Placer United stirring it up

Maskless said:
Nice try, but you failed to provide any facts.

"placers DA teams were good enough to get granted ECNL." - This is an opinion. The fact is they didn't get ECNL.

"The most likely reason they didn’t get it is proximity to Davis and SJ and maybe not having their own fields." - This is conjecture. Not a fact.

"Also the new leadership at placer is solid" - Another opinion. I hope it gets better. The last chair, I heard, was a proponent of the Defensive Marriage Act and partnered with a big tobacco proponent. If true, hardly the type to have everyone's best interest in mind. It seems that mindset carried over to the club. This is another example of conjecture as opposed to fact. Personally I doubt that was the case.

"I won’t be surprised if they take a excel in the coming years." - Another opinion.

"In the coming years" That doesn't sound like anytime soon.

I know it can be hard to shift paradigms when the facts don't line up with what you want to believe. Yes there are some good players at the older ages but its hard for them to leave at a late stage. At this point it's an irrefutable dumpster fire when the facts we know are examined. In the coming years the flames will die out, the wreckage will be examined, and then we can evaluate the impact this had on Placer. Right now, the shitter is full at Placer. But at least there's a warm fire to huddle around during the winter. Also, try coffee, it might help.
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Outlaw, is this you? Be honest with us Maskless. I like the avatar name. Can you give us the true meaning on the name and why you picked it? Welcome back or welcome to the forum.
 
Maskless said:
Nice try, but you failed to provide any facts.

"placers DA teams were good enough to get granted ECNL." - This is an opinion. The fact is they didn't get ECNL.

"The most likely reason they didn’t get it is proximity to Davis and SJ and maybe not having their own fields." - This is conjecture. Not a fact.

"Also the new leadership at placer is solid" - Another opinion. I hope it gets better. The last chair, I heard, was a proponent of the Defensive Marriage Act and partnered with a big tobacco proponent. If true, hardly the type to have everyone's best interest in mind. It seems that mindset carried over to the club. This is another example of conjecture as opposed to fact. Personally I doubt that was the case.

"I won’t be surprised if they take a excel in the coming years." - Another opinion.

"In the coming years" That doesn't sound like anytime soon.

I know it can be hard to shift paradigms when the facts don't line up with what you want to believe. Yes there are some good players at the older ages but its hard for them to leave at a late stage. At this point it's an irrefutable dumpster fire when the facts we know are examined. In the coming years the flames will die out, the wreckage will be examined, and then we can evaluate the impact this had on Placer. Right now, the shitter is full at Placer. But at least there's a warm fire to huddle around during the winter. Also, try coffee, it might help.
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It is amusing that you accuse others of having opinions, and then write “the shitter is full at Placer". (Apparently this counts as objective fact.)

I can only assume you work for Honey Bucket and have the inside scoop about whose porta-potties are due for a cleaning.

Good luck to the kids at Placer and elsewhere. And thanks for the sanitation help.
 
crush said:
Outlaw, is this you? Be honest with us Maskless. I like the avatar name. Can you give us the true meaning on the name and why you picked it? Welcome back or welcome to the forum.
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Thanks for the welcome. I have no idea who Outlaw is except for a few of the posts I've seen. It's clubs like Placer that make people question who is honest and what is the truth bc they intentionally lead people to the wrong conclusions with not untrue facts. For example, the sky is black. It's this tactic at Placer that stifles conversations and questions among parents for fear of retribution.
 
dad4 said:
It is amusing that you accuse others of having opinions, and then write “the shitter is full at Placer". (Apparently this counts as objective fact.)

I can only assume you work for Honey Bucket and have the inside scoop about whose porta-potties are due for a cleaning.

Good luck to the kids at Placer and elsewhere. And thanks for the sanitation help.
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dad4 said:
It is amusing that you accuse others of having opinions, and then write “the shitter is full at Placer". (Apparently this counts as objective fact.)

I can only assume you work for Honey Bucket and have the inside scoop about whose porta-potties are due for a cleaning.

Good luck to the kids at Placer and elsewhere. And thanks for the sanitation help.
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Ugh. Maybe I'll come back to this one later. But true to form at Placer, denigrate and disparage others to prove your point.
 
Maskless said:
Ugh. Maybe I'll come back to this one later. But true to form at Placer, denigrate and disparage others to prove your point.
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Huh? The guy whose metaphors are toilets and dumpsters suddenly objects to denigration?

LMAO.

Enjoy your work at Honey Bucket. Life really wouldnt be the same without you.
 
Maskless said:
Ugh. Maybe I'll come back to this one later. But true to form at Placer, denigrate and disparage others to prove your point.
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The intra-regional hate among the Excremento crowd (since we’re using potty language in this thread) is the main reason the region consistently underwhelms. They’re more interested in winning today at all costs than developing players, but trying to make their local competitors fail is the most important thing of all up there.

Are you trying to be ironic when you “denigrate and disparage” a club by accusing them of doing it?
 
