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Lion Eyes said:
Pfffttt.
Enough folks that voted for Obama twice didn't vote for Hillary.
Same districts, same voters.
Thank god we have the electoral college and a representative democracy....
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True, just wish the Republicans had been able to see through the complete BS of Trump and nominated someone who could actually unite, understand what they are talking about and have some ability to get things done. Instead they just found the most opposite person to Obama in every way. A guy who's only perceived agenda is to wipe Obama and anything he touched off the boards. All because Obama told it like it is in regards to Trump . . . and oh yeah, made fun of him at that correspondents dinner, that was hilarious!
 
xav10 said:
The landlord. Listen, my company is real, I was fortunate to be trained in a lucrative field and decided I could make more on my own than working elsewhere.
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Most of the commercial buildings I have serviced have the tenant pay for basic maintenance, but your landlord may be different.
What do you figure your rent would be if the guy who trims the bushes, or cleans the office at night, made a starting salary of 65,000?

Is it safe to assume, you dont have anyone on your payroll who is in the "unskilled labor" category?
 
xav10 said:
Pretty much.
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I became team manager as my boys got older, so I had the folder full of birth certificates in my care. We always had at least a couple born in Mexico, plus, over the years, others born in England, France, Israel, Iceland, Japan and China.
 
xav10 said:
First, of all, nimrod, you calling the minimum wage law a "tax" doesn't make it a tax. It's not a tax. Taxes go to governments, not employees. Quit with the bullshit right-wing platitudes and get real. Secondly, get with Fathead Joe and figure out if you're angry that I'm a big earner, or is it because I'm lying about it?
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He, as he has been told to, sees wages as unnecessary burdens on employers, hence "taxes" in his cultures parlance. The, "eliminate the minimum wage" people think that would cure all our problems, or so they are told.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Why would you ask that? I am the only gringo in my crew 8 right now (3 are from the valley). There are lots of hispanic, Spanish speaking families in SoCal . . . you need to get out more often.
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I understand that, but most of them are American.
We all have the same "native tongue", unless they are first generation.
 
espola said:
I became team manager as my boys got older, so I had the folder full of birth certificates in my care. We always had at least a couple born in Mexico, plus, over the years, others born in England, France, Israel, Iceland, Japan and China.
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Always a couple, sounds about right.
On my daughter's HS team, there was one, although 90% of the team has Mexican heritage.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
Most of the commercial buildings I have serviced have the tenant pay for basic maintenance, but your landlord may be different.
What do you figure your rent would be if the guy who trims the bushes, or cleans the office at night, made a starting salary of 65,000?

Is it safe to assume, you don't have anyone on your payroll who is in the "unskilled labor" category?
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The lowest paid are clerical. One is a mom so she works from home 2 days per week. My rent would be a lot higher, but if I'm rich enough to be a building-owning landlord, I should surely pay a fair amount to the companies or workers that maintain the premises. Cesar Chavez fought those wars for the farm workers, didn't he?
 
Bernie Sanders said:
I understand that, but most of them are American.
We all have the same "native tongue", unless they are first generation.
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. . . and no, we have 3 from Mexicali (no English whatsoever), two from TJ (passable English), 1 from deep mainland Mexico (again passable English) and my boss from Lemon Grove (2nd generation, passable Spanish).
 
I am not such a lib when it comes to assimilation, however. I believe that's a necessity. Multi-racial, multi-national, multi-sexual...all cool...but I believe we should share a common American culture and language (but excluding Guy Fieri's food). The Swiss model is actually kind of interesting, where you have to bring friends and neighbors and other school parents to the hearing to show that you're assimilating with the Swiss, if you want to stick around.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
. . . and no, we have 3 from Mexicali (no English whatsoever), two from TJ (passable English), 1 from deep mainland Mexico (again passable English) and my boss from Lemon Grove (2nd generation, passable Spanish).
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. . . and oh yeah me, gringo no nabla, well, muy pequito . . . but I got the certs and training none of them have.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
From my perspective it is I who needs to assimilate to them, they are the majority in my world.
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Your boss is an American.
Its up to him, if he wants his employees to assimilate on the job.

I have seen too many workers kept from learning the language of our country through the same derogatory system.

I have a guy who works for me who has been here for thirty years, and nobody ever spoke English with him on the job.
He's finally learning.
 
xav10 said:
I am not such a lib when it comes to assimilation, however. I believe that's a necessity. Multi-racial, multi-national, multi-sexual...all cool...but I believe we should share a common American culture and language (but excluding Guy Fieri's food). The Swiss model is actually kind of interesting, where you have to bring friends and neighbors and other school parents to the hearing to show that you're assimilating with the Swiss, if you want to stick around.
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The Swiss model is not so different than the original US model.
 
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