President Joe Biden

I don't think the who's who or number of groups is relevant, that's my point (and I can provide ample evidence of other left wing extremists that contributed to the violence). I could argue that far more acts of violence were committed by the left than the right, but that's irrelevant. I could also argue that on the whole Trump rally's were far more peaceful than BLM and Antifa protests...until they weren't. I could argue that the right responded immediately with law and order, while the left refused to when their constituents rioted. Those arguments are unproductive to resolving the problem of mob violence and political unrest. We have to stop fighting on that hill of whose violence is less heinous, or "more justified". We have to stop pretending there is some gray area of political violence, because there is not.

Maybe some Republicans are fighting for the votes of white nationalists, Qanon or right wing militias, I don't see that based on the almost universal condemnation from the Republicans of the violence (I'm excluding those that "condemned" with a wink and a nod).

Ok, so you're more concerned about mob violence as oppose to extremists viewpoints? So for example, someone rioting because they've hit a breaking point on police brutality (whether they're right or wrong) is a bigger concern than say someone that believes in white supremacy/nationalism but is generally peaceful?

I'm not trying to start an argument here. I'm genuinely trying to understand.
 
I guess my point can be summed up be this part of the article I posted:

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Looking at the subset of protests in which demonstrators did not engage in any violence, vandalism, or looting, law enforcement officers were about 3.5 times more likely to use force against leftwing protests than rightwing protests, with about 1.8% of peaceful leftwing protests and only half a percent of peaceful rightwing protests met with teargas, rubber bullets or other force from law enforcement.

“Police are not just engaging more because [leftwing protesters] are more violent. They’re engaging more even with peaceful protesters,” Dr Roudabeh Kishi, ACLED’s director of research and innovation, told the Guardian. “That’s the clear trend.”
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Is the issue that police were instigating things or the other way around? It's not clear to me.
Some police/ex-military personnel are either already white supremacists or have been approached by/recruited by the oath keepers or similar militia groups and radicalized. They come in with a chip on their shoulder.
 
Ok, so you're more concerned about mob violence as oppose to extremists viewpoints? So for example, someone rioting because they've hit a breaking point on police brutality (whether they're right or wrong) is a bigger concern than say someone that believes in white supremacy/nationalism but is generally peaceful?

I'm not trying to start an argument here. I'm genuinely trying to understand.
I consider mob violence and extremists viewpoints essentially the same. Extremist viewpoints often leads to violence. In some cases viewpoints of groups may not appear to be extreme on their face, but leads to some members taking it to the extreme by inciting violence. I will say that I grew up with a few concepts repeated by my parents "Sticks and stones will break your bones but names will never hurt me", "The golden rule" and "Mind your own beeswax". I also grew up with "If you have nothing good to say, don't say it", unfortunately, I don't always comply with that one depending on the circumstances. While those phrases may seem trite they've worked well for me through my lifetime, although I often times think were an upside down and backwards world these days. I don't believe I can change the world, but I do believe I can help my my community with substantive actions and that's where I put my efforts.

I don't want to debate BLM, what type of group it is, is irrelevant to my point. I will only say that my opinion of BLM is consistent with the Premier League's opinion of BLM.
 
If you help a drug dealer and use your home to do it, you waive your right to defend your home against police officers doing their jobs. If you shoot at them, you waive your right to continue breathing.

Maybe you should google the transcripts of her phone calls with the piece of shit when he was in jail. She wasn’t innocent of anything.

You have any other names of innocent criminals?

The police got a no-knock warrant to find Glover, drugs, and money, citing a tip from an unnamed postal inspector. At the time of serving the warrant and killing Taylor and wounding her boyfriend, Glover had already been arrested. No drugs or money or packages addressed to Glover were found in the apartment. The local postal inspector's office denied any knowledge of a tip to police about packages sent to Glover.

 
The police got a no-knock warrant to find Glover, drugs, and money, citing a tip from an unnamed postal inspector. At the time of serving the warrant and killing Taylor and wounding her boyfriend, Glover had already been arrested. No drugs or money or packages addressed to Glover were found in the apartment. The local postal inspector's office denied any knowledge of a tip to police about packages sent to Glover.


