President Joe Biden

met61 said:
From the list of Trump's accomplishments and policies...what are the top three you take issue with?
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This is a little off topic, but I was reading the other day about how Harris's advisors were upset with her that she hadn't told Biden 'no' when he put her in charge of the boarder. Which made me think of Jared Kushner... and what he must have thought when Trump tapped him to fix the middle east. So far... with that peace accord between the Saudis and Israelis... I think you've got to give that one to Kushner. Which brings me back to Trump. He was very good and finding and empowering competent people. That to me was his greatest strength.

Now as to what I didn't like about his policy, I'm not going to bother looking up specific bills or anything but I'd start with 1_tax cuts that were more generous to the wealthy (paid for by debt) I would say is a mistake. 2_his environmental policies (opening public land / anti clean energy) and trying to roll back California smog standards on cars (anyone alive in the 80's remembers). 3_finally stacking the courts with a bunch of 'conservative' judges to win votes from the Christian evangelical voters in the south is turning out to looking highly questionable to me.

Now it's your turn, what are three things you like about Biden?
 
tenacious said:
This is a little off topic, but I was reading the other day about how Harris's advisors were upset with her that she hadn't told Biden 'no' when he put her in charge of the boarder. Which made me think of Jared Kushner... and what he must have thought when Trump tapped him to fix the middle east. So far... with that peace accord between the Saudis and Israelis... I think you've got to give that one to Kushner. Which brings me back to Trump. He was very good and finding and empowering competent people. That to me was his greatest strength.

Now as to what I didn't like about his policy, I'm not going to bother looking up specific bills or anything but I'd start with 1_tax cuts that were more generous to the wealthy (paid for by debt) I would say is a mistake. 2_his environmental policies (opening public land / anti clean energy) and trying to roll back California smog standards on cars (anyone alive in the 80's remembers). 3_finally stacking the courts with a bunch of 'conservative' judges to win votes from the Christian evangelical voters in the south is turning out to looking highly questionable to me.

Now it's your turn, what are three things you like about Biden?
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LOL! Come on, you don't have to be honest with me... but be honest with yourself...as if there is anything to like other than... "at least he's not DT!"

Seriously, although I appreciate your efforts at a rational conversation...there is nothing rational or logical about anyone who knowingly and willingly supported and elected a senile old man...I refuse to pretend otherwise.

Don't feel bad, you're not alone...TDS broke a lot of otherwise rational people.
 
met61 said:
LOL! Come on, you don't have to be honest with me... but be honest with yourself...as if there is anything to like other than... "at least he's not DT!"

Seriously, although I appreciate your efforts at a rational conversation...there is nothing rational or logical about anyone who knowingly and willingly supported and elected a senile old man...I refuse to pretend otherwise.

Don't feel bad, you're not alone...TDS broke a lot of otherwise rational people.
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Not all of us old people are senile.

On another note -- "better than t" was given by Grace as a reason to like DeSantis.
 
tenacious said:
trying to roll back California smog standards
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On this one you misremember a bit or a lot. I won't bother with the other ones.

The problem with the CA standards is that they have become the defacto standard for the nation. In other words that market is large enough where car makers just go with those standards.

The issue was and is, does one state get to set national standards. The answer should be no. And that is what the fight was about.

Now the press didn't frame it as such, nor did they go into any explanation of what was actually happening. They just went with Trump is trying to tell CA it can or cannot do this...when in reality the issue was far more complicated.
 
Desert Hound said:
On this one you misremember a bit or a lot. I won't bother with the other ones.

The problem with the CA standards is that they have become the defacto standard for the nation. In other words that market is large enough where car makers just go with those standards.

The issue was and is, does one state get to set national standards. The answer should be no. And that is what the fight was about.

Now the press didn't frame it as such, nor did they go into any explanation of what was actually happening. They just went with Trump is trying to tell CA it can or cannot do this...when in reality the issue was far more complicated.
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What is wrong with the California standards?
 
met61 said:
LOL! Come on, you don't have to be honest with me... but be honest with yourself...as if there is anything to like other than... "at least he's not DT!"

Seriously, although I appreciate your efforts at a rational conversation...there is nothing rational or logical about anyone who knowingly and willingly supported and elected a senile old man...I refuse to pretend otherwise.

Don't feel bad, you're not alone...TDS broke a lot of otherwise rational people.
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Hey if you want to hitch your wagon to the orange one then I'm happy you've found a candidate that you like. At this point I disagree, but I'm going to wait and see how things go. In the end I know all of the just want to f' me, but I'm going to make them kiss me before they do.

As for the rest of your post. To me holding up the guy who made his whole staff publicly pretend his inauguration crowd was biggest in history (photos of the actual crowd be damned), and still can't admit he lost the election (let alone why) as a beacon of sanity... just doesn't pass the smell test. Also imagine the fuss if Trump lost twice to Biden! It would be so decisive for the moral of country. Trump might be the only person on earth the Republican's could run who Biden could beat at this point? But ugh.
 
tenacious said:
Hey if you want to hitch your wagon to the orange one then I'm happy you've found a candidate that you like. At this point I disagree, but I'm going to wait and see how things go. In the end I know all of the just want to f' me, but I'm going to make them kiss me before they do.

