President Joe Biden

[Desert Hound]

Militias aren't pro trump, they are antigovernment. The hysteria that trump creates provides them space to operate more feely. Same goes for white nationalist, supremacists

Nobody is courting these groups.

From the SPLC to the FBI they estimate there may be 50k of them nationwide.

They make zero difference politically. Much of the press would have you believe they are far larger. They are not.

Robert Spencer the "leader" of purportedly one of the biggest groups can barely fill a small conference room in a hotel in DC each year for their "national conference".

The ADL estimates nationwide today that the clan (kkk) has about 3k members as another example.

 

[EOTL]

How much of a s**tbag must you be for Bill Belichick to refuse to accept the Presidential Medal of Freedom from you?

 

[NorCalDad]

How much of a s**tbag must you be for Bill Belichick to refuse to accept the Presidential Medal of Freedom from you?

You should probably ask Jim Jordan and Devin Nunes.

Of course Ellen got one under Obama....so there's that.

 

[happy9]

You call your insistence on a trump dictated narrative discussion? Lol!

-the man fascinates you.

 

[happy9]

Nobody is courting these groups.

From the SPLC to the FBI they estimate there may be 50k of them nationwide.

They make zero difference politically. Much of the press would have you believe they are far larger. They are not.

Robert Spencer the "leader" of purportedly one of the biggest groups can barely fill a small conference room in a hotel in DC each year for their "national conference".

The ADL estimates nationwide today that the clan (kkk) has about 3k members as another example.

It's a reason why the federal government doesn't have an appetite for openly confronting them. They are much more dangerous and better organized then their latte sipping counterparts on the other side of the fence. They are more are capable of creating a mass casualty event. We will see a larger federal presence over the next 3 weeks or so at critical locations throughout the country. But that will be it. The NG boys and girls will go back to their weekday jobs soon after.

 

[whatithink]

The silencing of voices by tech is a huge issue. Right now most are not thinking through the implications.

"The Chinese government restricts free speech on the internet, but big tech companies in the US are now so powerful -- and colluding -- that they have created monopolies which dictate which online speech is allowed. It should terrify anyone who cares about the marketplace of ideas.

In other words, the first amendment jurisprudence of the United States is predicated on the government not prohibiting speech. But the Internet has created such powerful companies that their power to restrict speech is now more all encompassing than the US government's.

This shouldnt be a partisan issue at all. The marketplace of ideas allows fringe ideas to win the battle of minds. Its how our country evolves. Many liberal & conservative thoughts that are now ascendant were once fringe minority positions. Stifling that debate makes us China."

I agree with the principles of this, but as private companies they can restrict what they want basically.

Put it this way, the US government telling US private companies what they can and cannot do, would also be akin to China telling companies there what they can and cannot do. That's the other side of that coin so to speak.

Private companies restricting content is not a 1st amendment issue. You or I don't have the right to post whatever we want here, for example. We have the right to post whatever Dominic is prepared to tolerate. If he decides to ban either of us, he's not restricting our 1st amendment rights. Twitter, Facebook etc. are just mega scales larger.

There's a much wider ripple effect starting to show. Companies are pulling back on donations, Hallmark are even asking for money back. Halsey's book not be published (nobody has the right to have their book published, so again not a 1st amendment right as he's said and as he knows, but hey, stir that pot). The real estate company selling/leasing T'd Washington property have pulled. The PGA pulled their tournament. Parler suddenly finding that nobody wants them - those companies are basically deciding the commercials are not there. Or how about Cumulus Media who broadcast the right wing talk shows telling them what to say, have they previously , where's the outrage about that?

It is concerning that the Tech companies have this amount of "power" though. But then again, we gave it to them and we ensure they retain it by continuing to use their services.

 

[watfly]

Neither occurred, the country is divided, and he will leave as the worst president ever.

Personally, I'd give it to Carter for Stagflation and the Ayatollah to name a few, but Trump's inciting insurrection certainly qualifies for worst behavior.

I could give Carter best post president.

 

[EOTL]

I agree with the principles of this, but as private companies they can restrict what they want basically.

Put it this way, the US government telling US private companies what they can and cannot do, would also be akin to China telling companies there what they can and cannot do. That's the other side of that coin so to speak.

Private companies restricting content is not a 1st amendment issue. You or I don't have the right to post whatever we want here, for example. We have the right to post whatever Dominic is prepared to tolerate. If he decides to ban either of us, he's not restricting our 1st amendment rights. Twitter, Facebook etc. are just mega scales larger.

