President Joe Biden

Hüsker Dü said:
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“I had only one alternative,” he said, “to send thousands more troops back into Afghanistan to fight a war that we had already won, relative to the reason why we went in the first place.”-Biden

Biden is 100% nonsensical. Likely not his fault, he's having a hard time communicating clearly and is likely not understanding what he's being told.

The trump deal wasn't great but neither is the current environment. In many ways, the current relationship with the Taliban is worse. We have zero leverage. We have to negotiate with them for the transfer/release of remaining US Citizens and SIV vetted Afghans. The Taliban is under an international microscope in Kabul but free to be the Taliban in the rest of the country.
 
espola said:
Better writers than me can answer that question.

I googled "Cheney's crimes" and google returned 10,400,000 results. Here is the first one.

Remembering Why Americans Loathe Dick Cheney

As the former vice-president releases his memoir, it's useful to recall the many reasons Americans disapproved of his tenure.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com

You can either read that, or place your head back in the sand.
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And you are assuming I'm cheney fan? Why? Lump him in with other politicians and senior pentagon leaders who've worked hard for 20 years to profit on the backs of our servicemen and women. Cheney and Hillary should share a cell. Throw in Clapper, Rumsfeld, Powell.
 
what-happened said:
And you are assuming I'm cheney fan? Why? Lump him in with other politicians and senior pentagon leaders who've worked hard for 20 years to profit on the backs of our servicemen and women. Cheney and Hillary should share a cell. Throw in Clapper, Rumsfeld, Powell.
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I agree.
 
www.reuters.com

Excerpts of call between Joe Biden and Ashraf Ghani July 23

U.S. President Joe Biden and Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani spoke by phone July 23. Here are excerpts from that call, based on a transcript and recording reviewed by Reuters:
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com

Make what you will of it. Would be nice to have transcripts between the principles and their afghani counterparts.

Reads very much like: do this, make it seem like that, and I'll give you this, maybe but we will see.
 
met61 said:
@espola is the resident d-bag...
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Idk in my experience it's more fun in here if you put the posters who bug you on ignore and just keep it to policy talk. Mostly because politics is a tinder box these days, and the name calling just degenerates the convo to memes (we've all see before) and internet trolling.

So... did you read that David Brooks article I posted in the Union thread? I thought he had a good point that the false bravado of the Trump crowd was really a reaction to coastal elites control over culture and money. And in that context, someone like you met61 (who is probably not too bad a guy in real life), is turned into the angry and verbose Trump supporter. Because you're stuck paying into a system that doesn't seem to like you.

But seeing that you don't actually have ideas or plans you're advancing to change this other than memes and voting for Trump so you can listen to him call people names, I would suggest that your problem is the same as mine; both the parties are just offering different flavors of crazy. Which is why I'm supporting moderates candidates from here on out. They are the only ones offering any semblance of competency over crazy.
 
tenacious said:
Idk in my experience it's more fun in here if you put the posters who bug you on ignore and just keep it to policy talk. Mostly because politics is a tinder box these days, and the name calling just degenerates the convo to memes (we've all see before) and internet trolling.

So... did you read that David Brooks article I posted in the Union thread? I thought he had a good point that the false bravado of the Trump crowd was really a reaction to coastal elites control over culture and money. And in that context, someone like you met61 (who is probably not too bad a guy in real life), is turned into the angry and verbose Trump supporter. Because you're stuck paying into a system that doesn't seem to like you.

But seeing that you don't actually have ideas or plans you're advancing to change this other than memes and voting for Trump so you can listen to him call people names, I would suggest that your problem is the same as mine; both the parties are just offering different flavors of crazy. Which is why I'm supporting moderates candidates from here on out. They are the only ones offering any semblance of competency over crazy.
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You've never met me, so spare me the psychoanalysis...you're in a soccer forum spending a telling amount of time and energy producing numerous lengthy word salads thinking you are an Oracle for change and thinking you are convincing others besides yourself.

No need to read Brooks to know what it says..."Orange Man Bad" while broad brushing 76+mil citizens of all races he's never met with all the usual "ists" and "isms"...same old tired and boring pablum.

So, your depth and seriousness is... "but, mean words and tweets"...and in a soccer forum, no less... I'd say ridicule and old memes are about right.

Here, I'll play along...maybe try something beyond the tabloid personality drivel such as...I don't know, results and accomplishments along with their impact on your family and community.

