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espola said:
As I said already, the whole story is not what was printed in the paper or the PLF press release. How do you think EPA and Corps of Engineers got wind of Johnson's dam? The only people who had any way to know about it are his neighbors - think about it.

Folks' claims on the Colorado are based on how much water there is in the river, from flow measured at points just above the big reservoirs, or by measuring the level of Lake Mead. Arizona and California get a lot less than they could use, because that's all there is, especially during the current drought. About a month ago, Lake Mead reached the lowest level it has seen since it was filled in the 30's.
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Thanks, the water rights of the Colorado River are well known Magoo. We are talking about a stock pond in Wyoming.
Perhaps the entire story hasn't been printed in the paper, but you are more than willing to speculate and tell the story as you imagine it to be.
The known facts remain, the pond stays, the EPA goes back to DC and no fines or penalties are administered, a few trees get planted and temporary fence is put into place.
 
Wez said:
Difference is, accidental gun deaths are mostly unnecessary. You gotta drive, gotta eat, gotta walk around, etc.
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You can't legislate accidents away.
The facts are your way more likely to die driving to a soccer tournament, choking on a Jersey Mikes sub or falling down the stairs at the tournament hotel.
All accidental deaths are unnecessary, unintended, unplanned....
 
Lion Eyes said:
Thanks, the water rights of the Colorado River are well known Magoo. We are talking about a stock pond in Wyoming.
Perhaps the entire story hasn't been printed in the paper, but you are more than willing to speculate and tell the story as you imagine it to be.
The known facts remain, the pond stays, the EPA goes back to DC and no fines or penalties are administered, a few trees get planted and temporary fence is put into place.
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I labeled my speculations as such. I haven't even posted the most outrageous and funny stories that have come to mind - how the EPA found out abut the dam by studying satellite photos; how an EPA deputy convinced a horseback posse of neighbors armed with six-shooters and dynamite, intent on removing the threat to their crops and livestock, to return home peacefully; how the PLF convinced the neighbors to withdraw their complaints about Johnson's water grab; et cetera, etc, etc.

I confined my comments to reliable sources, and it looks like from your last post that you have trimmed down your claims to what can be established by the legal documents as well. Good for you.
 
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Lion Eyes said:
You can't legislate accidents away.
The facts are your way more likely to die driving to a soccer tournament, choking on a Jersey Mikes sub or falling down the stairs at the tournament hotel.
All accidental deaths are unnecessary, unintended, unplanned....
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Accidental deaths in cars have been reduced by legal and technical improvements to vehicles and highway. Improvements to the building codes for stairs have made them safer. I don't know of any safety regulations for Jersey Mike subs - maybe there is an amendment that protects them.
 
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Wez said:
"Between 1955 and 1975, the Vietnam War killed over 58,000 American soldiers – less than the number of civilians killed with guns in the U.S. in an average two-year period.

In the first seven years of the U.S.-Iraq War, over 4,400 American soldiers were killed. Almost as many civilians are killed with guns in the U.S., however, every seven weeks.

On average, states with the highest gun levels had nine times the rate of unintentional firearms deaths compared to states with the lowest gun levels."
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Link Please.
 
Lion Eyes said:
You can't legislate accidents away.
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Which is why we should create an environment that leads us toward less guns in the population, so we don't continue to be the poster child for gun violence in the world.

Lion Eyes said:
The facts are your way more likely to die driving to a soccer tournament, choking on a Jersey Mikes sub or falling down the stairs at the tournament hotel.
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Unless you also have a gun on you, then you get to add to that list of ways to die.
 
Wez said:
Christ, just Google gun deaths you dolt. I realize it's less than 1%, but with so many guns in the US, the number still adds up quickly.
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42000 auto deaths - 600 gun deaths per year...

Approx:
320,000,000 population
2,600,000 deaths per year
131,000 accidental or unintended deaths per year
600 accidental shooting deaths.....
Hmmm.....I worry more about that spot on your back your dermatologists is looking at

Accidental shootings are really nothing to worry about
 
Lion Eyes said:
Hmmm.....I worry more about that spot on your back your dermatologists is looking at

Accidental shootings are really nothing to worry about
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Unless I'm wearing a gun and the doctor is, then we get to add accidental gun death to the list of ways to die, unnecessarily....
 
This should get some folks hopping...:cool:

American Hunters – The World’s Largest Army
Thoughts on Hunters, this is an interesting slant on things. The world’s largest army; America’s hunters! I had never thought about this, but a blogger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of states and arrived at a striking conclusion:

There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin. Allow me to restate that number: 600,000. Over the last several months, Wisconsin’s hunters became the eighth largest army in the world: more men in arms than in Iran. More than France and Germany combined. These men and women deployed to the woods of a single American state, Wisconsin, to hunt with firearms, and no one was killed.

That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan’s 700,000 hunters, all of whom have now returned home safely. Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally establishes the fact that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world. And then add in the total number of hunters in the other 46 states. It’s millions more.

The point? America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower. Hunting, it’s not just a way to fill the freezer; it’s a matter of national security. That’s why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed. Food for thought, when next we consider gun control.

Overall it’s true, so if we disregard some assumptions that hunters don’t possess the same skills as soldiers, the question would still remain, what army of 2 million would want to face 30, 40, 50 million armed citizens? For the sake of our freedom, don’t ever allow gun control or confiscation of guns.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/11/04/american-hunters-–-world’s-largest-army
 
Lion Eyes said:
This should get some folks hopping...:cool:

American Hunters – The World’s Largest Army
Thoughts on Hunters, this is an interesting slant on things. The world’s largest army; America’s hunters! I had never thought about this, but a blogger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of states and arrived at a striking conclusion:

There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin....
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http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/story/news/local/2015/11/27/deer-season-deadliest-years/76302796/

"Wisconsin's 2015 gun-deer season is the deadliest in the past five years"

LOLZ
 
Wez said:
No Lion, the more guns that are present, the more chance of one of them going off and hurting someone. The fact that you can also die from other things in society doesn't change the fact that guns represent a danger to people who are around them.
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Statistically that doesn't hold true.
There are millions of gun owners...600 hundred die of accidental shootings...???
 
Wez said:
Christ, just Google gun deaths you dolt. I realize it's less than 1%, but with so many guns in the US, the number still adds up quickly.
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How quickly is it adding up?

Wez said:
Which is why we should create an environment that leads us toward less guns in the population, so we don't continue to be the poster child for gun violence in the world.
Unless you also have a gun on you, then you get to add to that list of ways to die.
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How do you plan on creating an environment that leads us toward less guns in the population, so we don't continue to be the poster child for gun violence in the world? I think politicians should be the first to give up their firearms including their bodyguards.
 
Wez said:
http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/story/news/local/2015/11/27/deer-season-deadliest-years/76302796/

"Wisconsin's 2015 gun-deer season is the deadliest in the past five years"

LOLZ
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WAUSAU - Wisconsin's 2015 gun-deer season is the deadliest in the past five years, with two shooting fatalities already recorded as hunters head into the woods for closing weekend.

The fatalities brought to an end a three-year series of nine-day rifle seasons that had been free of firearm deaths; the total surpasses the number of gun deaths to happen over the last five seasons of deer hunting combined.....
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I was looking for the statistics to see how many hunters were killed on the road going or coming from their hunts...
 
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