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So to bring this back to my original point... comparing our economy to European socialist economies is apples and oranges given that we pay for the vast majority of their defense.

However much you want to claim we've made from our European trading partners, it doesn't change the fact that it's not enough to both pay to maintain peace in the West, and at the same time pay for the cushy social programs. (This is where you're going to say well we should stop paying for their defense, and I'm going to point out that Europe's military history doesn't make me think it's going to be any cheaper.)
Do you think it’s altruism that has us paying for our military to roam the earth “protecting” others? We do it as a cost of business...our government is actually funding the protection of markets for our companies. So you can’t say that “if we didn’t pay...” that’s not an option.
Trump doesn’t even understand that, which is why the corporate militarists like Cheney are so pissed at him. Trump just thinks if we ignore them and rape the environment and labor here, we can grow the economy just with US manufacturing.
 
Do you think it’s altruism that has us paying for our military to roam the earth “protecting” others? We do it as a cost of business...our government is actually funding the protection of markets for our companies. So you can’t say that “if we didn’t pay...” that’s not an option.
Trump doesn’t even understand that, which is why the corporate militarists like Cheney are so pissed at him. Trump just thinks if we ignore them and rape the environment and labor here, we can grow the economy just with US manufacturing.


You have no idea what Trump is up to......

You really should stick to finishing your homework.....
 
Do you think it’s altruism that has us paying for our military to roam the earth “protecting” others? We do it as a cost of business...our government is actually funding the protection of markets for our companies. So you can’t say that “if we didn’t pay...” that’s not an option.
Trump doesn’t even understand that, which is why the corporate militarists like Cheney are so pissed at him. Trump just thinks if we ignore them and rape the environment and labor here, we can grow the economy just with US manufacturing.

Well... what I think is a lot of our trade and defense deals feel like they are hold overs from the Cold War. IE we offer protection and sweetheart trade deals that protect our partners industries while offering unfettered trade access to the American market. Which makes sense when trying to keep fledgling democracies from falling under Soviet control. Whether it’s T or a dem, it’s now in our interest to rework a lot of those deals to better reflect the new world order... in ways that are frankly better for American interests and American workers.

I also don’t think we should give up on a Green New Deal, just we need to tie it into infrastructure spending and the farm subsidies. We need to be honest that only half of dems have/want to go to college (before we beat the student debt forgiveness drum)... and talk instead about reinvigorating the Land Grant schools to figure out better pesticides and cows that fart less (if that's such a big issue). Same with Healthcare... instead of single payer, let’s talk about how we can make Obamacare really work right.

It's time to pick our battles and talk about tangible results that will improve peoples lives right now. That’s my take.
 
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March 13, 2019
College admissions scandal: Now we know for sure that elites do not know the difference between right and wrong
By Patricia McCarthy


We are all suddenly privy to how the rich operate thanks to the breaking news of the widespread cheating by very, very wealthy people, some of them Hollywood celebrities, to get their children into the best colleges, not on merit, but by bribery. Most people have long known that the political elite pulled strings to get sub-par students into good schools; the Kennedy family comes to mind. So do the Gore family and the rest of the self-appointed best.

Those folks take their privilege for granted. They can pull those strings because they are entitled by virtue of their positions. And probably sixty percent of those who reach those levels of power got there by similar means: nepotism, money, the social connections made while at Ivy League universities, and incumbency.

Such is the character of a great number of the people who run our government and our financial institutions. Like those indicted yesterday in the admissions scandal, they are rich, so that empowers them to do whatever they want, even if they have to cheat to get it. The two actresses were front and center because they are familiar faces, but the rest of those involved are every bit as shameless, every bit as corrupt.

The rub is that they will never grasp the fact that what they've done is wrong. In their world, it is how things are done among special people. Their kids will go to the right schools and meet the right people. They were already set for life. With a bought and paid for leg up to the right school, they will be among the privileged elite all of their lives.

The fact is that this level of fraud is rampant and has been for years and years. There are psychologists, probably in every major city, who for the big bucks will write letters on behalf of normal kids of wealthy parents saying they need extra time for tests, that they have learning disabilities. This is especially true at the toniest of private schools.