There's a much wider ripple effect starting to show. Companies are pulling back on donations, Hallmark are even asking for money back. Halsey's book not be published (nobody has the right to have their book published, so again not a 1st amendment right as he's said and as he knows, but hey, stir that pot). The real estate company selling/leasing T'd Washington property have pulled. The PGA pulled their tournament. Parler suddenly finding that nobody wants them - those companies are basically deciding the commercials are not there. Or how about Cumulus Media who broadcast the right wing talk shows telling them what to say, have they previously , where's the outrage about that?

It is concerning that the Tech companies have this amount of "power" though. But then again, we gave it to them and we ensure they retain it by continuing to use their services.

Understanding is an important step. Unfortunately, most of the Grace Karen Snowflake crowd here will continue to whine that the exercise of the 1st Amendment, free will and the free market “aren’t fair” when people use them in ways they don’t like. It is strange, but thoroughly enjoyable, that the people whining so much today all spent most of their lives proclaiming how awful government regulations are and how bigoty cake makers should be able to refuse service to anyone they want are now so upset about what they held so dearly. Instead, it turns out all of that was pretense. All they ever really believed was “gimme gimme gimme what I want, even if that means authoritarian government”.

 

[EOTL]

So much fun watching magats cry when they learn they’ve been put on the do not fly list because they’re domestic terrorists. How long until it sinks in that the federal government is only getting started with them? Do you think Don the Dung Pile has any clue what’s in store for him?

 

[Grace T.]

Personally, I'd give it to Carter for Stagflation and the Ayatollah to name a few, but Trump's inciting insurrection certainly qualifies for worst behavior.

I could give Carter best post president.

Wilson not only was a racist, he actively encouraged racism in the federal government and his endorsement of "Birth of a Nation" was instrumental in the second revival of the Klan.

Buchanan fiddled while the nation drifted into civil war.

Then there's Andrew Jackson who practically committed genocide against the Native Americans.

Trump's certainly up there though. Biden has the potential to be Lincoln (though so far he's talking a big unity, but little when it comes to curbing the excesses of his own party) through (quite literally) Buchanan.

 

[whatithink]

Wilson not only was a racist, he actively encouraged racism in the federal government and his endorsement of "Birth of a Nation" was instrumental in the second revival of the Klan.

Buchanan fiddled while the nation drifted into civil war.

Then there's Andrew Jackson who practically committed genocide against the Native Americans.

Trump's certainly up there though. Biden has the potential to be Lincoln (though so far he's talking a big unity, but little when it comes to curbing the excesses of his own party) through (quite literally) Buchanan.

The R's, or enough of them, have to want unity also. They have shown nothing in the last 12 years to suggest they are interested in that. Biden can go down that road, and needs to keep his disparate party together, for sure - and that won't be easy. But he can't do that if the R's behave like they have during every D presidency since the 90s.

Neither party is blameless. Both need to want some semblance of unity. Biden's 47 years, or whatever, in politics and given that he is a centrist are probably the two biggest things he has going for him. The country needs stability IMV.

 

[EOTL]

Wilson not only was a racist, he actively encouraged racism in the federal government and his endorsement of "Birth of a Nation" was instrumental in the second revival of the Klan.

Buchanan fiddled while the nation drifted into civil war.

Then there's Andrew Jackson who practically committed genocide against the Native Americans.

Trump's certainly up there though. Biden has the potential to be Lincoln (though so far he's talking a big unity, but little when it comes to curbing the excesses of his own party) through (quite literally) Buchanan.

I think you forgot to blame Bill Clinton for Wednesday’s insurrection. Or when you said Biden should be talking about his party’s excesses were you referring to Bill getting a BJ? I mean, I know how that’s an impeachable offense, while attempting to overthrow democracy and inciting an insurrection is not.

 

[watfly]

Wilson not only was a racist, he actively encouraged racism in the federal government and his endorsement of "Birth of a Nation" was instrumental in the second revival of the Klan.

Buchanan fiddled while the nation drifted into civil war
Then there's Andrew Jackson who practically committed genocide against the Native Americans.

Trump's certainly up there though. Biden has the potential to be Lincoln (though so far he's talking a big unity, but little when it comes to curbing the excesses of his own party) through (quite literally) Buchanan.

Thanks. I'm not that educated, I guess I was thinking in my lifetime, although I don't remember Lyndon B.

 

[EOTL]

The R's, or enough of them, have to want unity also. They have shown nothing in the last 12 years to suggest they are interested in that. Biden can go down that road, and needs to keep his disparate party together, for sure - and that won't be easy. But he can't do that if the R's behave like they have during every D presidency since the 90s.

Neither party is blameless. Both need to want some semblance of unity. Biden's 47 years, or whatever, in politics and given that he is a centrist are probably the two biggest things he has going for him. The country needs stability IMV.