I admit I follow the NorCal boys more than the girls but I think I remember placer 05 girls going to 3 state cup finals and winning 1 or 2 of them. Then they went DA and and got more talent, but I’m sure this wouldn’t put them at an average ECNL level. I watched the placer 05&04 girls play a bit last year and both were very solid. As far as new DOC’s Benjamin and unsworth are good coaches and care about the kids a lot. Does this mean the club will have good success? We will see but it’s a good starting point. Attention Everyone these are opinions and not fact.
 
Ksoccer07 said:
I admit I follow the NorCal boys more than the girls but I think I remember placer 05 girls going to 3 state cup finals and winning 1 or 2 of them. Then they went DA and and got more talent, but I’m sure this wouldn’t put them at an average ECNL level. I watched the placer 05&04 girls play a bit last year and both were very solid. As far as new DOC’s Benjamin and unsworth are good coaches and care about the kids a lot. Does this mean the club will have good success? We will see but it’s a good starting point. Attention Everyone these are opinions and not fact.
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dad4 said:
Huh? The guy whose metaphors are toilets and dumpsters suddenly objects to denigration?

LMAO.

Enjoy your work at Honey Bucket. Life really wouldnt be the same without you.
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dad4 said:
It is amusing that you accuse others of having opinions, and then write “the shitter is full at Placer". (Apparently this counts as objective fact.)

I can only assume you work for Honey Bucket and have the inside scoop about whose porta-potties are due for a cleaning.

Good luck to the kids at Placer and elsewhere. And thanks for the sanitation help.
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Hey, Maskless Shitter #2 needs attention...may want to bring the snake.
 
Both of my daughters teams played against Placer and Placer was always pretty solid at the top end, but didn't seem to have depth in the Club (more of a drop from top to 2nd team). So that might have been something that ECNL looked at along with Davis and San Juan already in the area as a pairing (Pleasanton/Mustang, Marin/Santa Rosa, MVLA/Thorns) in addition to some of the trouble that people mention on here.
 
youthsportsugghhh said:
Both of my daughters teams played against Placer and Placer was always pretty solid at the top end, but didn't seem to have depth in the Club (more of a drop from top to 2nd team). So that might have been something that ECNL looked at along with Davis and San Juan already in the area as a pairing (Pleasanton/Mustang, Marin/Santa Rosa, MVLA/Thorns) in addition to some of the trouble that people mention on here.
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There is a lot of truth to this as well. Several top teams would be loaded while the second teams would struggle. You'd have those 1 or 2 players on the second teams that by all means deserved to be playing up-but they got overlooked for whatever reason and got fed up and left. Leaving the second teams worse off than before. All that said, maybe that's an overall club thing? I don't really know.
 
soccer4us said:
For anyone who thinks Placer didn't get into ECNL because of on field reasons is lying to themselves or don't know the level of play well enough. Not saying I blame SJ/Davis but clearly why would they want a 3rd club in the region in ECNL?
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So are the boys different? Because the Placer boys got ECNL. I guess I don't understand why they would but the girls didn't.
 
soccer4us said:
For anyone who thinks Placer didn't get into ECNL because of on field reasons is lying to themselves or don't know the level of play well enough. Not saying I blame SJ/Davis but clearly why would they want a 3rd club in the region in ECNL?
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This is what I heard (not first-hand) - same thing with Bay Area (formerly Earthquakes). Personally, I would have loved to have both in ECNL - less travel and at least as good, likely better, than most teams we travel to play in the NW in the age groups I saw.
 
Glitterhater said:
So are the boys different? Because the Placer boys got ECNL. I guess I don't understand why they would but the girls didn't.
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Both the 04 and 05 Placer girls teams were significantly better than the average ECNL team. The 05’s (who had 4 YNT pool players) beat all 3 ECNL opponents they faced last season and beat one local founding ECNL 05 team by 5 goals (the 04’s tied that same club, whose 04 team is top 10 nationally). Placer had club wide friendlies against another local ECNL club, but Placer played their teams up an age group to even things out.
Both the Quakes (now Bay Area FC) and Placer girls did not get ECNL, but would have likely been national contenders in both the 04 and 05 age groups if they had. I wish I had direct insight into how clubs were chosen this year, but I can only guess that as others have said, such is how it goes when founding members who are in direct competition have input into the selection process.
 
Glitterhater said:
So are the boys different? Because the Placer boys got ECNL. I guess I don't understand why they would but the girls didn't.
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Yes. Nor Cal is kinda running the nor cal division of boys ecnl. They have partnership with ECNL where 6 ecnl clubs plus 4 nor cal clubs choose by nor cal are part of the boys side. Much different set up to the girls.

Same reason why Quakes/FC Bay Area didn't get in is MVLA/Thorns but more so MVLA I'm thinking saying "ummm I don't think so. Like many things in life, It's who you know, not what you know that often matters in the end.
 
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