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[dad4]

You're going to have to accept a ton of deaths to reach a 20% infection rate. Sweden hasn't managed to reach 10% yet by keeping society pretty wide open:

"Regardless of whether herd immunity is a goal or a side effect of the Swedish strategy, how has it worked out? Not so well, according to the agency’s own test results. The proportion of Swedes carrying antibodies is estimated to be under 10%, thus nowhere near herd immunity. And yet, the Swedish death rate is unnerving. Sweden has a death toll greater than the United States: 556 deaths per million inhabitants, compared with 425, as of July 20.

Sweden also has a death toll more than four and a half times greater than that of the other four Nordic countries combined — more than seven times greater per million inhabitants. For a number of weeks, Sweden has been among the top in the world when it comes to current reported deaths per capita. And despite this, the strategy in essence remains the same."

Sweden hoped herd immunity would curb COVID-19. Don't do what we did. It's not working.

If we can extrapolate to 1,000 per million deaths (roughly 556 * 2) to get to 20% infection in USA, that's 330,000 dead.

I think the bigger catch is that it all falls apart if we think it’s over and go back to 2019 behavior. If we do that, 20% is not enough.

If actual cases are 10X confirmed cases, AZ is already at 20%. (along with NY, NJ, Louisiana). That won’t help much if they throw the masks away and open it all up again. But it may decline the next few weeks if they keep the masks and distance rules.

 

[whatithink]

I'm well aware that 10-19 age group is more likely to contract and spread Covid relative to 0-10 year olds. You know who else is aware of that fact? American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Academy of Medicine and many epidemiologists and other medical professionals that still believe kids should be back at school. Again we can't look at reopening schools through only a Covid lens.

I just posted in reply to your "haven't seen a study" comment. I want my kids back in school and playing soccer for that matter. If the price of getting the economy back on track is that they miss both for a few more months, then I'm ok with that - not my preferred stance though.

If getting kids in school is critical to getting the economy up and running, then I look forward to Congress and the President's next COVID19 give away which will therefore, surely, be crammed full of funds to ensure that schools can be as safe as possible ... for the adults who are critical to making school happen. I also look forward to their plan to get all that spent and implemented in the next few weeks!

 

[dad4]

Fair point. I've not seen any material evidence of serious or fatal spread from children to adults. There might be some anecdotal evidence out there, IDK. Those adults that have vulnerable health conditions should already be quarantining from exposure to others.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Academy of Medicine, and many other medical professionals have published their unequivocal opinion that kids need to be back at school, because the other risks of not returning to school are far greater than the Covid risks. Your mantra has always been are "you an Epidemiologist?". Well the NY Times surveyed epidemiologists and 70% said that they would have their children return to school this summer or fall. (I'm sure you'll disparage the article because it was from June, but the reality is that the only thing that has changed from then and now are the hotspots).

I'm not saying that every kid should be required to go back to school, all I'm asking for is a choice. My son's school district announced that parents would have a choice of 100% online, 100% in school (capacity permitting), or 50/50. Unfortunately, our Governor ignored the science, under pressure from the teacher's union that is pushing a political agenda, and took that choice away.

At this point I couldn't care less about youth sports, I just want my kids, and other kids who so choose, to be back in school in the fall.

The South Korea study from last week showed teenagers are roughly as contagious as adults.

Before that, I assumed teenagers were significantly lass contagious than 20-39 year olds.

 

[Luis Andres]

Not that I am aware of. I find it hard to believe that parents are willing to put their families health at risk for soccer. Maybe it’s the clubs or folks that profit from soccer that are promoting this foolishness.

