President Joe Biden

happy9 said:
You crack me up.. that's strong - Bring it. Coming from someone who will have absolutely no role in combating what may or may not happen.

The FBI screwed the pooch big time but they know that this threat isn't coming from your run of the mill trumper. Run of the mill trumpers are not real threats (well, except maybe to you). Far right groups have the skill set to temporarily overwhelm run of the mill law enforcement, wreak havoc, and kill people. They dislike government, doesn't matter who's in power. During the summer, it was this type of group that assassinated an FPS officer and ambushed, killed a santa cruz deputy, injury others. The details layout the skill sets these groups have.

The FBI knows better. Going against these groups requires resources. Generally speaking, there isn't much appetite for direct confrontation with them. We will see how the state governors react.
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Agree with you, and the fact that these groups have not been directly confronted on multiple occasions have given rise the the events on Wednesday, IMO. I would hope that this will now change. No group right/left/high/low etc. should be allowed to do as they wish, irrespective of how many guns they happen to have.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
You believe trump, obviously.
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Does your conspiracy theory include the idea that trump told multiple agencies to ignore intelligence and not plan appropriately for what should have been a slam dunk kind of a law enforcement day? Maybe the Q types are so pervasive in government that they simply opened the door and allowed their brethren in.

Or maybe they were just incompetent. Or confident in the measures they took.
 
whatithink said:
Agree with you, and the fact that these groups have not been directly confronted on multiple occasions have given rise the the events on Wednesday, IMO. I would hope that this will now change. No group right/left/high/low etc. should be allowed to do as they wish, irrespective of how many guns they happen to have.
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It's sticky and goes back decades. Federal law enforcement has a bad track record of confrontation - Ruby Ridge, Waco, there are others. This summer has certainly given rise to the idea of appeasement.
 
happy9 said:
maybe - your assessment is that the FBI, DHS, and other federal law enforcement agencies screwed the pooch because of trump and they will miraculously become more capable under biden? Agency track records are pretty non partisan, screwing up big while operating under different admins.
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Are you seriously defending the failure of the least competent president in history and a republican controlled senate by claiming that maybe democrats in the future might also let the Capitol be overrun?
 
happy9 said:
It's sticky and goes back decades. Federal law enforcement has a bad track record of confrontation - Ruby Ridge, Waco, there are others. This summer has certainly given rise to the idea of appeasement.
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Appeasement doesn't work. History shows it.

The Bundy standoff in 2014 was hailed as a victory for the extreme militia. The Oregon standoff in 2016 was also.

The more extreme militias are getting bolder and bolder.
 
happy9 said:
You crack me up.. that's strong - Bring it. Coming from someone who will have absolutely no role in combating what may or may not happen.

The FBI screwed the pooch big time but they know that this threat isn't coming from your run of the mill trumper. Run of the mill trumpers are not real threats (well, except maybe to you). Far right groups have the skill set to temporarily overwhelm run of the mill law enforcement, wreak havoc, and kill people. They dislike government, doesn't matter who's in power. During the summer, it was this type of group that assassinated an FPS officer and ambushed, killed a santa cruz deputy, injury others. The details layout the skill sets these groups have.

The FBI knows better. Going against these groups requires resources. Generally speaking, there isn't much appetite for direct confrontation with them. We will see how the state governors react.
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Sure coward. Let’s just let them hold out country hostage.

The only option is to root them out. There’s a decent chance we’ll be rid of a few of them on the 20th. And we’ve got years to pick them off one at a time as they hide, and s**tbags. like Bundy aren’t getting any more pardons. Ultimately, the best possible thing that can happen for the U.S. is for them to make martyrs out of more patriots like the Capitol police officer they beat to death with the American flag. Keep in mind that the lack of sympathy among the magats and appeasers here like Grace Karen is not indicative of America as a whole. There’s no better way to affect public sentiment. This is what you ‘publicans created, now do something other than appease and defend the frankenstein monster you created.

Remember “When the looting starts, the shooting starts”. It would be nice if the trumpanzees had brains and the worst of the bunch weren’t brainwashed traitors willing to murder people over lies about the election being stolen. It would also be helpful if the less egregious magats stopped being apologists. The mere fact that you and your complicit apologist friends keep defending them needs to change, and the only chance of that happening is if the worst of your kind murder enough people you care about for you to do something other than defend them.
 
whatithink said:
Appeasement doesn't work. History shows it.

The Bundy standoff in 2014 was hailed as a victory for the extreme militia. The Oregon standoff in 2016 was also.

The more extreme militias are getting bolder and bolder.
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The weakness shown in the Bundy Nevada standoff led to the Bundy Oregon standoff. That's what appeasement buys you.
 
EOTL said:
Sure coward. Let’s just let them hold out country hostage.

The only option is to root them out. There’s a decent chance we’ll be rid of a few of them on the 20th. And we’ve got years to pick them off one at a time as they hide, and s**tbags. like Bundy aren’t getting any more pardons. Ultimately, the best possible thing that can happen for the U.S. is for them to make martyrs out of more patriots like the Capitol police officer they beat to death with the American flag. Keep in mind that the lack of sympathy among the magats and appeasers here like Grace Karen is not indicative of America as a whole. There’s no better way to affect public sentiment. This is what you ‘publicans created, now do something other than appease and defend the frankenstein monster you created.