As for the rest of your post. To me holding up the guy who made his whole staff publicly pretend his inauguration crowd was biggest in history (photos of the actual crowd be damned), and still can't admit he lost the election (let alone why) as a beacon of sanity... just doesn't pass the smell test. Also imagine the fuss if Trump lost twice to Biden! It would be so decisive for the moral of country. Trump might be the only person on earth the Republican's could run who Biden could beat at this point? But ugh.
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there's a lot true in your post but you can't seriously believe Biden will run in 3 years? At this point, I wouldn't bet more than 20 dollars that he'd make it to the midterms.
 
"It's all across the country, you know, the members of Congress know from their colleagues in Congress that uh, you know, it looks like a tornado, they don't call 'em that anymore, that hit the crops and wetlands in the middle of the country in Iowa and Nevada and I mean, it's just across the board. And uh, you know um, as I said, we're in this together."

Our Commander in Chief..
 
espola said:
Not all of us old people are senile.

On another note -- "better than t" was given by Grace as a reason to like DeSantis.
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Correct...but this one clearly is, and you knew it. I don't blame Biden, just the fools who pretend otherwise.

...and why should I care what Grace thinks?
 
tenacious said:
Hey if you want to hitch your wagon to the orange one then I'm happy you've found a candidate that you like. At this point I disagree, but I'm going to wait and see how things go. In the end I know all of the just want to f' me, but I'm going to make them kiss me before they do.

As for the rest of your post. To me holding up the guy who made his whole staff publicly pretend his inauguration crowd was biggest in history (photos of the actual crowd be damned), and still can't admit he lost the election (let alone why) as a beacon of sanity... just doesn't pass the smell test. Also imagine the fuss if Trump lost twice to Biden! It would be so decisive for the moral of country. Trump might be the only person on earth the Republican's could run who Biden could beat at this point? But ugh.
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Translation: TDS.
 
espola said:
What is wrong with the California standards?
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California shouldnt be the one to de facto set national standards.

If we are going to have national standards it should be done at the federal level.

For arguments sake I am sure there would be many things you wouldn't like if Texas did them and it became the de facto standard. You would rightly say it should be done at the federal level.

Or does that logic escape you?
 
Desert Hound said:
California shouldnt be the one to de facto set national standards.

If we are going to have national standards it should be done at the federal level.

For arguments sake I am sure there would be many things you wouldn't like if Texas did them and it became the de facto standard. You would rightly say it should be done at the federal level.

Or does that logic escape you?
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Idk... the states license and register the vehicles, and they pay for most of the road repair. So it's a bit of a stretch to say the feds are in charge of automobiles emissions within the boarders of any given state.

More over, it doesn't make any sense to manage vehicle standards at the national level. Returning to the 80's the emissions standards for the rest of the country plainly was not working in Los Angeles.
 
tenacious said:
Idk... the states license and register the vehicles, and they pay for most of the road repair. So it's a bit of a stretch to say the feds are in charge of automobiles emissions within the boarders of any given state.

More over, it doesn't make any sense to manage vehicle standards at the national level. Returning to the 80's the emissions standards for the rest of the country plainly was not working in Los Angeles.
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If I have time I will send you over some articles talking about this so you can understand what the actual issue was/is.

Not to be harsh, but I can tell you are not up to speed on the issue and what the issues where. An example is your statement saying returning to 80s standards. That is so far off base as to be....well you know. Nobody was talking about that or anything close.
 
Desert Hound said:
California shouldnt be the one to de facto set national standards.

If we are going to have national standards it should be done at the federal level.

For arguments sake I am sure there would be many things you wouldn't like if Texas did them and it became the de facto standard. You would rightly say it should be done at the federal level.

Or does that logic escape you?
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You didn't answer the question.
 
Desert Hound said:
If I have time I will send you over some articles talking about this so you can understand what the actual issue was/is.

Not to be harsh, but I can tell you are not up to speed on the issue and what the issues where. An example is your statement saying returning to 80s standards. That is so far off base as to be....well you know. Nobody was talking about that or anything close.
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Feel free to say whatever you want, it doesn't bother me if you're harsh. As long as folks got a point and I don't have to read through a bunch of adult pouting... it's all good with me.

As to the rest, feel free to post any links you like. Again let me point out that states pay for most of the roads and register/license the vehicles... and per states rights they have the authority per my (admittedly iffy) reading of the Constitution.

But setting all that aside, you see the type of yahoo's that are getting elected to national office these days. And we all know deep down where we might not want to admit it that both sides have gone bat-shite crazy. So my two cents is I'd rather have someone local running energy policy that can be recalled... and keep the angry partisans looking to get their faces on TV away from the controls.
 
Grace T. said:
there's a lot true in your post but you can't seriously believe Biden will run in 3 years? At this point, I wouldn't bet more than 20 dollars that he'd make it to the midterms.
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At this point I don't see an Dem alternative to Biden who is competent, nationally viable and also checks all the right boxes as far as culture background / personal history? At least off the top of my head I can't think of anyone...

So the lack of a plan B seemingly means Dems are tied to him and going to have to prop him up as long as possible.
 
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