My heavens!
Ponderable
- Thread starter Bruddah IZ
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I didn't say I was never wrong -- I said Izzy never found any. I even left a couple of ripe cherries out for him, and he missed them.
The EPA did not say he was in compliance -- they settled without making any statement one way or the other about that. As you have noted, an ironic part of the settlement was construction of a fence that will keep any "stock" away from the pond.
Remember how you were embarrassed by posting a bogus email? Do you realize that much of your current post is verbatim blather from Pacific Legal Foundation? You might want to check out their background.
I don't have any way to know what really happened in the settlement, but I will make a judgement at the risk of being proven wrong -- what was reported in the paper is not the whole story.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Here are more words to describe one word which was used to describe one person.
The original meaning of huckster is a person who sells small articles, either door-to-door or from a stall or small store, like a peddler or hawker. The word was in use circa 1200 (as "huccsteress") and was spelled hukkerye, hukrie, hockerye, huckerstrye or hoxterye at one time or another. The word was still in use in England in the 1840s, when it appeared as a black market occupation. The word is related to the Middle Dutch hokester, hoekster and the Middle Low German höker, but appears earlier than any of these.[1] In the United States, there developed a connotation of trickery – the huckster might trick others into buying cheap imitation products as if they were the real thing.
espoola
SILVER
You're never wrong.
You're even smarter than Bill Nye the science guy.
Bruddah IZ
DA
If he owned a .45 caliber pistol he would be wrong first and last.
espoola
SILVER
Espola is the smartest and most best gun taker aparter in the world.
Bruddah IZ
DA
I hope so. The exit wound makes quite a mess.
espoola
SILVER
At least he was right about that uppity rancher having to pay the fines and destroy his illegal stock pond!
Bruddah IZ
DA
Maybe. I don't know. I didn't follow the whole thing.
espoola
SILVER
Lion Eyes will back me up.
The feds were right!,....they made him pay all the fines and destroy his illegal, and despicable pond.
Bruddah IZ
DA
The continuing failure of centrally planned health care
https://www.aei.org/publication/the-continuing-failure-of-centrally-planned-health-care/
Another day, another healthcare co-op failure. In July alone, three co-ops, HealthyCt in Connecticut, Community Care of Oregon, and Land of Lincoln in Illinois announced they are closing up shop. They join 13 other failed co-ops out of the original 23 that were a centerpiece of the Affordable Care Act’s vision for the future of healthcare organization — an unrealistic vision based on wishful thinking and sabotaged by the ACA itself.......
The ACA created Consumer Operated and Oriented Plans (co-ops) — private, state licensed, non-profit health insurance companies — to provide low-cost, consumer friendly coverage to individuals and small businesses. The theory was that since the co-ops didn’t have to show a profit, they could charge lower premiums, provide more services and be more responsive to their members. They would use collective purchasing power to lower administrative and information technology costs and keep members healthy through preventive care and evidence-based medicine.
The new plans would increase competition and lower everyone’s premiums.
Twenty-three plans, funded with $2.4 billion in government loans, opened enrollment in 2013. By the end of 2015, 12 plans had failed, leaving $1.3 billion in delinquent loans, more than 700,000 people in 13 states scrambling for coverage, and hospitals and doctors with hundreds of millions of dollars in losses uncovered by the assets of the failed co-ops.
https://www.aei.org/publication/the-continuing-failure-of-centrally-planned-health-care/
Another day, another healthcare co-op failure. In July alone, three co-ops, HealthyCt in Connecticut, Community Care of Oregon, and Land of Lincoln in Illinois announced they are closing up shop. They join 13 other failed co-ops out of the original 23 that were a centerpiece of the Affordable Care Act’s vision for the future of healthcare organization — an unrealistic vision based on wishful thinking and sabotaged by the ACA itself.......
The ACA created Consumer Operated and Oriented Plans (co-ops) — private, state licensed, non-profit health insurance companies — to provide low-cost, consumer friendly coverage to individuals and small businesses. The theory was that since the co-ops didn’t have to show a profit, they could charge lower premiums, provide more services and be more responsive to their members. They would use collective purchasing power to lower administrative and information technology costs and keep members healthy through preventive care and evidence-based medicine.
The new plans would increase competition and lower everyone’s premiums.
Twenty-three plans, funded with $2.4 billion in government loans, opened enrollment in 2013. By the end of 2015, 12 plans had failed, leaving $1.3 billion in delinquent loans, more than 700,000 people in 13 states scrambling for coverage, and hospitals and doctors with hundreds of millions of dollars in losses uncovered by the assets of the failed co-ops.
The "whole story"?
Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you
Apparently your judgment is as flawed as the pinheads that run the EPA.
If Johnson was not in compliance, the EPA would still be up his a$$.
What we do know is:
That Johnson can keep his stock pond.
The stock pond followed Wyoming regulations
Stock ponds are exempt from EPA regulations.
The EPA can get involved if the stream that was damned up for the pond opens into a navigable waterway, it never did.
The EPA over stepped it's jurisdiction & was wrong from the beginning.
He pays no fines or fees to the US government
The consent degree states "the United States, its departments or agencies, covenant not to sue or take administrative action against Mr. Johnson under the Clean Water Act” with respect to its original complaint involving the stock pond.
You were wrong a year ago about this and you're wrong today.
When you get to the bottom of this conspiracy and find the "whole truth", do let us know, won't you?
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The EPA can get involved if the stream that was damned up for the pond opens into a navigable waterway, it never did.
The EPA over stepped it's jurisdiction & was wrong from the beginning.
The EPA over stepped it's jurisdiction & was wrong from the beginning.
Those statements come from PLF, not EPA. You can depend on them if it fits your purpose.
You have attributed several statements to me that I don't remember making, but I don't have access to the original thread, so I am defenseless here.
If you look at the full terms of the settlement, Johnson gets his fish pond, and the EPA gets a restored and protected wetland (one of their favorite issues).
espoola
SILVER
Lets just admit it, master.
Im here for you, like rat used to be, but the EPA got used to push'n people around and got poked back in the chest on this one.
They sat right down and saved a little face by making this poor rancher plant a couple trees.
He's not a rancher, he's a welder.
I did?