly ridiculous, though: teams which are at vastly different skill levels are being forced to play each other, just to satisfy arbitrary divisions in competition groupings, just because all the league operators want to "win", at the expense of the kids and the sport itself.

The only real cross-league competition happens at tournaments, which are expensive and often travel-heavy. Truly, is this the best US Soccer can do? Or are they just completely asleep at the wheel here? As a parent, this is immensely frustrating (and I'm not even considering other concerns here, such as practice squad players on high-end teams, etc.). How has soccer become this terrible?
The entire system is broken. Corporate Soccer has turned 90% of rec level soccer into a cash cow. If you aren’t playing in MLS Next, ECNL, or GA
I know it's been said before (numerous times), but we're well past the point where US Soccer needs to step in and obliterate all this idiocy with respect to different fractured leagues.

My son plays BU16. Currently his team is in EA2. There are rules for EA/EA2 (and SoCal, and presumably most of the other leagues) which prevent cross-league play for most players. Currently, these are the major fall leagues for BU16 in SoCal, as far as I can tell:
- MLSN-HD
- MLSN-AD
- EA
- EA2
- ECNL
- ECNL-RL
- ECNL-RL Regional
- N1L, with 4x divisions
- SoCal League, with 4x regions, and 3x divisions
- PSSLU
- SWSL

Almost every single league is all over the map, in terms of team levels. The EA2 league alone ranges from Top 15 in the state, to equivalent of SoCal Flight 3, and this is not an anomaly. This make competition levels absurd and unbalanced, and for absolutely no good reason, other than the competing pathways, club priorities, and walled gardens the leagues have created and propagated.

Having 10+ leagues would be acceptable, in concept, if there was a hard and enforced rule that leagues could not prohibit cross-league player participation. This might lead to a lot of league forfeits and scheduling issues, but at least in that scenario, kids could get playing time in competitive games. The current status quo is utterly ridiculous, though: teams which are at vastly different skill levels are being forced to play each other, just to satisfy arbitrary divisions in competition groupings, just because all the league operators want to "win", at the expense of the kids and the sport itself.

The only real cross-league competition happens at tournaments, which are expensive and often travel-heavy. Truly, is this the best US Soccer can do? Or are they just completely asleep at the wheel here? As a parent, this is immensely frustrating (and I'm not even considering other concerns here, such as practice squad players on high-end teams, etc.). How has soccer become this terrible?
It’s Corporate Soccer. MLS Next, ECNL, and GA should be the only leagues for travel soccer. Everything else should be back to open regional leagues with proper flight assignments. There are no flight 1 older teams in SoCal anymore because kids are getting duped into playing the 2nd, 3rd, 4th tier leagues associated with the top leagues, complete with the cost and the travel. It’s all a money grab, trying to funnel as many players into the league bucket. Club Directors are never going to kill their golden goose by breaking their stranglehold on leagues. The quality is terrible. At least shouldn’t it be a requirement to have A licensed coaches on top teams? There are club directors who don’t even have a B or C license dictating this mess. It’s all become a joke.

Enter flag football. Within 5 years kids will be getting scholarships to play flag football in college and soccer will die on its self inflicted withering vine.
 
The entire system is broken. Corporate Soccer has turned 90% of rec level soccer into a cash cow. If you aren’t playing in MLS Next, ECNL, or GA

It’s Corporate Soccer. MLS Next, ECNL, and GA should be the only leagues for travel soccer. Everything else should be back to open regional leagues with proper flight assignments. There are no flight 1 older teams in SoCal anymore because kids are getting duped into playing the 2nd, 3rd, 4th tier leagues associated with the top leagues, complete with the cost and the travel. It’s all a money grab, trying to funnel as many players into the league bucket. Club Directors are never going to kill their golden goose by breaking their stranglehold on leagues. The quality is terrible. At least shouldn’t it be a requirement to have A licensed coaches on top teams? There are club directors who don’t even have a B or C license dictating this mess. It’s all become a joke.