The parents who send their kids to expensive pre-schools for what college used to cost will stop at nothing to ensure their children's success. Purchasing it is the most natural thing in the world to them. That they are buying unearned places in a university that may be depriving a lower-income, hardworking, talented student or athlete of a place will never occur to them. They are entitled, as Hillary was entitled to the presidency, so all her cheating was justified. It was a miracle she did not succeed, for she is as guilty of fraud as everyone involved in the admissions scandal.

Will these advantaged kids be happy? Of course, their parents believe. They will have everything, and to this crowd, having everything is what matters. They will meet and marry the right partner from an equally privileged family, and fortunes may be expanded. Clearly, these parents have no clue about character-building, letting their kids fail so they will try again to succeed on their own. Judging from the video of one the young girls who benefited from her parents' largesse, she has no sense at all of the value of education or the extent of her own good fortune. Like so many young people today, she has not an iota of gratitude for all the trappings of wealth she takes for granted

The news reports suggest that the children who were the subjects of their parents' scheme did not know of it. That is ridiculous. All kids know in their bones what their skills are; they know they did not earn those extra four hundred points on their SATs.

Will all those admitted under false pretenses be kicked out of those prestigious schools? Probably not. The Ivies do not like to admit they made mistakes in admitting any student. They will carry them, graduate them, even if they are second- or third-rate students. The stunningly ignorant Ms. Ocasio-Cortez has a degree from Boston University in economics and political science, and the woman cannot put a grammatically correct sentence together, let alone knowledgably discuss any relevant issue.

What was exposed today is a sign of such terrible rot in our body politic. While it is clear that the two actresses involved are leftists, no one yet knows the politics of the other thirty-six parents charged with a variety of crimes, all of whom paid to get their kids into fancy schools under false pretenses. While it is tempting to assume they are all leftists, that is not a safe bet since the establishment denizens of the D.C. swamp tend to share a similar and astonishing lack of American values once held dear and taken for granted by their constituents.

Let us hope and pray that shining a light on this despicable practice will bring it to an end, but old habits die hard. The rich are not likely to give up their access to power and privilege without a fight.

We are all suddenly privy to how the rich operate thanks to the breaking news of the widespread cheating by very, very wealthy people, some of them Hollywood celebrities, to get their children into the best colleges, not on merit, but by bribery. Most people have long known that the political elite pulled strings to get sub-par students into good schools; the Kennedy family comes to mind. So do the Gore family and the rest of the self-appointed best.

Those folks take their privilege for granted. They can pull those strings because they are entitled by virtue of their positions. And probably sixty percent of those who reach those levels of power got there by similar means: nepotism, money, the social connections made while at Ivy League universities, and incumbency.

Such is the character of a great number of the people who run our government and our financial institutions. Like those indicted yesterday in the admissions scandal, they are rich, so that empowers them to do whatever they want, even if they have to cheat to get it. The two actresses were front and center because they are familiar faces, but the rest of those involved are every bit as shameless, every bit as corrupt.

The rub is that they will never grasp the fact that what they've done is wrong. In their world, it is how things are done among special people. Their kids will go to the right schools and meet the right people. They were already set for life. With a bought and paid for leg up to the right school, they will be among the privileged elite all of their lives.

The fact is that this level of fraud is rampant and has been for years and years. There are psychologists, probably in every major city, who for the big bucks will write letters on behalf of normal kids of wealthy parents saying they need extra time for tests, that they have learning disabilities. This is especially true at the toniest of private schools.


The parents who send their kids to expensive pre-schools for what college used to cost will stop at nothing to ensure their children's success. Purchasing it is the most natural thing in the world to them. That they are buying unearned places in a university that may be depriving a lower-income, hardworking, talented student or athlete of a place will never occur to them. They are entitled, as Hillary was entitled to the presidency, so all her cheating was justified. It was a miracle she did not succeed, for she is as guilty of fraud as everyone involved in the admissions scandal.

Will these advantaged kids be happy? Of course, their parents believe. They will have everything, and to this crowd, having everything is what matters. They will meet and marry the right partner from an equally privileged family, and fortunes may be expanded. Clearly, these parents have no clue about character-building, letting their kids fail so they will try again to succeed on their own. Judging from the video of one the young girls who benefited from her parents' largesse, she has no sense at all of the value of education or the extent of her own good fortune. Like so many young people today, she has not an iota of gratitude for all the trappings of wealth she takes for granted.



