President Joe Biden

NorCalDad said:
Not sure I follow. Are you asking if I am putting everyone that voted for Trump in the crazy category? I never sad that. The point I was trying to make was that the crazy trumpists outnumber antifa by a mile.
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if the standard is crazy rightist v crazy leftist numbers, beyond Antifa or the capitol takeover, then no. There’s plenty crazy to go around

if the standard is whether Antifa has > numbers than those that invaded the capitol then also no (Antifa is global)

if you are lumping in everyone at the capitol protest (including those that did not go into the capitol or participate in violence) then also no...you’d have to count the “mostly peaceful” blm supporters on the other side

your bias is showing
 
Grace T. said:
I’d say the same thing about Chris cuomo

his reporting though is pretty fair. He’s interested in domestic terror groups generally Contrary to espolas remarks, he’s reported on the proud boy violence and most recently has been debunking the capitol takeover was really Antifa (there were a couple of Antifa agitators mixed in there that he’s identified but it’s just a mere handful...this was entirely a right wing led thing)
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And I'd say the same about Don Lemon, Joe Scarborough, Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, etc. The right side of your political ideology rears its head on these forums more than maybe you think. Maybe you're farther from the center than you think.
 
Grace T. said:
if the standard is crazy rightist v crazy leftist numbers, beyond Antifa or the capitol takeover, then no. There’s plenty crazy to go around

if the standard is whether Antifa has > numbers than those that invaded the capitol then also no (Antifa is global)

if you are lumping in everyone at the capitol protest (including those that did not go into the capitol or participate in violence) then also no...you’d have to count the “mostly peaceful” blm supporters on the other side

your bias is showing
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I'm talking the number of trumpers that would go to war for him. What do you think that percentage is? Anecdotally I think the trumpers win hands down. I know some of these folks, yet I don't know a single "antifa". The Bay Area has one of the most liberal populations in this country.
 
NorCalDad said:
And I'd say the same about Don Lemon, Joe Scarborough, Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, etc. The right side of your political ideology rears its head on these forums more than maybe you think. Maybe you're farther from the center than you think.
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I’d agree with your list.

If I were an r fan girl, I’d probably be a Susan Collins Republican. Though I do readily admit the govt overreach on the pandemic and the tech overreach on free speech has given me more of a populist bent these days.
 
NorCalDad said:
I'm talking the number of trumpers that would go to war for him. What do you think that percentage is? Anecdotally I think the trumpers win hands down. I know some of these folks, yet I don't know a single "antifa". The Bay Area has one of the most liberal populations in this country.
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i know a ton of ds that seriously considered for a second having California leave the union when he was elected 2016
 
NorCalDad said:
I had to look up Andy Ngo -- his name was super familiar to me. Not diverge from this discussion, but Andy is a nutjob. Pretty sure I'd take everything he says/writes with a grain of salt.
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He likes to put himself in the front of pissing people off and then complain that people are pissed off at him.
 
Grace T. said:
i know a ton of ds that seriously considered for a second having California leave the union when he was elected 2016
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seriously Tds is a thing. The day after the 2016 election I got crashed into by a hit and run driver. I chased her down in a pursuit. She made a wrong turn and got caught by security. She broke down in tears in my arms apologizing and freaking out about trump and what had happened and how she had no hope and California had to leave the union to protect us all.
 
Grace T. said:
from the sound of it your colors are red and black. At least you are willing to add a splash every once in a while. So transparent
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I have nothing to hide. My political positions and personal behavior are pretty much what used to be called "conservative" until the definition of that word was taken over by opportunists in the last decade or so.
 
espola said:
I have nothing to hide. My political positions and personal behavior are pretty much what used to be called "conservative" until the definition of that word was taken over by opportunists in the last decade or so.
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That’s funny. You voted for Reagan?
 
Grace T. said:
neither Cruz nor Hawley advocated for the violent overthrow Of the us government, did not condone the takeover, and when they came didn’t join them to overthrow the government.I’mlong time acquaintance of Ted but have never been a fan. Your statement is bulls—-

as Rudy his legal results speak for themselves
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You also said Mr. Magat Magoo had nothing to do with it.

Anyway, I’ve been meaning to get in touch with that guy with the ugly wife, and it sounds like you’ve got his cell #. Can you DM it to me when you have the chance since you know him so well?
 
Ahh... just when we don't need her, here comes the old bag with another lecture about race. As one of the 'brown people' she keeps talking down too I'm starting to find the endless claims about the inability of people like me to compete with 'the white people' to be wildly insulting.

www.chicagotribune.com

Momentum builds among House Democrats to impeach Trump as Speaker Nancy Pelosi accuses rioters of choosing ‘their whiteness over democracy’

Momentum built among Democrats on Saturday for a fresh and fast push to impeach President Donald Trump, as the House speaker accused his backers who violently invaded the Capitol of choosing &#8220…
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Grace T. said:
That’s funny. You voted for Reagan?
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Reagan was a Democrat and union president until he figured out that GE paid more for Republican-type speeches.