Enter flag football. Within 5 years kids will be getting scholarships to play flag football in college and soccer will die on its self inflicted withering vine.
Girls college flag football programs are handing out scholorships like crazy right now. Its literally can you throw catch and do you have a pulse? Yes? Ok, heres a scholorship.

Makes you feel like a chump when you think about how hard and how many hoops soccer players go through just to get noticed.
 
The entire system is broken. Corporate Soccer has turned 90% of rec level soccer into a cash cow. If you aren’t playing in MLS Next, ECNL, or GA

It’s Corporate Soccer. MLS Next, ECNL, and GA should be the only leagues for travel soccer. Everything else should be back to open regional leagues with proper flight assignments. There are no flight 1 older teams in SoCal anymore because kids are getting duped into playing the 2nd, 3rd, 4th tier leagues associated with the top leagues, complete with the cost and the travel. It’s all a money grab, trying to funnel as many players into the league bucket. Club Directors are never going to kill their golden goose by breaking their stranglehold on leagues. The quality is terrible. At least shouldn’t it be a requirement to have A licensed coaches on top teams? There are club directors who don’t even have a B or C license dictating this mess. It’s all become a joke.

Enter flag football. Within 5 years kids will be getting scholarships to play flag football in college and soccer will die on its self inflicted withering vine.
The time and money to secure an A license is brutal. If you required an A license for all the top teams in the highest leagues (MLSN for boys, ECNL for girls) first of all you'd increase the demand which means the cost of those teams go way up, OR you have to water down the requirements for an A license. Also because of the time in club requirements basically the only people with these positions would be middle aged men.

I'm also wondering if you feel this way why draw the line where you did. You can make it even more restrictive: MLSN for the boys, ECNL for the girls. By introducing the MLSN/ECNL both in top tier for the boys you have two very conflicting philosophies: one which is there to serve the needs to the academies, a second which breaks for high school and is mostly collegiate driven (but increasingly unsuccessful at the d1 level due to the influx of international players).
 
I know it's been said before (numerous times), but we're well past the point where US Soccer needs to step in and obliterate all this idiocy with respect to different fractured leagues.

My son plays BU16. Currently his team is in EA2. There are rules for EA/EA2 (and SoCal, and presumably most of the other leagues) which prevent cross-league play for most players. Currently, these are the major fall leagues for BU16 in SoCal, as far as I can tell:
- MLSN-HD
- MLSN-AD
- EA
- EA2
- ECNL
- ECNL-RL
- ECNL-RL Regional
- N1L, with 4x divisions
- SoCal League, with 4x regions, and 3x divisions
- PSSLU
- SWSL

Almost every single league is all over the map, in terms of team levels. The EA2 league alone ranges from Top 15 in the state, to equivalent of SoCal Flight 3, and this is not an anomaly. This make competition levels absurd and unbalanced, and for absolutely no good reason, other than the competing pathways, club priorities, and walled gardens the leagues have created and propagated.

Having 10+ leagues would be acceptable, in concept, if there was a hard and enforced rule that leagues could not prohibit cross-league player participation. This might lead to a lot of league forfeits and scheduling issues, but at least in that scenario, kids could get playing time in competitive games. The current status quo is utterly ridiculous, though: teams which are at vastly different skill levels are being forced to play each other, just to satisfy arbitrary divisions in competition groupings, just because all the league operators want to "win", at the expense of the kids and the sport itself.

The only real cross-league competition happens at tournaments, which are expensive and often travel-heavy. Truly, is this the best US Soccer can do? Or are they just completely asleep at the wheel here? As a parent, this is immensely frustrating (and I'm not even considering other concerns here, such as practice squad players on high-end teams, etc.). How has soccer become this terrible?

I actually think it's caused by things that normally make this country great.