My kids club has a financial incentive to keep my kid safe because they are focused on developing her to maximize her potential as opposed to collecting fees. I suspect my kid will be one of the first youth players that resume practice in a legitimate fashion and that has not happened yet. Nor do I expect it to happen anytime soon.

and I was under the impression that you had a goat. Here everything is closed but the Hispanic boy leagues. And that’s where we are playing. They ain’t gonna stop playing soccer cause of some virus that is not even effecting kids. The kids in Florida, Texas are playing and you ain’t hearing any stories of these kids getting sick & ending up at the hospital. If you ain’t training and or playing this year you will fall behind for sure to the ones that are putting in the extra work. I’m seeing it first hand. It’s not rocket science what you put in you get back. And if you ain’t putting in now you ain’t growing. It’s not about profiting but it’s about not living your life in fear and being brain washed by this socialist government in California.

 

[Luis Andres]

Was just thinking about this #foodforthought

Orange County population 3 million
Riverside population 2.4 million
San Diego population 1.4 million
La county population 10 million
San Bernardino county 2.1 million

Orange County where the Cali cowboys live, no one wears masks and they seem to ignore 6ft social distancing guidelines, seen it first hand. Shouldn’t they have at least twice the amount of cases than the rest of the top counties given that they have more people living in the county not wearing the masks and not social distancing ? Things don’t add up. Not saying to not wear a mask but just things don’t add up. Cause the rest of these counties wear masks.

 

[Luis Andres]

Here is the reality folks. If governor Newsom all of a sudden morphed into Governor De Santis from Florida and yelled “Let the Games Begin” everyone would be out there social distancing with masks at these games making it work like they are doing in Florida. I’m certain we would have 90% of the youth soccer world back out there in tournaments and parents following the rules and guidelines of course and we would be just fine like they are doing in Texas and Florida . But because the carnival barker tells us that we can’t even go to the park by ourselves, everyone is hiding under a rock and it’s the 10% that are out there still training following masks and social distancing guidelines and staying away from 90% of the brain washed mob that are making progress and getting ahead. Parks are empty and you can now come out from under neath the Newsom rock, but stay away from the cowboys and the sheeple mob and you’ll be doing just fine and making progress in 2020

, w

 

[MacDre]

and I was under the impression that you had a goat. Here everything is closed but the Hispanic boy leagues. And that’s where we are playing. They ain’t gonna stop playing soccer cause of some virus that is not even effecting kids. The kids in Florida, Texas are playing and you ain’t hearing any stories of these kids getting sick & ending up at the hospital. If you ain’t training and or playing this year you will fall behind for sure to the ones that are putting in the extra work. I’m seeing it first hand. It’s not rocket science what you put in you get back. And if you ain’t putting in now you ain’t growing. It’s not about profiting but it’s about not living your life in fear and being brain washed by this socialist government in California.

Cream rises homie. If you have to practice to the point where you life has no balance, then you’ll never go “platinum.” One more thing, if you kid is not capable of excelling in multiple sports they really don’t have a chance of playing any sport at a higher level. Shot out to the “all American athletes” out there and to hell with these over specialized one-trick-ponies.

 

[Luis Andres]

Cream rises homie. If you have to practice to the point where you life has no balance, then you’ll never go “platinum.” One more thing, if you kid is not capable of excelling in multiple sports they really don’t have a chance of playing any sport at a higher level. Shot out to the “all American athletes” out there and to hell with these over specialized one-trick-ponies.

who says it’s just about playing one sport. It’s good to play multiple I agree. But soccer is a sport that requires mastery of technicals skills. If you just got speed you might get somewhere in the sport but if you got both you will dominate. Slow feet don’t eat. Gotta train those feet daily and there is always time to do the other things that keeps them sane during these times. No excuse homie.

 

[notintheface]

Here is the reality folks. If governor Newsom all of a sudden morphed into Governor De Santis from Florida and yelled “Let the Games Begin” everyone would be out there social distancing with masks at these games making it work like they are doing in Florida.

Uh - except Florida is outpacing California in number of cases with a little over half the population. That isn't "making it work".

 

[watfly]

If getting kids in school is critical to getting the economy up and running, then I look forward to Congress and the President's next COVID19 give away which will therefore, surely, be crammed full of funds to ensure that schools can be as safe as possible ... for the adults who are critical to making school happen. I also look forward to their plan to get all that spent and implemented in the next few weeks!