The news reports suggest that the children who were the subjects of their parents' scheme did not know of it. That is ridiculous. All kids know in their bones what their skills are; they know they did not earn those extra four hundred points on their SATs.

Will all those admitted under false pretenses be kicked out of those prestigious schools? Probably not. The Ivies do not like to admit they made mistakes in admitting any student. They will carry them, graduate them, even if they are second- or third-rate students. The stunningly ignorant Ms. Ocasio-Cortez has a degree from Boston University in economics and political science, and the woman cannot put a grammatically correct sentence together, let alone knowledgably discuss any relevant issue.

What was exposed today is a sign of such terrible rot in our body politic. While it is clear that the two actresses involved are leftists, no one yet knows the politics of the other thirty-six parents charged with a variety of crimes, all of whom paid to get their kids into fancy schools under false pretenses. While it is tempting to assume they are all leftists, that is not a safe bet since the establishment denizens of the D.C. swamp tend to share a similar and astonishing lack of American values once held dear and taken for granted by their constituents.

Let us hope and pray that shining a light on this despicable practice will bring it to an end, but old habits die hard. The rich are not likely to give up their access to power and privilege without a fight.
 
March 13, 2019
College admissions scandal: Now we know for sure that elites do not know the difference between right and wrong
By Patricia McCarthy


We are all suddenly privy to how the rich operate thanks to the breaking news of the widespread cheating by very, very wealthy people, some of them Hollywood celebrities, to get their children into the best colleges, not on merit, but by bribery. Most people have long known that the political elite pulled strings to get sub-par students into good schools; the Kennedy family comes to mind. So do the Gore family and the rest of the self-appointed best.

Those folks take their privilege for granted. They can pull those strings because they are entitled by virtue of their positions. And probably sixty percent of those who reach those levels of power got there by similar means: nepotism, money, the social connections made while at Ivy League universities, and incumbency.

Such is the character of a great number of the people who run our government and our financial institutions. Like those indicted yesterday in the admissions scandal, they are rich, so that empowers them to do whatever they want, even if they have to cheat to get it. The two actresses were front and center because they are familiar faces, but the rest of those involved are every bit as shameless, every bit as corrupt.

The rub is that they will never grasp the fact that what they've done is wrong. In their world, it is how things are done among special people. Their kids will go to the right schools and meet the right people. They were already set for life. With a bought and paid for leg up to the right school, they will be among the privileged elite all of their lives.

The fact is that this level of fraud is rampant and has been for years and years. There are psychologists, probably in every major city, who for the big bucks will write letters on behalf of normal kids of wealthy parents saying they need extra time for tests, that they have learning disabilities. This is especially true at the toniest of private schools.

The parents who send their kids to expensive pre-schools for what college used to cost will stop at nothing to ensure their children's success. Purchasing it is the most natural thing in the world to them. That they are buying unearned places in a university that may be depriving a lower-income, hardworking, talented student or athlete of a place will never occur to them. They are entitled, as Hillary was entitled to the presidency, so all her cheating was justified. It was a miracle she did not succeed, for she is as guilty of fraud as everyone involved in the admissions scandal.

Will these advantaged kids be happy? Of course, their parents believe. They will have everything, and to this crowd, having everything is what matters. They will meet and marry the right partner from an equally privileged family, and fortunes may be expanded. Clearly, these parents have no clue about character-building, letting their kids fail so they will try again to succeed on their own. Judging from the video of one the young girls who benefited from her parents' largesse, she has no sense at all of the value of education or the extent of her own good fortune. Like so many young people today, she has not an iota of gratitude for all the trappings of wealth she takes for granted

The news reports suggest that the children who were the subjects of their parents' scheme did not know of it. That is ridiculous. All kids know in their bones what their skills are; they know they did not earn those extra four hundred points on their SATs.

Will all those admitted under false pretenses be kicked out of those prestigious schools? Probably not. The Ivies do not like to admit they made mistakes in admitting any student. They will carry them, graduate them, even if they are second- or third-rate students. The stunningly ignorant Ms. Ocasio-Cortez has a degree from Boston University in economics and political science, and the woman cannot put a grammatically correct sentence together, let alone knowledgably discuss any relevant issue.