They served half a dozen warrants that day. They wanted to talk to her about her involvement, which was significant. They didn’t go there to shoot her. Witnesses heard police announce themselves, her boyfriend shot first and she paid the price. The local postal guy isn’t relevant in any way. Police have her drug dealer boyfriend admitting to having shit sent to her home.

Police have transcripts of phone calls between them talking about her hiding him and holding his drug money. The media won’t volunteer that but, if it’s facts you seek, look it up. All in black and white. You same source, WDRB, has those same details.

If it’s innocent black lives taken that concerns you, it’s easy to find names. They die, at the the hands of black shooters, anywhere between 25 to 30 per weekend in Chicago alone. Your source, WDRB, has that too.
 
I consider mob violence and extremists viewpoints essentially the same. Extremist viewpoints often leads to violence. In some cases viewpoints of groups may not appear to be extreme on their face, but leads to some members taking it to the extreme by inciting violence. I will say that I grew up with a few concepts repeated by my parents "Sticks and stones will break your bones but names will never hurt me", "The golden rule" and "Mind your own beeswax". I also grew up with "If you have nothing good to say, don't say it", unfortunately, I don't always comply with that one depending on the circumstances. While those phrases may seem trite they've worked well for me through my lifetime, although I often times think were an upside down and backwards world these days. I don't believe I can change the world, but I do believe I can help my my community with substantive actions and that's where I put my efforts.

I don't want to debate BLM, what type of group it is, is irrelevant to my point. I will only say that my opinion of BLM is consistent with the Premier League's opinion of BLM.

It appears that the Premier League's opinion of BLM is that it is a political organization. They are continuing with the "no room for racism" campaign. "The league says the initiative 'will build on the momentum created last season' in which all EPL players bore a BLM logo on their jerseys the last few weeks of the season in response to the murder of George Floyd.

“We’re drawing a clear distinction between a moral cause and a political movement.”

 
They served half a dozen warrants that day. They wanted to talk to her about her involvement, which was significant. They didn’t go there to shoot her. Witnesses heard police announce themselves, her boyfriend shot first and she paid the price. The local postal guy isn’t relevant in any way. Police have her drug dealer boyfriend admitting to having shit sent to her home.

Police have transcripts of phone calls between them talking about her hiding him and holding his drug money. The media won’t volunteer that but, if it’s facts you seek, look it up. All in black and white. You same source, WDRB, has those same details.

If it’s innocent black lives taken that concerns you, it’s easy to find names. They die, at the the hands of black shooters, anywhere between 25 to 30 per weekend in Chicago alone. Your source, WDRB, has that too.

Links?
 
They served half a dozen warrants that day. They wanted to talk to her about her involvement, which was significant. They didn’t go there to shoot her. Witnesses heard police announce themselves, her boyfriend shot first and she paid the price. The local postal guy isn’t relevant in any way. Police have her drug dealer boyfriend admitting to having shit sent to her home.

Police have transcripts of phone calls between them talking about her hiding him and holding his drug money. The media won’t volunteer that but, if it’s facts you seek, look it up. All in black and white. You same source, WDRB, has those same details.

If it’s innocent black lives taken that concerns you, it’s easy to find names. They die, at the the hands of black shooters, anywhere between 25 to 30 per weekend in Chicago alone. Your source, WDRB, has that too.

They knew where she lived; they knew where she worked. The only way they could have a conversation was to break, down her door in the middle of the night?
 
This is an interesting write up:

One sided and doesn't provide the reader with an unbiased presentation. Statistically he is correct and I don't disagree that most protests were peaceful. But he, or they, don't address the millions of dollars in cost that did occur, or address the impact of lost businesses, and the impacts to those people.

Just another exam

Stop it - mostly peaceful.
 
David Dorn was a black cop killed, by black rioters, defending some businesses during BLM riots. He’s not a heroic darling of the media, though, like George Floyd or Jacob Blake. Good guys don’t sell news these days.

