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Lion Eyes said:
I'm not against Hillary because she's a far left wing nut...it's her inability to tell the truth that I find repulsive.
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I don't know how to say this any nicer then this, but between your attacks on Hillary because her husband was cheating on her and the continual claims that she must be a felon out of the belief that eventually Republican's will snare her on some witch hunt... I would just quietly comment that maybe you and Hillary both a little bit of a problem telling the truth?

You get the government you deserved... isn't that what you said? After 8 years of dancing to the whims of their vocal and well funded conservative minority, republicans shouldn't be surprised that Hillary and the Clinton machine has been called up to save the country from the politics of no.
 
Wez said:
No my statement about FoxNews is based on countless hours of having watched both Fox and MSNBC. FoxNews reports very little actual news compared to the time they spend on editorial and opinion content. MSNBC you can actually turn on and get some news once in awhile.

That and FoxNews lies all day long, all day, every day. They have kept the Benghazi witch hunt alive, reporting lies that have been proven wrong by several bi-partisan Congressional reports. AGW deniers giving scientifically wrong information, IRS, Benghazi, it's an avalanche of lies, constantly.




But you're ok with Trump, who is an even bigger liar?
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I've said we have to choose between to less than worthy candidates.
Trump with all his bombastic narcissism isn't the lying piece of work Hillary is and I bet Trump knows a classifieds document when he see's one.
When did he lie to congress?
When did he tell the American people he had turned over all his emails from his private server that related to his time as Secretary of State?
Did he tell folks that his parents named him after Sir Donald Duck?
Then there was the time he claimed to land in the middle east under sniper fire...remember?
But in the end..... 'What Difference Does It Make'?
 
tenacious said:
I don't know how to say this any nicer then this, but between your attacks on Hillary because her husband was cheating on her and the continual claims that she must be a felon out of the belief that eventually Republican's will snare her on some witch hunt... I would just quietly comment that maybe you and Hillary both a little bit of a problem telling the truth?

You get the government you deserved... isn't that what you said? After 8 years of dancing to the whims of their vocal and well funded conservative minority, republicans shouldn't be surprised that Hillary and the Clinton machine has been called up to save the country from the politics of no.
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Say what?
You care to clarify where and when I had a problem "telling the truth"?
I've never lied before congress. Repeatedly.
Eight years of Obama and you think Hillary will change anything?
Pfffft! Muahahahahaaaa. you're joking.
Took me a minute, I had to really dig deep. You're not serious, right?
 
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Lion Eyes said:
I've said we have to choose between to less than worthy candidates.
Trump with all his bombastic narcissism isn't the lying piece of work Hillary is...
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Why do you keep saying that? Since we know he actually lies far more than Hillary does, it must be that you prefer what he says, when he is lying.

Is there something he has done so far that has led you to believe his belligerent ego driven actions would serve our Country well?

I mean, seriously, can you point to something he has said that makes you stand up and cheer?
 
Lion Eyes said:
Say what?
You care to clarify where and when I had a problem "telling the truth"?
I've never lied before congress. Repeatedly.
Eight years of Obama and you think Hillary will change anything?
Pfffft! Muahahahahaaaa. you're joking.
Took me a minute, I had to really dig deep. You're not serious, right?
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Heh. I don't think you deliberately lie - you just can't tell the difference.

You serve some value here though. Whenever one of my non-socalsoccer friends asks me if there really are people like that, I send then a link to one of your posts.
 
Wez said:
Why do you keep saying that? Since we know he actually lies far more than Hillary does, it must be that you prefer what he says, when he is lying.

Is there something he has done so far that has led you to believe his belligerent ego driven actions would serve our Country well?

I mean, seriously, can you point to something he has said that makes you stand up and cheer?
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"I mean seriously", can you document the times Trump has lied to congress.......
I've documented some of Hillary's lies, perhaps you should document the lies Trump has told congress & the American people.
Hillary lies so much it's second nature. Sort of pathological, wouldn't you agree?
Did she not tell the American public that she never sent or received classified information on her email? She lied.
Did she not tell congress that she turned in all work related emails and documents to the State Department? Another lie.
She claims her lawyers read every email before they were deleted, they did not.
Brian Williams was fired for telling tales of helicopter's he was riding in coming under attack, not Sir Hillary.
One more time with Trump, I will hold my nose and cast a vote for Trump before I will ever cast a vote for Hillary Clinton.
A few days ago, a Washington Post and ABC News poll found that 56% think Hillary should be indicted. Wouldn't surprise me if those numbers have risen.
We haven't even talked about Madame Secretaries policies that turned North Africa into a killing field...Arab Spring? Right?
 
espola said:
Heh. I don't think you deliberately lie - you just can't tell the difference.