Remember “When the looting starts, the shooting starts”. It would be nice if the trumpanzees had brains and the worst of the bunch weren’t brainwashed traitors willing to murder people over lies about the election being stolen. It would also be helpful if the less egregious magats stopped being apologists. The mere fact that you and your complicit apologist friends keep defending them needs to change, and the only chance of that happening is if the worst of your kind murder enough people you care about for you to do something other than defend them.
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Why are your posts such white noise! You say absolutely nothing about everything. I'm beginning to think you are a bot, typing on a loop.

I agree with the idea that such groups need to be rooted out. What I'm also telling you is the track record for doing it is bad. Stay mounted on your mini horse though, ride high in the stirrups, keep your tiny shield and tiny lance straight. You can continue to think that the incoming administration is going to go on a crusade against far right wing groups. I wish they would - they won't. They'll get on with the business of running the country. It's likely that on FEB 1st, you will still be on here frothing at the mouth spewing your nonsense (along with others, on the opposite side of the fence from you).
 
Facebook is now moving up the Republican hierarchy, now limiting Ron Paul......they haven't taken on any of the big politicos (e.g., Rand Paul, Cruz, Hawley) or any of the big talking heads (e.g., Shapiro, Ingraham, Hannity, Carlson) yet.

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whatithink said:
Appeasement doesn't work. History shows it.

The Bundy standoff in 2014 was hailed as a victory for the extreme militia. The Oregon standoff in 2016 was also.

The more extreme militias are getting bolder and bolder.
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They are patient - Let's not forget Oklahoma City. The Michigan Militia has been untouched since the bombing. Zero appetite in the federal government to be pre-emptive and strategic. Always reactive. We will be reactive again in the upcoming weeks - It will look cool and likely be effective in deterrence(NG troops with riot gear and empty rifles) but will not address things long term.
 
happy9 said:
Does your conspiracy theory include the idea that trump told multiple agencies to ignore intelligence and not plan appropriately for what should have been a slam dunk kind of a law enforcement day? Maybe the Q types are so pervasive in government that they simply opened the door and allowed their brethren in.

Or maybe they were just incompetent. Or confident in the measures they took.
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Why were the Capital police denied help from the National Guard after being asked 6 times?
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Who told you to distrust the FBI, DHS and other federal law enforcement agencies? Who told you they were failing?
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Point to where they've been successful? You can start by identifying great successes during the Clinton and Bush admins. Your nose is so far up trumps bunghole that you fail to see anything.

Your woke attempt to typecast people is humorous and entertaining.
 
happy9 said:
They are patient - Let's not forget Oklahoma City. The Michigan Militia has been untouched since the bombing. Zero appetite in the federal government to be pre-emptive and strategic. Always reactive. We will be reactive again in the upcoming weeks - It will look cool and likely be effective in deterrence(NG troops with riot gear and empty rifles) but will not address things long term.
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Agree, and the MI militia was on full display in recent months.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Why were the Capital police denied help from the National Guard after being asked 6 times?
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I don't know, maybe you can ask the The Honorable Paul D. Irving , the Sergeant at Arms of the U.S. House of Representatives. He's the one who denied the request. Is he a trump cronie? Or is he "big" government? But research a bit, you'll see how confused everyone was, no one wanting to take charge. As usual, they are now in react mode. Go government.

The fiasco provides a great view how multiple agencies failed. DC is a complex web of letter agencies, all that can ask for DOD help. Takes a minute to mobilize NG troops, they aren't "just available". The DC police had some, the capitol police had requested some. It's kinda like Oprah giving out stuff on her show.
 
Grace T. said:
Facebook is now moving up the Republican hierarchy, now limiting Ron Paul......they haven't taken on any of the big politicos (e.g., Rand Paul, Cruz, Hawley) or any of the big talking heads (e.g., Shapiro, Ingraham, Hannity, Carlson) yet.

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Ron Paul says he’s blocked from managing his Facebook page

Former Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) on Monday announced that Facebook has prevented him from managing his page, part of the latest wave of suspensions affecting many conservatives on social media sites, most notably President Donald Trump. “With no explanation other than ‘repeatedly going against...
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This is simply unacceptable. The fact that Dems are not standing up to say no is disturbing. They want speech they disagree with silenced.

At some point the other side will be in charge. A couple of years, decades, multi decades or more. The standard HAS to be you don't shut down opposing voices. It is unacceptable to see what we are seeing NOW and to be honest what we have seen happen more and more over the past 4-6 months.

As someone pointed out.....


"And before any liberals see this and try to raise the tired old objection about how Trump (or anyone else) can simply go elsewhere to make their voice hear, unless you’re completely daft you know that’s dishonest. There is no comparable platform to Twitter in terms of global reach in real-time. When somebody tries to start one (*cough* Parler *cough*) Big Tech rallies their massive muscle to shut them down. And even if they don’t succeed, no other platform in that arena has grown to even a fraction of a percent of the volume the giants have.

So Angela Merkel is pretty much on point here. I rarely get the opportunity to sing her praises, but she was willing to stand up for the value of free speech, even when the speech is coming from someone she clearly despises and has frequently used it to target her. Well done, Madam Chancellor. I am honestly impressed."
 
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