I have never voted for a Democrat or Republican for President until 2020. I would have voted for Nixon in 1968 (my first year of voting eligibility) but I lived in 4 states that year and ended up not registered in any of them. By 1972 I had figured out he was a crook.
 
espola said:
Reagan was a Democrat and union president until he figured out that GE paid more for Republican-type speeches.

I have never voted for a Democrat or Republican for President until 2020. I would have voted for Nixon in 1968 (my first year of voting eligibility) but I lived in 4 states that year and ended up not registered in any of them. By 1972 I had figured out he was a crook.
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Nixon was not a conservative....see price controls

now mr Magoo on the other hand.....
 
happy9 said:
Def a good point.

You can look at it from another perspective though. Imagine having a high ranking official in the US government under the subtle influence of a foreign entity that is in 100% opposition to US interest all over the world. That foreign entity has the capacity to wage this effort across the full spectrum. Russia isn't capable of that, not even close and not in a position to really ever do it. China has the capacity, the capability, the discipline, and the motivation to do it. And are doing it, right now and has been for a long time.

Trump - Russia is laughable at best (from a non political aspect). Makes for great political theater though. China is different, we are intertwined differently with them and need them just as much as they need us. The field has never been level. You can argue whether or not the field became more level over the last 4 years. What really can't be argued is that China is a persistent soft and hard threat to US interests, foreign and domestic.
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Sure, and you could say that the reverse is also true. For China, the US is a direct threat to its aspirations to exert itself and be a world leader. The US has invaded more countries and enabled more wars than China ever has - it’s not even remotely close.

the Chinese figured out that Communism doesn’t work but the leadership has no intention of allowing democracy. It’s more like an autocratic capitalist society. They have hundreds of millions of people they need to bring up economically, I doubt they are as concerned with the US as the reverse.

either way, they are working on their 30 year plan while the US works on the next election cycle. There’s only one winner there.
 
Grace T. said:
neither Cruz nor Hawley advocated for the violent overthrow Of the us government, did not condone the takeover, and when they came didn’t join them to overthrow the government.I’mlong time acquaintance of Ted but have never been a fan. Your statement is bulls—-

as Rudy his legal results speak for themselves
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This is an interesting take on Cruz and Hawley's role and responsibility:

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Cruz and Hawley’s Illegal Objections

Senators Cruz and Hawley were not just acting badly or cowardly or opportunistically. It is important that people see why they were acting…
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Grace T. said:
seriously Tds is a thing. The day after the 2016 election I got crashed into by a hit and run driver. I chased her down in a pursuit. She made a wrong turn and got caught by security. She broke down in tears in my arms apologizing and freaking out about trump and what had happened and how she had no hope and California had to leave the union to protect us all.
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I mean...can't blame her. Trump has been disastrous for this country.
 
NorCalDad said:
I mean...can't blame her. Trump has been disastrous for this country.
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the police investigator said that if she had hit me a foot or two further on the right I likely would have been killed and my kids would have been left orphans. She took off afterwards too which is no more excusable than the behavior you are decrying at the capitol So yeah I do blame her and your comment is insensitive and personally offensive to me and disgusting. If extremists really believe politics is so much their life that they go around in hysterics almost killing people then that’s very sad because there’s more to life to politics. If things are so far gone you think this behavior is excusable maybe you really should start advocating for a peaceful separation of you hate others who think different so much.
 
Grace T. said:
the police investigator said that if she had hit me a foot or two further on the right I likely would have been killed and my kids would have been left orphans. She took off afterwards too which is no more excusable than the behavior you are decrying at the capitol So yeah I do blame her and your comment is insensitive and personally offensive to me and disgusting. If extremists really believe politics is so much their life that they go around in hysterics almost killing people then that’s very sad because there’s more to life to politics. If things are so far gone you think this behavior is excusable maybe you really should start advocating for a peaceful separation of you hate others who think different so much.
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Drama much? I was saying that in jest. Glad you and your family survived the accident.

That said, I do think folks had legitimate concerns with a Trump administration. Those concerns have played out.

What I find so funny is people on the left, at least in my circles, have no problems calling out left wing politicians, but people on the right have an incredibly difficult time in conceding much. You pretend to do this on here, but anyone can see through it. Quite honestly, this is the biggest threat to this country. The lack of objectivism is a huge problem.
 
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