You serve some value here though. Whenever one of my non-socalsoccer friends asks me if there really are people like that, I send then a link to one of your posts.
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You claim to have friends, good for you.
The part about non socalfriends and you sending them links to one of my posts...... Poppycock. I don't believe that for a minute.
 
Lion Eyes said:
"I mean seriously", can you document the times Trump has lied to congress.......
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Put him in office, I'm sure we'll get a mountain of them, since literally everything out of his mouth is bullshit.

Again, my goal isn't to defend HRC, who I don't like. My curiosity is in how easily people are dismissing Trump's avalanche of lies while at the same time bashing HRC for lying.
Cognitive dissonance
 
Wez said:
Put him in office, I'm sure we'll get a mountain of them, since literally everything out of his mouth is bullshit.

Again, my goal isn't to defend HRC, who I don't like. My curiosity is in how easily people are dismissing Trump's avalanche of lies while at the same time bashing HRC for lying.
Cognitive dissonance
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What lies are you talking about?
So you got nothing? No examples of Trump's lies... nice argument.
Let us know when you get something....
 
Wez said:
The fact that the media refuses to give any coverage to someone like Gary Johnson is proof that there is a broken system, for sure.
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Pat Paulson felt the same way.
He ran for President a half dozen times.
Never got much attention either.
 
Lion Eyes said:
What lies are you talking about?
So you got nothing? No examples of Trump's lies... nice argument.
Let us know when you get something....
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Seriously, it took about 1 second to find this:

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

...and that's not a complete list by any means. That's just what they had at the time and that's just the "false" ratings, take a look at "pants on fire". Dude, are you that blinded by partisanship that you can't see him for what he is???
 
17SquirrelsDad said:
Just an FYI - be careful using 'Politifact' as a reliable site for bi-partisan comparison. This site is maintained by the same couple (the Michealsons) that maintain Snope.com. Hardly bi-partisan.
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Have you done any research, I'd love to see what you came up with?
 
Wez said:
Seriously, it took about 1 second to find this:

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

...and that's not a complete list by any means. That's just what they had at the time and that's just the "false" ratings, take a look at "pants on fire". Dude, are you that blinded by partisanship that you can't see him for what he is???
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Where did he lie to congress?
Some of the things your source lists as a lie is Trump sharing an opinion :
"Just look at what the FBI director said about her (Hillary Clinton) Her misconduct is a disgrace and embarrassment to our country." That's his opinion of Hillary.
Trump is not alone with his opinion. I can't believe folks are willing to over look all the significant lies this women has told.
Please tell me you have Trump under oath and lying to congress or the American people.
Tell me he has repeated and embellished lies from his past ala Hillary...
She claims to have never sent or received classified documents. Liar or incompetent.
Either one should disqualify her from the office.
 
Lion Eyes said:
"I mean seriously", can you document the times Trump has lied to congress.......
I've documented some of Hillary's lies, perhaps you should document the lies Trump has told congress & the American people.
Hillary lies so much it's second nature. Sort of pathological, wouldn't you agree?
Did she not tell the American public that she never sent or received classified information on her email? She lied.
Did she not tell congress that she turned in all work related emails and documents to the State Department? Another lie.
She claims her lawyers read every email before they were deleted, they did not.
Brian Williams was fired for telling tales of helicopter's he was riding in coming under attack, not Sir Hillary.
One more time with Trump, I will hold my nose and cast a vote for Trump before I will ever cast a vote for Hillary Clinton.
A few days ago, a Washington Post and ABC News poll found that 56% think Hillary should be indicted. Wouldn't surprise me if those numbers have risen.
We haven't even talked about Madame Secretaries policies that turned North Africa into a killing field...Arab Spring? Right?
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Lion you really are being a shameless apologist for the GOP here. Lol... you can't vote for Trump because he's more honest. Nobody believes that.

Moreover when did you change your opinion about Trump? I remember you saying he'd never get your vote. My guess is that the conservative voice from above just spoke down and now the sheeple are falling in line.
 
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Lion Eyes said:
Where did he lie to congress?
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You asked for examples of him lying, you got your answer, sorry if you didn't like it and feel you now have to place additional conditions on his lies. You clearly feel more comfortable with his lies, compared to hers, that's your choice.
 
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