I agree 100% for the school funding. Is the $70 billion offered by the President not sufficient.? If its not, then talk to the leftist legislators that want to incentivize not working or writing checks to illegals. What I don't want to happen is that we act like opening schools is so complicated. The CDC has step-by-step guidelines for schools that aren't too onerous and has been out for weeks. I also don't want the school money to be abused by the unions or schools, there needs to be some accountability, which hasn't happened with the PPP money.

If schools are just now working on their reopening plans that is shameful. As a matter of note, we've been able to open our youth clubhouses, that serve dozens if not hundreds, with common sense protections without significant cost. I know it can be done since I've seen it in live action.

 

[Luis Andres]

Uh - except Florida is outpacing California in number of cases with a little over half the population. That isn't "making it work".

where are the stories of the healthy soccer community over there ending up in hospitals with covid. No reports of kids or parents. I’m following it closely and they can serve as our guinea pigs.

 

[GT45]

Uh - except Florida is outpacing California in number of cases with a little over half the population. That isn't "making it work".

Yeah not sure how this poster can use Texas and Florida as model examples when they are two of the hardest hit states right now.

 

[Chalklines]

and I was under the impression that you had a goat. Here everything is closed but the Hispanic boy leagues. And that’s where we are playing. They ain’t gonna stop playing soccer cause of some virus that is not even effecting kids. The kids in Florida, Texas are playing and you ain’t hearing any stories of these kids getting sick & ending up at the hospital. If you ain’t training and or playing this year you will fall behind for sure to the ones that are putting in the extra work. I’m seeing it first hand. It’s not rocket science what you put in you get back. And if you ain’t putting in now you ain’t growing. It’s not about profiting but it’s about not living your life in fear and being brain washed by this socialist government in California.

Only problem I see is if anyone playing is still having team practices who's showing up to play. If that's the case it's 100% selfish becuse that entire club runs the risk of shutting down if one of those kids shows up and plays with the virus and passes it on. Honestly as a parent right now I would want to know if any of the girls on my daughter's team was frolicking in LAs Corona hot bed playing a pick up in a Mexican soccer league.

 

[notintheface]

where are the stories of the healthy soccer community over there ending up in hospitals with covid. No reports of kids or parents. I’m following it closely and they can serve as our guinea pigs.

I'll give you a pass since you've been away from the forums, but you're entering into a circular argument.

First you say, "kids aren't getting it and if they do they aren't getting hit hard".

Then anyone else is going to say, "yeah, but you do know how a virus works, right?"

Then you'll say "okay but only keep the potentially hard-hit people home".

Then someone else is going to say "that's what we are doing and people are choosing to stay home".

Then you'll say "okay but now you're being sheeple".

Then the non sequiturs start flying.

Instead, I'll ask one simple question: what would it take for you to change your mind about the potential danger of the virus?

 

[Sheriff Joe]

It will all be over on the second Tuesday in November, one way or another.

 

[Luis Andres]

Only problem I see is if anyone playing is still having team practices who's showing up to play. If that's the case it's 100% selfish becuse that entire club runs the risk of shutting down if one of those kids shows up and plays with the virus and passes it on. Honestly as a parent right now I would want to know if any of the girls on my daughter's team was frolicking in LAs Corona hot bed playing a pick up in a Mexican soccer league.

I should rephrase it to that’s where we will be playing. We haven’t started that league yet as I’m putting together a road team as a back up plan but we have been doing technical trainings that meet social distancing requirements. If all tournaments are cancelled next month and there is no season, which we will know sometime next month then at that point, we’ll play in the Hispanic league for the rest of the year. I don’t see a way for tournaments to happen with 100’s of people attending unless we can test for covid prior to starting the tournament.

