President Joe Biden
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Hüsker Dü
DA
Are you people still attempting to deflect away from or excuse the behavior at the Capitol building with whataboutism and faux facts? A better tact might be to point out that the attack was planned and coordinated by extreme white supremacy militia groups and that many others simply were caught up in the frenzy. But you wouldn’t want to offend trumps core base now would you?
it is true that the people who participated in the blm protests in the spring/summer were “mostly peaceful”. It is also true that there was a large amount of looting and violence in the spring/summer and that hundreds of officers were hurt in the violence. It is also true that d politicians and media either indirectly encouraged the behavior (including the Vice President elect and the speaker) or did nothing to stop it or were late to condemning it (the president elect)
it is true that the trump protestors in washington were “mostly peaceful” and the majority of them did not enter the capitol and dispersed when ordered. It is also true that there were substantial numbers either in the capitol or pushing against the gates, that there were white supremacists among them and there were those among them that sought to do harm to legislators and/or overthrow the government. It is also true that trump told them to go home, that trump prior to the storming worked them up into a frenzy (though note for most of the protestors at his speech there was not enough time for them to reach the capitol frontlines unless they ran there or had autos ready) and that trump was late in telling them to go home.
Ps the rs only need 6-7 more votes and impeachment for the ds is on the table. There’s already enough on the table for Biden and harris for some rs to attempt it (not speaking to whether it’s justified) and every admin since Nixon has had something go askew. Every president from here on out is likely to be impeached but not removed when the house is controlled by the opposite party. It will become like a vote of no confidence without forcing a cabinet reorg
Yes that is what they are doing. It’s all about bigotry with magats. It s quite obvious that @MARsSPEED is rationalizing the attempted overthrough of the government because black people have protested inequality.
For every example of an incident of violence involving a police officer during a protest relating to oppression, there are hundreds of incidents involving blacks being hanged from trees, murdered by police and others due to their skin color, denied education and employment opportunities, denied the right to vote. Bit none of that is relevant to the despicable nature of what happened at the Capitol.
It’s fine that racist @MARsSPEED goes psycho here and spends the entire night finding examples of police being killed because it only makes him and his magat co-conspirators look more psycho, and it established quite clearly that his rationalizing the overthrow of the U.S. is driven in large part by bigotry.
I wonder if this is a chicken before the egg problem:
US police three times as likely to use force against leftwing protesters, data finds
Law enforcement responses to more than 13,000 protests show a clear disparity in responses, new statistics show
www.theguardian.com
You forgot to include the thousands of incidents involving people who’ve been murdered by both police and private citizens based on the color of their skin or sexual orientation. You have missed the millions of incidents in which people have been deprived of equal employment, housing and educational opportunity because of their skin color.
Seriously, the lengths to which magats will go to rationalize and defend what happened last Wed is insane. Look, here are examples to prove black people are bad, so it’s ok to overthrow the government!
The good news is magat @MARsSPEED has given us the go ahead to rationalize whatever horrific behavior we’d like based on something, anything, that happened in the past. So if you ever decide to burn down a liquor store or shoot a cop or graffiti a police station, you can feel justified and good about it because magats stormed our Capitol trying to overthrow the government and also beat a police officer to death with an American flag in the process. Or maybe @MARsSPEED is telling us to think bigger. Instead of simply protesting oppression, we should go for the brass ring and overthrow the entire government, is that you’re telling us @MARsSPEED? It’s ok to overthrow the U.S. government but not protest cops murdering people based on their skin color?
Of course, I’m guessing @MARsSPEED actually thinks that’s what happened. That we socialists conspired with a long dead former south american dictator and a voting machine company to steal the election. Is that right @MARsSPEED?
