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I don't know if I want to talk about this with you. Seems to be sore spot for you captain. Like before I know it you'll be telling me I'm stupid or maybe even a poopy-pants.
You are probably right, Bernie is the sensitive type.
 
Look at what the government has done for our veterans and their health care needs...

I agree. There are whole segments of the pop that are getting less then they deserve. Vets being a big one.

Imagine if government stopped dicking around and coming up with excuses and got to work. Making life better for vets. Making life better for all of us.
 
Here's another article that's a thought provoking read. Sounds like the Pope is calling us out...

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/new...y-being-against-refugees-and-other-religions/

Pope Francis: You can’t defend Christianity by being ‘against refugees and other religions’

Answering questions from young people in the group this morning, the pope said, “the sickness or, you can say the sin, that Jesus condemns most is hypocrisy,” which is precisely what is happening when someone claims to be a Christian but does not live according to the teaching of Christ.

“You cannot be a Christian without living like a Christian,” he said. “You cannot be a Christian without practicing the Beatitudes. You cannot be a Christian without doing what Jesus teaches us in Matthew 25.” This is a reference to Christ’s injunction to help the needy by such works of mercy as feeding the hungry, clothing the naked and welcoming the stranger.

“It’s hypocrisy to call yourself a Christian and chase away a refugee or someone seeking help, someone who is hungry or thirsty, toss out someone who is in need of my help,” he said. “If I say I am Christian, but do these things, I’m a hypocrite.”
 
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I agree. There are whole segments of the pop that are getting less then they deserve. Vets being a big one.

Imagine if government stopped dicking around and coming up with excuses and got to work. Making life better for vets. Making life better for all of us.
Vets are small portion of the population. They have sacrificed for our country.
The have earned and deserve the best treatment available.
They even have their own government entity that can't care for them properly.
What makes you think the government can cover 323 million properly?
 
Lets just say, for the sake of argument, that the government should force everyone to buy insurance. That is the idea behind Obamacare.
If you want to force everyone to buy insurance, why would'nt it be a very simple and cheap, catastrophic plan with a high deductable?
Your argument seems to be that we need something to cover the very expensive situations.
We need to keep people healthy, not step in as a last resort.
 
Vets are small portion of the population. They have sacrificed for our country.
The have earned and deserve the best treatment available.
They even have their own government entity that can't care for them properly.
What makes you think the government can cover 323 million properly?

What makes me think we can come up with a way to improve access and reduce costs? Well... all our competitor nations sure seem to have figured out how to keep cost down and quality of care up. I mean good grief... the European Union has over 500 million residents and they are all getting affordable access to healthcare that is on par with what you see here in America.

So perhaps rather then enabling our government's leaders poor performance with knee jerk excuses about how the best we can finish is last, maybe a better course of action would be to start to demand better
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You have to cover the entire population or it won't work. Free market healthcare has been failing America.

You do not have to cover everyone, those who wish to be covered ..Pay !
What you are mandating is having damn near 60 % of the United States
( That work ) pay for the other 40 % ( That aren't ), that's quite a burden
if ya ask me...
 
You do not have to cover everyone, those who wish to be covered ..Pay !
What you are mandating is having damn near 60 % of the United States
( That work ) pay for the other 40 % ( That aren't ), that's quite a burden
if ya ask me...

You pay for those who aren't covered anyway, through medicaid programs. The most successful health systems cover all citizens and control costs. Yes, the VA has it's problems, but gets some stuff right. We should work together to solve this common problem.
 
What makes me think we can come up with a way to improve access and reduce costs? Well... all our competitor nations sure seem to have figured out how to keep cost down and quality of care up. I mean good grief... the European Union has over 500 million residents and they are all getting affordable access to healthcare that is on par with what you see here in America.

So perhaps rather then enabling our government's leaders poor performance with knee jerk excuses about how the best we can finish is last, maybe a better course of action would be to start to demand better
.

Health care is a complex personal service, with wide variation in quality, both along measures of health outcomes and along more subjective dimensions of satisfaction. Its demand curve is very elastic – people will consume a lot at subsidized prices. The distinction between “want” and “need” is conceptually fuzzy, and nearly impossible to measure.

The big improvements in health care come from better technology. But big improvements in health-care delivery, average quality, and cost are also attainable. The latter come from much better human organization, as has happened recently in many other industries that have witnessed revolutionary supply competition. Achieving those improvements requires that newcomers can sell products at a profit, and enter new markets, while displacing lots of entrenched interests, before facing competition themselves.

From these observations, simple conclusions follow.

Health care markets need a big supply-side revolution, in which the likes of Southwest Airlines, Walmart and Apple enter, improving business practices, increasing quality and transparency, and spurring innovation. And disrupting the many entrenched interests and cross-subsidies of the current system.

I outlined a long string of restrictions on competition that must be repealed or modified to allow competition. At a minimum, every new regulation should be evaluated by its effect on competition by new entrants, or protection of incumbents, a consideration not even spoken in policy discussion today. (Even when regulatory cost-benefit calculations are made, they do not consider the effects of regulation on competition, capture, and cronyism.)

Health care is singularly ill-suited to payment-plan provision, either by government directly or by heavily regulated insurance by a few large well-protected businesses. A functional cash market must exist in which patients can realistically feel the marginal dollar cost of their treatment, or (equivalently) enjoy the full financial benefits of any economies of treatment they are willing to accept, and are not patsies for huge cross-subsidization and rent-seeking by an obscure system negotiated behind the scenes between big insurance companies, hospitals, and government.

Both supply and demand must be freed, along with insurance. Without supply competition, asking consumers to pay more will do little to spur efficiency. Without demand competition, new suppliers will not be able to succeed.

So, the alternative to the current health care and health insurance mess (both pre and post-ACA) is clear. Getting there will be a long hard road. It’s not a simple matter of “deregulation,” given how deep and widespread the offending restrictions are, and the many legitimate purposes which they purport to serve, and sometimes do. We need to construct a different, but wiser, legal and regulatory regime. I know an interest group when I see one: Don’t worry, there will be lots of jobs for health economists, policy analysts, and lawyers.
 
I agree. There are whole segments of the pop that are getting less then they deserve. Vets being a big one.

Imagine if government stopped dicking around and coming up with excuses and got to work. Making life better for vets. Making life better for all of us.
Imagine if unicorns and dragons were real.
Its more realistic.
 
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