 

[MacDre]

who says it’s just about playing one sport. It’s good to play multiple I agree. But soccer is a sport that requires mastery of technicals skills. If you just got speed you might get somewhere in the sport but if you got both you will dominate. Slow feet don’t eat. Gotta train those feet daily and there is always time to do the other things that keeps them sane during these times. No excuse homie.

Can’t train speed. You can work by yourself with a ball and a wall. Playing others sports and learning other movements also helps to reduce injuries.

 

[Luis Andres]

I'll give you a pass since you've been away from the forums, but you're entering into a circular argument.

First you say, "kids aren't getting it and if they do they aren't getting hit hard".

Then anyone else is going to say, "yeah, but you do know how a virus works, right?"

Then you'll say "okay but only keep the potentially hard-hit people home".

Then someone else is going to say "that's what we are doing and people are choosing to stay home".

Then you'll say "okay but now you're being sheeple".

Then the non sequiturs start flying.

Instead, I'll ask one simple question: what would it take for you to change your mind about the potential danger of the virus?

My proposition to Newsom:
If we protect people that are 65 and over and anyone with underlying conditions from 50-65 range and the rest of this group with n95 masks. Have the 65+ (retired) Quarantine and wait for the vaccine. While the rest of us the healthy population build herd immunity. Covid becomes the flu after removing the population most at risk = Ages 50+ It approaches the flu when we further realize the fact we are not even considering the undetected cases out there that are not part of the total number of cases discovered greater than 40% asymptomatic. And not considering if you take the additional step to further quarantine obesity (43%) and people with underlying conditions from the 0-49 age group. Then you are dealing with the flu at 0.1% death rate. 30% of the population needs to be in quarantine and more than 1/2 of this group is already retired. We need logical solutions that come with options. We can’t take the communist approach. Of everybody locked down. ‍♂

COVID-19 Data from COVID19 CA GOV site as of 7/16/2020

(Click the bars to see the specific numbers)

Positive Cases Ages 0-17 = 29,945
Deaths ages 0-17 = 0
Percentage of Deaths with Cases = 0%

Positive Cases Ages 18-49 = 213,083
Deaths Ages 18-49 = 477
Percentage of Deaths with Cases = 0.22%
(Mask)

Positive Cases Ages 50-64 = 69,998
Deaths Ages 50-64 = 1,238
Percentage of Deaths with Cases = 1.76%
(Quarantine or n95 mask)

Positive Cases 65 & Older = 42,748
Deaths Ages 65 & Older = 5,568
Percentage of Deaths 65 & Older = 13.02% (Quarantine)

Percentage of Deaths by Ages
0-17 = 0%
18-49 = 7% wear masks
50-64 = 17% wear masks n95 or quarantine
65 & Older = 77% Quarantine

Percentage of CA Population by Ages
0-17 years old = 23% of CA population
18-49 years old = 44% of CA population
50-64 years old = 18% of CA population
65 years & older = 16% of CA population

Tableau

public.tableau.com

 

[Luis Andres]

Can’t train speed. You can work by yourself with a ball and a wall. Playing others sports and learning other movements also helps to reduce injuries.

I don’t disagree with you there. You can’t make someone who is slow fast but you can improve someone who’s fast with training for speed. Playing other sports is a plus to make a well rounded athlete.

 

[MacDre]

I don’t disagree with you there. You can’t make someone who is slow fast but you can improve someone who’s fast with training for speed. Playing other sports is a plus to make a well rounded athlete.

Accordingly, all youth soccer players should forgo the spring soccer season and run track instead.

 

[Luis Andres]

Accordingly, all youth soccer players should forgo the spring soccer season and run track instead.

Track seems feasible especially during covid. I’m actually looking for track teams near my area. After watching my daughter hang with a current track star on her soccer team, I’ve convinced her to start track this year. She may not have a shot at the 100m vs the top ones out there but she has potential to run the 400 and the 800. She’s got great soccer speed and I’m really curious to see how her speed fairs against the track star goats out there in 2020