President Joe Biden

If you want to discuss Afghanistan, take a look at the records of both senile old men who were on the ballot last time.

The white haired senile old man left Afghanistan by withdrawing support first and planning the evacuation second.

The orange haired senile old man released thousands of terrorists in exchange for nothing more than a promise to negotiate.

Neither one stands out as an example of foreign policy wisdom.

Perhaps I’ll get a chance to vote for a green haired senile old man some day. Maybe he’d do better.
You're a useful idiot of the left...sleep well coward.
 
It's interesting, you don't actually seem opposed to the withdraw.

Anyway I'm not a military expert so hopefully some of the other posters will weigh in. But weren't we were already bombing everything the satellite photos showed us for the past 20 years? I.e. I'm not sure that threat carries much weight. Likewise, as to the B-1's and Stealth bombers... I don't know how well that works against gorilla warfare attacks like the Taliban utilized?

That said... I'm with you on the orderly withdrawal part as my insides are telling me this is going to end US Embassy in Tehran bad.
Should have gone it alone in Tora Bora, killed bin Laden, and been withdrawn by Christmas 2001.

Instead we end up with a deadly and completely disgraceful goat screw by a senile old f*ck propped up by the left and their useful idiot enablers like @dad4 and his so-called "conservative" ilk.

Yep, you completely missed the point regarding the obvious and significant threat from air strikes... Not only did the Taliban mass their forces to roll through the entire country in less than a week and maintain it, they would need every bit of infrastructure in Afghanistan for their future survival... A target rich environment to say the least.
 
A couple years back I drove highway M41 along the northern Afghan/Tajik boarder from Duschambe to Khorugh while driving the silk road. So I'm familiar with the terrain. There is no comparable landscape in the US, but as you cross central Asia up into the Hindu Kush all the way out to Kathmandu there are tall mountains, grassy steps and gigantic temperate valleys protected by enormous and steep slopes covered in what looks like chaparral. And like most cities in central Asia I'd guess Kabul and Bagram are both located in valleys and would have year round air service in the wintertime.

And while I realize this is the internet and anyone can say anything; but from what I saw you'd have a hard time convincing me that a winter air retreat was the "riskier" option.


Sounds like a great trip.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. What I'm telling you is that a winter withdrawal presents more problem sets to work through. We are going down a rabbit hole. Strategic airlift isn't normally hampered by weather. Tactical assets routinely are . There are plenty of days from NOV-APR that hamper the ability to: fly medevac, fly CAS, Drones, etc.
 
Should have gone it alone in Tora Bora, killed bin Laden, and been withdrawn by Christmas 2001.

Instead we end up with a deadly and completely disgraceful goat screw by a senile old f*ck propped up by the left and their useful idiot enablers like @dad4 and his so-called "conservative" ilk.

Yep, you completely missed the point regarding the obvious and significant threat from air strikes... Not only did the Taliban mass their forces to roll through the entire country in less than a week and maintain it, they would need every bit of infrastructure in Afghanistan for their future survival... A target rich environment to say the least.
Why no anger at the guy who released the Talib commanders? Doesn't he get a least some of your vitriol? Seems like letting them out of jail isn't looking so smart these days, either.
 
Why no anger at the guy who released the Talib commanders? Doesn't he get a least some of your vitriol? Seems like letting them out of jail isn't looking so smart these days, either.
Looks like Daddy continues to lives rent free in someone's empty head...
 
Why no anger at the guy who released the Talib commanders? Doesn't he get a least some of your vitriol? Seems like letting them out of jail isn't looking so smart these days, either.

“Are there no prisons?” asked Scrooge.

-- Dickens, 1843
 
It's interesting, you don't actually seem opposed to the withdraw.

Anyway I'm not a military expert so hopefully some of the other posters will weigh in. But weren't we were already bombing everything the satellite photos showed us for the past 20 years? I.e. I'm not sure that threat carries much weight. Likewise, as to the B-1's and Stealth bombers... I don't know how well that works against gorilla warfare attacks like the Taliban utilized?

That said... I'm with you on the orderly withdrawal part as my insides are telling me this is going to end US Embassy in Tehran bad.
Add the old and steady B-52 to the steady diet of B1s and B2 and that's how we initially displaced/defeated the Taliban. Troops in the open. Not finishing Tora Bora and staying to build schools led us to where we are today. We didn't go there initially to fight an insurgency. We created an insurgency that had greater political will - we never stood a chance.
 
And 43.

And why isn't Dick Cheney in jail by now?
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Espola, panic has set in on you bro. You should ask your new favorite Republican Liz where her dad Dick is. I know where Rummy is. It's obvious you and your crew made the wrong call because your panicking. Don't feel bad, it happens to the best of us. I remember 4-5 years ago after me and my kid were lied to by a fraudster scammer in youth soccer who went around lying all day for a living and saying this and that so he could get him some. Oh boy, did I panic and try to get the fuck out. It felt like someone threw "eggs over easy" in my face and I had to walk around Silver Lakes with egg on my face. I shared deeply and from the heart and even went around sharing with dear old pals and they were so nice to me. I am super open & honest with my feelings. The good, bad & ugly too. No holding back with Crush. It actually helps me to clean the inside and get it all out. Try it sometime. I also came here 3 years ago for love & support and that didnt go so well. I realized I walked into the bee hive of elitism without a bee suit. Yes, I got stung a few times by you and your elitist crew and all made fun of me by calling me names like moron, idiot, damn fool, club hopper, t supporter and so many other lovely names. Yesterday you called me another name about being anti-vaxxer. Do you see a pattern yet? Now were all sitting around and waiting for the big shoe to drop. I have no panic at all in my mind, body & soul. I made the right call :)
 
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