I wonder if this is a chicken before the egg problem:
US police three times as likely to use force against leftwing protesters, data finds
Law enforcement responses to more than 13,000 protests show a clear disparity in responses, new statistics show
the vast majority of right wing protestors have been (until the capitol) of the side of police. Even in the capitol despite Some protestors being armed the vast majority dispersed when ordered. When the police tell them stop go home they generally did (as I wrote the morning of the capitol I dont think they are aligned anymore and I worried when that split happen there would be violence similar to the cop-left violence we saw in spring)
the blm/Antifa protests were anti-cop. Further at the beginning they took place at a time when there were lockdown rules being broken (it besides politicians cheating were the 1 factor that shattered the lockdown consensus)
up until now you didn’t see right protestors getting in cops faces telling them to die pig. I do think that’s starting the shift now. The right and police are no longer friends
Hüsker Dü
DA
An election that saw down ballot Republicans (the ones that distanced themselves from trump that is) do surprisingly well.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Since Election Day, a growing subset of Trump's followers have become increasingly radicalized by conspiracy theories that claim the 2020 presidential election was stolen due to widespread voter fraud.
The false claims, which originated on far-right forums and among prominent conspiracy theorists, have been repeatedly promoted by the president as well as other conservative lawmakers.
The misguided belief that democracy was crumbling before them ultimately led Trump's most ardent loyalists to breach the Capitol, resulting in the death of five people in the process. In reality, it was the group's actions that constituted the most substantial attack on democracy in modern memory.
The missing Pelosi laptop is the perfect cover for disinformation
Forged leaks are already appearing online, and many more may be coming.
www.dailydot.com
I guess my point can be summed up be this part of the article I posted:
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Looking at the subset of protests in which demonstrators did not engage in any violence, vandalism, or looting, law enforcement officers were about 3.5 times more likely to use force against leftwing protests than rightwing protests, with about 1.8% of peaceful leftwing protests and only half a percent of peaceful rightwing protests met with teargas, rubber bullets or other force from law enforcement.
“Police are not just engaging more because [leftwing protesters] are more violent. They’re engaging more even with peaceful protesters,” Dr Roudabeh Kishi, ACLED’s director of research and innovation, told the Guardian. “That’s the clear trend.”
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Is the issue that police were instigating things or the other way around? It's not clear to me.
its an easy explanation. The right and the police were largely aligned until now. The right isn’t screaming into their faces “die pig”. Some police at the capitol reportedly even stood aside. I don’t think that’s the case anymore. I also think size of rallies is probably a factor because the larger the more bad seeds you get. Husker does have a point: the election did radicalize the right.
I guess maybe a better way to phrase this is, the BLM protests were focused on police brutality, which put police on the defensive. I mean people don't just start yelling "die pig" for no reason. This makes sense.
You might want to check the WAPO database of police shootings before you make that statement. My apologies for letting facts get in the way of a good emotional argument.
The far right and the far left are equally responsible for threats to our democracy. While what each side did is optically different, they are not substantively different. Both were an extreme assault on democracy and the rule of law. Anyone who attempts to diminish, rationalize, or justify on the basis of subjective differences is part of the problem. This isn't about whataboutism, its about what objectively happened over the last year. Neither party can be defined by their extremes. I think most of us are moderates and lean a little left or a little right. Trump was a false prophet and needs to be treated as such. Can we not at least find common ground with the fact the Trump's rhetoric was reprehensible and that he doesn't deserve to hold the office of President? While I personally don't believe he should be hung in the public square (why make him a martyr), I do understand the sentiment to do so. As far as I'm concerned he was impeached by US Citizens on November 3, 2020.
Yours in futbol
SILVER
So based on what I assume is a comprehensive list, 1 officer was killed throughout the entirety of the 2020 riots.
And that 1 officer was killed by Dave Patrick Underwood, a MAGAt/bogoloo boy.
Is that correct?
Yours in futbol
SILVER
Edited:
That 1 officer was killed by Steven Carillo, a MAGAt/bogloo boy (who was responsible for at least one other police officer death in 2020).
Dave Patrick Underwood was the officer's name, not the MAGAt's name.
Glitterhater
SILVER ELITE
Why can't we just agree that there are ass faces on both sides? I am of the opinion that a shitty human is a shitty human, no matter their affiliation.