When the ‘publicans vote to boot each and every insurrectionist out of Congress, we can talk. Until then, every single one of them gets to pay, except maybe that Romney fellow.

 

[Glitterhater]

I was today years old when I learned Pelosi was 80! Wow.

Did anyone else see that video of the Rep from Oregon opening (what seemed to be some side door,) and letting protestors file right in? It appears he was leaving, but literally- just let them right in.

I'd love to hear thoughts on that.

 

[whatithink]

Understanding is an important step. Unfortunately, most of the Grace Karen Snowflake crowd here will continue to whine that the exercise of the 1st Amendment, free will and the free market “aren’t fair” when people use them in ways they don’t like. It is strange, but thoroughly enjoyable, that the people whining so much today all spent most of their lives proclaiming how awful government regulations are and how bigoty cake makers should be able to refuse service to anyone they want are now so upset about what they held so dearly. Instead, it turns out all of that was pretense. All they ever really believed was “gimme gimme gimme what I want, even if that means authoritarian government”.

Yes, there is certainly an irony in R's wanting to restrict free enterprise and the market deciding what it wants to do because free enterprise and the market has decided they don't like what some R's are peddling.

 

[N00B]

Any chance we can keep this topic extremely active for the foreseeable future? It seems to be keeping EOTL in the right section... ‘off-topic’.

 

[Grace T.]

The R's, or enough of them, have to want unity also. They have shown nothing in the last 12 years to suggest they are interested in that. Biden can go down that road, and needs to keep his disparate party together, for sure - and that won't be easy. But he can't do that if the R's behave like they have during every D presidency since the 90s.

Neither party is blameless. Both need to want some semblance of unity. Biden's 47 years, or whatever, in politics and given that he is a centrist are probably the two biggest things he has going for him. The country needs stability IMV.

the problem with many of the lefts vision for unity (not saying it’s you necessarily) is that it often involves the rs having to give up disagreeing with the left. Obama did a lot of that which soured me on him. To their credit most of the rs opposed the election objections (Mitch’s speech was a masterpiece). Almost all of them have uniformly condemned the capitol violence. The left has yet to condemn Antifa, has in the last several days engaged in overreach, and has yet to condemn bad behavior in its own caucus (ranging from the Pelosi mask incident, kamalas office helping bail out Antifa rioters, Maxine waters inciting). I agree however both sides are awful.

 

[EOTL]

the problem with many of the lefts vision for unity (not saying it’s you necessarily) is that it often involves the rs having to give up disagreeing with the left. Obama did a lot of that which soured me on him. To their credit most of the rs opposed the election objections (Mitch’s speech was a masterpiece). Almost all of them have uniformly condemned the capitol violence. The left has yet to condemn Antifa, has in the last several days engaged in overreach, and has yet to condemn bad behavior in its own caucus (ranging from the Pelosi mask incident, kamalas office helping bail out Antifa rioters, Maxine waters inciting). I agree however both sides are awful.

Whataboutism. ‘publicans are no heroes for spending four years supporting the movement that led to an insurrection, when only one of them in all of Congress opposed any of the behavior that caused this to happen. With the exception of Mitt, there is not a single ‘publican who did not collaborate in the insurrection right up until it happened. Even now, ‘publicans are refusing to take any responsibility for anything that led to this and are, in fact, are blaming democrats for an attempted coup by them.

 

[NorCalDad]

the problem with many of the lefts vision for unity (not saying it’s you necessarily) is that it often involves the rs having to give up disagreeing with the left. Obama did a lot of that which soured me on him. To their credit most of the rs opposed the election objections (Mitch’s speech was a masterpiece). Almost all of them have uniformly condemned the capitol violence. The left has yet to condemn Antifa, has in the last several days engaged in overreach, and has yet to condemn bad behavior in its own caucus (ranging from the Pelosi mask incident, kamalas office helping bail out Antifa rioters, Maxine waters inciting). I agree however both sides are awful.

I would say the opposite is true as well, R's want D's to give up disagreeing as well. So much hypocrisy on both sides. Again, wish people focused on spotting the grifters, which is about 90% of all the politicians.

Mitch's speech was good....bit of a stretch in calling it a masterpiece.

 

[EOTL]

Any chance we can keep this topic extremely active for the foreseeable future? It seems to be keeping EOTL in the right section... ‘off-topic’.

In my defense, I did manage to run the hard core racists and covid denialists off, as well as @crush. If folks are going to talk civilly about soccer stuff in a soccer forum, I feel like my work here is mostly done. Wouldn’t you agree?