First, we’re huge. The geography alone makes everything harder. Once a league gets big enough to call itself “national,” suddenly national showcases and tournaments necessitate travel, and 12-year-olds are flying across the country to play soccer. And because different regions are so far apart, fragmentation becomes almost inevitable.

Second, we’re incredibly entrepreneurial. We don’t just accept what’s given to us. That's not what us Americans do. If someone looks at an existing system and thinks, “This sucks, I can build something better,” they go build something better.

Normally that’s one of America’s greatest strengths.

And as regular consumers, we usually want that. We want competition. We want choices. We don’t like monopolies because competition usually forces everyone to improve.

But youth soccer is weird because we aren’t just consumers. We’re also participants in the product itself.

10 leagues are splitting up the same finite pool of players and team... and that competition can actually make the product worse. The thing we’re “buying” is good competition, and every time you fracture the player pool, you dilute the very thing everyone is looking for.

That’s why I actually think youth soccer may be one of the rare places where a more monopolistic approach would be better. I'm not saying no accountability and do whatever the heck they want but one broad structure where the best teams are actually in the same ecosystem and disagreements get worked out within that system instead of everybody creating a new league every 6 months...

ECNL vs MLS Next and high school soccer is kind of a perfect example. You can make a reasonable argument for either philosophy. The problem is that instead of everybody sitting under one umbrella and figuring out the best policy, we create competing umbrellas.

And that’s basically what keeps happening. One group builds a better league. Another group sees flaws in that league and builds another one. Then another. Then feeder leagues underneath those leagues. Everyone has a legitimate reason why their version is better, but at the end of the day all we’ve done is divide the same player pool and the same clubs into more and more separate ecosystems.

The irony is that by "solving one problem", we are massively diluting the player pool/teams and fracturing the previous league and now teams within that league are farther apart... and it's worse for everyone...
 
I actually think it's caused by things that normally make this country great.

First, we’re huge. The geography alone makes everything harder. Once a league gets big enough to call itself “national,” suddenly national showcases and tournaments necessitate travel, and 12-year-olds are flying across the country to play soccer. And because different regions are so far apart, fragmentation becomes almost inevitable.

Second, we’re incredibly entrepreneurial. We don’t just accept what’s given to us. That's not what us Americans do. If someone looks at an existing system and thinks, “This sucks, I can build something better,” they go build something better.

Normally that’s one of America’s greatest strengths.

And as regular consumers, we usually want that. We want competition. We want choices. We don’t like monopolies because competition usually forces everyone to improve.

But youth soccer is weird because we aren’t just consumers. We’re also participants in the product itself.

10 leagues are splitting up the same finite pool of players and team... and that competition can actually make the product worse. The thing we’re “buying” is good competition, and every time you fracture the player pool, you dilute the very thing everyone is looking for.

That’s why I actually think youth soccer may be one of the rare places where a more monopolistic approach would be better. I'm not saying no accountability and do whatever the heck they want but one broad structure where the best teams are actually in the same ecosystem and disagreements get worked out within that system instead of everybody creating a new league every 6 months...

ECNL vs MLS Next and high school soccer is kind of a perfect example. You can make a reasonable argument for either philosophy. The problem is that instead of everybody sitting under one umbrella and figuring out the best policy, we create competing umbrellas.

And that’s basically what keeps happening. One group builds a better league. Another group sees flaws in that league and builds another one. Then another. Then feeder leagues underneath those leagues. Everyone has a legitimate reason why their version is better, but at the end of the day all we’ve done is divide the same player pool and the same clubs into more and more separate ecosystems.

The irony is that by "solving one problem", we are massively diluting the player pool/teams and fracturing the previous league and now teams within that league are farther apart... and it's worse for everyone...
Love this post! One of the big problems is cost creep - its not really creeping its exploding as US Club and particular the powers that be in southern california are on a mission to exploit every license/tournament/etc for mad profits


Here's an example. All of the big park parking fees and tournement fees generate tremendous expense and profit. For youth soccer.
 
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