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Lion Eyes said:
I was looking for the statistics to see how many hunters were killed on the road going or coming from their hunts...
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You mean," in addition" to the ones who died or were injured hunting?
 
Wez said:
No Lion, the more guns that are present, the more chance of one of them going off and hurting someone. The fact that you can also die from other things in society doesn't change the fact that guns represent a danger to people who are around them.

http://jezebel.com/a-woman-was-fata...source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
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That's funny. When I was on the Midway I was surrounded by guns, missiles, bombs, rockets and none of them ever went off. Pretty amazing when you think about how much firepower and fuel is packed in to 4 acres of flight deck. The fact that guns represent a danger to people who are around them doesn't change the fact that you can also die from other things in society .
 
Wez said:
You mean," in addition" to the ones who died or were injured hunting?
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Well for three years none were killed hunting...wonder if there were no fatal car accidents for three years?

I've hunted for decades, I know of no one injured hunting.
I know many soccer players injured over the years.

Statistics don't matter.
Guns cause accidents.
Someone please protect me from the cradle to the grave.
 
Wez said:
No Lion, the more guns that are present, the more chance of one of them going off and hurting someone. The fact that you can also die from other things in society doesn't change the fact that guns represent a danger to people who are around them.
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Bruddah IZ said:
That's funny. When I was on the Midway I was surrounded by guns, missiles, bombs, rockets and none of them ever went off. Pretty amazing when you think about how much firepower and fuel is packed in to 4 acres of flight deck. The fact that guns represent a danger to people who are around them doesn't change the fact that you can also die from other things in society .
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Wez said:
You mean on the museum ship? Another great analogy from the rabbit hole...
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Aye, the museum. Have you ever been surrounded by guns? Accidental gun deaths happen when people don't follow rules.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Accidental gun deaths happen when people don't follow rules.
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Usually, and they happen because of negligence, absent mindedness, mistake, freak circumstance or in other words, by simply being a part of human existence. More guns, more gun deaths.
 
Wez said:
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/01/americas-top-killing-machine/384440/

"Gun deaths are poised to surpass automobile deaths in the United States this year."

Statistics prove you wrong Lion.
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So in your policy decision would you allot more money to mental health care or administering background checks for gun licensing? As suspected from your link:

Firearm homicides
  • Number of deaths: 11,208
  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.5

Again, the number above represents approximately one third of gun deaths. Can you guess the cause of death for the other two thirds? So if gun deaths are going to pass car deaths, I wonder what the magnitudes might be for homicide vs. suicide. At least your sources are consistent.
 
Wez said:
Usually, and they happen because of negligence, absent mindedness, mistake, freak circumstance or in other words, by simply being a part of human existence. More guns, more gun deaths.
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More negligence, absent mindedness, mistake, freak circumstance, more gun deaths.
 
Wez said:
You "can" reduce the number of guns in that equation...with policy designed to do so over a long period of time.
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But accidental gun deaths totally rely on "negligence, absent mindedness, mistake, freak circumstance". You can continue with the contention that concentration of guns equals more deaths but several Hunter States prove you wrong over the years.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
You can continue with the contention that concentration of guns equals more deaths but several Hunter States prove you wrong over the years.
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Really?

http://content.csbs.utah.edu/~rhuef/courses/Notes5321-6321/trauma_article.pdf

"People of all age groups are significantly more likely to die from unintentional firearm injuries when they live in states with more guns, relative to states with fewer guns. On average, states with the highest gun levels had nine times the rate of unintentional firearms deaths compared to states with the lowest gun levels."
 
Bruddah IZ said:
But accidental gun deaths totally rely on "negligence, absent mindedness, mistake, freak circumstance". You can continue with the contention that concentration of guns equals more deaths but several Hunter States prove you wrong over the years.
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Hunter states have an entirely different gun culture than non-hunter states.

Example - my father said to me in a discussion on magazine size - "If you can't kill it in 3 shots you shouldn't be in the woods."
 
espola said:
Hunter states have an entirely different gun culture than non-hunter states.
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Yes, it's a culture that statistically understands the consequences of "negligence, absent mindedness, mistakes, and freak circumstances" when it comes to gun safety.
 
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