What was exposed today is a sign of such terrible rot in our body politic. While it is clear that the two actresses involved are leftists, no one yet knows the politics of the other thirty-six parents charged with a variety of crimes, all of whom paid to get their kids into fancy schools under false pretenses. While it is tempting to assume they are all leftists, that is not a safe bet since the establishment denizens of the D.C. swamp tend to share a similar and astonishing lack of American values once held dear and taken for granted by their constituents.

Let us hope and pray that shining a light on this despicable practice will bring it to an end, but old habits die hard. The rich are not likely to give up their access to power and privilege without a fight.

We are all suddenly privy to how the rich operate thanks to the breaking news of the widespread cheating by very, very wealthy people, some of them Hollywood celebrities, to get their children into the best colleges, not on merit, but by bribery. Most people have long known that the political elite pulled strings to get sub-par students into good schools; the Kennedy family comes to mind. So do the Gore family and the rest of the self-appointed best.

Those folks take their privilege for granted. They can pull those strings because they are entitled by virtue of their positions. And probably sixty percent of those who reach those levels of power got there by similar means: nepotism, money, the social connections made while at Ivy League universities, and incumbency.

Such is the character of a great number of the people who run our government and our financial institutions. Like those indicted yesterday in the admissions scandal, they are rich, so that empowers them to do whatever they want, even if they have to cheat to get it. The two actresses were front and center because they are familiar faces, but the rest of those involved are every bit as shameless, every bit as corrupt.

The rub is that they will never grasp the fact that what they've done is wrong. In their world, it is how things are done among special people. Their kids will go to the right schools and meet the right people. They were already set for life. With a bought and paid for leg up to the right school, they will be among the privileged elite all of their lives.

The fact is that this level of fraud is rampant and has been for years and years. There are psychologists, probably in every major city, who for the big bucks will write letters on behalf of normal kids of wealthy parents saying they need extra time for tests, that they have learning disabilities. This is especially true at the toniest of private schools.


The parents who send their kids to expensive pre-schools for what college used to cost will stop at nothing to ensure their children's success. Purchasing it is the most natural thing in the world to them. That they are buying unearned places in a university that may be depriving a lower-income, hardworking, talented student or athlete of a place will never occur to them. They are entitled, as Hillary was entitled to the presidency, so all her cheating was justified. It was a miracle she did not succeed, for she is as guilty of fraud as everyone involved in the admissions scandal.

Will these advantaged kids be happy? Of course, their parents believe. They will have everything, and to this crowd, having everything is what matters. They will meet and marry the right partner from an equally privileged family, and fortunes may be expanded. Clearly, these parents have no clue about character-building, letting their kids fail so they will try again to succeed on their own. Judging from the video of one the young girls who benefited from her parents' largesse, she has no sense at all of the value of education or the extent of her own good fortune. Like so many young people today, she has not an iota of gratitude for all the trappings of wealth she takes for granted.



The news reports suggest that the children who were the subjects of their parents' scheme did not know of it. That is ridiculous. All kids know in their bones what their skills are; they know they did not earn those extra four hundred points on their SATs.

Will all those admitted under false pretenses be kicked out of those prestigious schools? Probably not. The Ivies do not like to admit they made mistakes in admitting any student. They will carry them, graduate them, even if they are second- or third-rate students. The stunningly ignorant Ms. Ocasio-Cortez has a degree from Boston University in economics and political science, and the woman cannot put a grammatically correct sentence together, let alone knowledgably discuss any relevant issue.

What was exposed today is a sign of such terrible rot in our body politic. While it is clear that the two actresses involved are leftists, no one yet knows the politics of the other thirty-six parents charged with a variety of crimes, all of whom paid to get their kids into fancy schools under false pretenses. While it is tempting to assume they are all leftists, that is not a safe bet since the establishmentQUOTE]

One thing this confirms for sure. Those Trump boys didn’t get into their schools on merit!
 
So to bring this back to my original point... comparing our economy to European socialist economies is apples and oranges given that we pay for the vast majority of their defense.

However much you want to claim we've made from our European trading partners, it doesn't change the fact that it's not enough to both pay to maintain peace in the West, and at the same time pay for the cushy social programs. (This is where you're going to say well we should stop paying for their defense, and I'm going to point out that Europe's military history doesn't make me think it's going to be any cheaper.)
It's the 'price of doing business' in a safe, prosperous world. The US, and the world, wouldn't be anywhere near where they are today if the US had pulled back into an isolationist position.
 
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