David Dorn was a RETIRED, 77 year old cop. And you're incorrect that he wasn't a "media darling" - I certainly knew about the incident.

The fact is that there was one (1) police officer killed during the entirety of the 2020 race-related riots. And that one (1) police officer was killed by a MAGA supporter.

And there was one (1) police officer killed during the 2021 MAGA insurrection riot. Again, that police officer was killed by multiple MAGA supporters. There was also a second police officer who took his own life following the 2021 MAGA insurrection riot, whose death the DC police attributed to the 2021 MAGA insurrection riot, but let's leave that aside for now.

If there's a point here, it would appear to be that, because there are only two (2) known instances where rioters killed a police officer between 2020 race riots and 2021 MAGA insurrection riots, and in BOTH of those incidents, MAGAts were the ones that murdered the police officers, then it is incorrect for MAGA supporters to argue that "just as many police officers were killed by 2020 race rioters and the media ignored it."

But I wasn't trying to make a point. I was legitimately curious if the MAGAts had any facts to substantiate the argument.
 
It appears that the Premier League's opinion of BLM is that it is a political organization. They are continuing with the "no room for racism" campaign. "The league says the initiative 'will build on the momentum created last season' in which all EPL players bore a BLM logo on their jerseys the last few weeks of the season in response to the murder of George Floyd.

“We’re drawing a clear distinction between a moral cause and a political movement.”

The EPL was not comfortable with some of the BLM organizations policies including defund the police. My sentiments exactly.
 
You forgot to include the thousands of incidents involving people who’ve been murdered by both police and private citizens based on the color of their skin or sexual orientation. You have missed the millions of incidents in which people have been deprived of equal employment, housing and educational opportunity because of their skin color.

Seriously, the lengths to which magats will go to rationalize and defend what happened last Wed is insane. Look, here are examples to prove black people are bad, so it’s ok to overthrow the government!
I'm so happy that you are out there looking out for us black folks. I suppose since you are in such lock step solidarity with us, I'll let it slide that the majority of poverty stricken black Americans reside in Liberal strongholds. Keep telling us to wait for you and the government to lift us up out of poverty , provide me opportunity. Fool me once, fool me twice...well, keep fooling me - I'll keep voting for you. Right?

So please, put down your magat shield, put on your "I'm here to help you black person" cape, float into Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, and help us. I can't wait. Please focus on Baltimore, they've had since 1967 to figure things out. Maybe take your playbook there and see if they will listen to you. I am hopeful for the future. The incoming administration has a wonderful track record of lifting up poor black folk. I mean, when a white guy tells you that you ain't black if you don't vote for him..that's serious stuff and proves that he's looking out..

I'm excited!!
 
I'm so happy that you are out there looking out for us black folks. I suppose since you are in such lock step solidarity with us, I'll let it slide that the majority of poverty stricken black Americans reside in Liberal strongholds. Keep telling us to wait for you and the government to lift us up out of poverty , provide me opportunity. Fool me once, fool me twice...well, keep fooling me - I'll keep voting for you. Right?

So please, put down your magat shield, put on your "I'm here to help you black person" cape, float into Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, and help us. I can't wait. Please focus on Baltimore, they've had since 1967 to figure things out. Maybe take your playbook there and see if they will listen to you. I am hopeful for the future. The incoming administration has a wonderful track record of lifting up poor black folk. I mean, when a white guy tells you that you ain't black if you don't vote for him..that's serious stuff and proves that he's looking out..

I'm excited!!

Herman Cain? I thought you were dead?
 
This guy is looking for a lawyer who believes that antifa was behind the Capitol riot. Does anyone have any suggestions?

The second informant said that Stager claimed he “did not know the man he was struck on the ground with the flagpole was a cop and that he thought the person he was striking was Antifa.”

The officer was easily identifiable, however, as he was wearing a uniform with the words “METROPOLITAN POLICE” across his back, prosecutors said.

 
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