Trump Administration Accomplishments – The White House

trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov

BTW, how about those PSG acquisitions?
 
met61 said:
You've never met me, so spare me the psychoanalysis...you're in a soccer forum spending a telling amount of time and energy producing numerous lengthy word salads thinking you are an Oracle for change and thinking you are convincing others besides yourself.

No need to read Brooks to know what it says..."Orange Man Bad" while broad brushing 76+mil citizens of all races he's never met with all the usual "ists" and "isms"...same old tired and boring pablum.

So, your depth and seriousness is... "but, mean words and tweets"...and in a soccer forum, no less... I'd say ridicule and old memes are about right.

Here, I'll play along...maybe try something beyond the tabloid personality drivel such as...I don't know, results and accomplishments along with their impact on your family and community.

Trump Administration Accomplishments – The White House

trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov

BTW, how about those PSG acquisitions?
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Dang bro... you're sure wound up tight. Even for a trumper. And here I thought you were coming in for a little friendly banter on a youth soccer forum- so you appreciate my surprise at how that turned into you lecturing me on how your too good to be talking to someone like me.

Anyway I was just trying to find something to get the conversation rolling. You don't have to like my stuff, but do you have a thought or idea you'd like to share? I've got my fingers crossed that there is more to this you to sitting around in here policing everyone else's conversations with all that bluster about how smart you are and links to other peoples thoughts on why you like Trump... lol
 
tenacious said:
Dang bro... you're sure wound up tight. Even for a trumper. And here I thought you were coming in for a little friendly banter on a youth soccer forum- so you appreciate my surprise at how that turned into you lecturing me on how your too good to be talking to someone like me.

Anyway I was just trying to find something to get the conversation rolling. You don't have to like my stuff, but do you have a thought or idea you'd like to share? I've got my fingers crossed that there is more to this you to sitting around in here policing everyone else's conversations with all that bluster about how smart you are and links to other peoples thoughts on why you like Trump... lol
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...yawn.
 
It's going to be interesting how this whole abortion thing shakes out. I know there is big money to be fundraised off abortion politics, but my read as a human living in America... is that most people quietly supported the status quo.

Despite being a moderate myself, and having always had a respect for Susan Colleens... she should have bucked her party on voting for Kavanaugh. Which is why I would say it's time for her to retire? Same with any moderates in the House who will vote for the $3.5 Bernie Bill in hopes of fending off a socialist primary challenger... talk about a bunch of whimps.

www.politico.com

Abortion fight adds to Biden’s growing policy backlog

Biden needs Congress to protect abortion rights, just as he needs their help with much of his domestic agenda.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
 
tenacious said:
It's going to be interesting how this whole abortion thing shakes out. I know there is big money to be fundraised off abortion politics, but my read as a human living in America... is that most people quietly supported the status quo.

Despite being a moderate myself, and having always had a respect for Susan Colleens... she should have bucked her party on voting for Kavanaugh. Which is why I would say it's time for her to retire? Same with any moderates in the House who will vote for the $3.5 Bernie Bill in hopes of fending off a socialist primary challenger... talk about a bunch of whimps.

www.politico.com

Abortion fight adds to Biden’s growing policy backlog

Biden needs Congress to protect abortion rights, just as he needs their help with much of his domestic agenda.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
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Translation: "I'm a spinless tool of the left...and, I'm with Jeb!"
 
met61 said:
Translation: "I'm a spinless tool of the left...and, I'm with Jeb!"
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So you like the authoritarian types like Trump and Warren? Hmm... Idk. Those folks always set alarm bells ringing in my head. I'm 'merican and I like my freedom- so in fairness I'll probably never see eye to eye with the micromanagers of the world. To me as voters we are the 'hot girl' that all the politicians wants. And as such, it's to our advantage to keep our options open each time an election rolls around... as we are actually able to tell them what we want and they will respond if they think they have a chance for our vote.
 
tenacious said:
So you like the authoritarian types like Trump and Warren? Hmm... Idk. Those folks always set alarm bells ringing in my head. I'm 'merican and I like my freedom- so in fairness I'll probably never see eye to eye with the micromanagers of the world. To me as voters we are the 'hot girl' that all the politicians wants. And as such, it's to our advantage to keep our options open each time an election rolls around... as we are actually able to tell them what we want and they will respond if they think they have a chance for our vote.
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From the list of Trump's accomplishments and policies...what are the top three you take issue with?
 
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