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[watfly]

You’re asking the wrong question when you ask whether the virus is dangerous to kids. The question is the degree to which a kid gathering is dangerous to grown ups.

Fair point. I've not seen any material evidence of serious or fatal spread from children to adults. There might be some anecdotal evidence out there, IDK. Those adults that have vulnerable health conditions should already be quarantining from exposure to others.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Academy of Medicine, and many other medical professionals have published their unequivocal opinion that kids need to be back at school, because the other risks of not returning to school are far greater than the Covid risks. Your mantra has always been are "you an Epidemiologist?". Well the NY Times surveyed epidemiologists and 70% said that they would have their children return to school this summer or fall. (I'm sure you'll disparage the article because it was from June, but the reality is that the only thing that has changed from then and now are the hotspots).

I'm not saying that every kid should be required to go back to school, all I'm asking for is a choice. My son's school district announced that parents would have a choice of 100% online, 100% in school (capacity permitting), or 50/50. Unfortunately, our Governor ignored the science, under pressure from the teacher's union that is pushing a political agenda, and took that choice away.

At this point I couldn't care less about youth sports, I just want my kids, and other kids who so choose, to be back in school in the fall.

 

[MacDre]

A business can be rebuilt, Dre, but that's a livelihood that isn't easily rebuilt. What do people do, in the interim? There's been 1 "stimulus" payment since this began. Yet again they're "thinking... pondering... considering... taking a look at..." And if they do come up with another $1,200, how long will that last? Unemployment checks are taking 3-4 months and some still have not been paid. What are those people supposed to do?

It’s bad out there and unfortunately I think it’s going to get worse before it gets better. I have moved 2 separate families into my house (my neighbors are pissed) since the beginning of COVID. I think we are all in for some tough times in the near future.

 

[SoccerLocker]

I don’t think the whole thing is a fake. Our government can’t build a bridge in less than 8 years. And you think they managed to fake an international virus pandemic?

We may be hitting a downward trend in cases, though. AZ seems to have peaked. FL and GA may be peaking as well. Hope it is true more broadly.

My guess is that a 20% infection rate + masks + distancing is enough to make the numbers decline. The more consistent we are about masks and distance, the lower that percentage gets.

You're going to have to accept a ton of deaths to reach a 20% infection rate. Sweden hasn't managed to reach 10% yet by keeping society pretty wide open:

"Regardless of whether herd immunity is a goal or a side effect of the Swedish strategy, how has it worked out? Not so well, according to the agency’s own test results. The proportion of Swedes carrying antibodies is estimated to be under 10%, thus nowhere near herd immunity. And yet, the Swedish death rate is unnerving. Sweden has a death toll greater than the United States: 556 deaths per million inhabitants, compared with 425, as of July 20.

Sweden also has a death toll more than four and a half times greater than that of the other four Nordic countries combined — more than seven times greater per million inhabitants. For a number of weeks, Sweden has been among the top in the world when it comes to current reported deaths per capita. And despite this, the strategy in essence remains the same."

Sweden hoped herd immunity would curb COVID-19. Don't do what we did. It's not working.

If we can extrapolate to 1,000 per million deaths (roughly 556 * 2) to get to 20% infection in USA, that's 330,000 dead.

 

[MacDre]

Fair point. I've not seen any material evidence of serious or fatal spread from children to adults. There might be some anecdotal evidence out there, IDK. Those adults that have vulnerable health conditions should already be quarantining from exposure to others.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Academy of Medicine, and many other medical professionals have published their unequivocal opinion that kids need to be back at school, because the other risks of not returning to school are far greater than the Covid risks. Your mantra has always been are "you an Epidemiologist?". Well the NY Times surveyed epidemiologists and 70% said that they would have their children return to school this summer or fall. (I'm sure you'll disparage the article because it was from June, but the reality is that the only thing that has changed from then and now are the hotspots).

I'm not saying that every kid should be required to go back to school, all I'm asking for is a choice. My son's school district announced that parents would have a choice of 100% online, 100% in school (capacity permitting), or 50/50. Unfortunately, our Governor ignored the science, under pressure from the teacher's union that is pushing a political agenda, and took that choice away.

At this point I couldn't care less about youth sports, I just want my kids, and other kids who so choose, to be back in school in the fall.

Not overall general arguments but could you give us specific reasons as to why it is important to you that your kids go back to school in the fall?

 

[Ellejustus]

It’s bad out there and unfortunately I think it’s going to get worse before it gets better. I have moved 2 separate families into my house (my neighbors are pissed) since the beginning of COVID. I think we are all in for some tough times in the near future.

I sure hope you're wrong but my wife say's the same thing. I will always be the the guy that says the glass is half full and will try and keep a smile. Peace to all the peace makers!!!!

 

[MacDre]

Make sure they also check to see if you have a heart.

Ouch! That hurt.

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

You're going to have to accept a ton of deaths to reach a 20% infection rate. Sweden hasn't managed to reach 10% yet by keeping society pretty wide open:

"Regardless of whether herd immunity is a goal or a side effect of the Swedish strategy, how has it worked out? Not so well, according to the agency’s own test results. The proportion of Swedes carrying antibodies is estimated to be under 10%, thus nowhere near herd immunity. And yet, the Swedish death rate is unnerving. Sweden has a death toll greater than the United States: 556 deaths per million inhabitants, compared with 425, as of July 20.

Sweden also has a death toll more than four and a half times greater than that of the other four Nordic countries combined — more than seven times greater per million inhabitants. For a number of weeks, Sweden has been among the top in the world when it comes to current reported deaths per capita. And despite this, the strategy in essence remains the same."

Sweden hoped herd immunity would curb COVID-19. Don't do what we did. It's not working.

If we can extrapolate to 1,000 per million deaths (roughly 556 * 2) to get to 20% infection in USA, that's 330,000 dead.

Interesting you brought up Sweden... I just saw this but haven't yet read all of it.

Swedish epidemiology boss says questioned COVID-19 strategy seems to be working

Sweden's top epidemiologist said on Tuesday a rapid decline in new critical COVID-19 cases alongside slowing death rates indicated that Sweden's strategy for slowing the epidemic, which has been widely questioned abroad, was working.

www.reuters.com

 

[watfly]

Not overall general arguments but could you give us specific reasons as to why it is important to you that your kids go back to school in the fall?

1. My kids want to go back to school
2. In person learning has been proven to be superior to online learning particularly for kids
3. My kids public schools' idea of online learning is assigning homework, not actual teaching
4. Real time feedback is very critical to the learning process. Substantive feedback is very difficult in an online environment. In fact one of my daughters teachers told her during online school this past spring, "don't bother me unless it is an emergency"
5. Many teachers (and obviously kids for that matter) don't take online learning seriously
6. My kids have very high educational aspirations and they, as well as my wife and I, believe that online learning will set back their education. In particular, they will be less challenged by online learning
7. Social interaction, not necessarily with friends, but learning how to work with other kids and exposures to other kids from different backgrounds. Maybe social problem solving is a better term.

These are the reasons that come off the top of my head, and yes I realize that many of them are interrelated. Now in the spirit of full disclosure, my kids will do fine with online learning. They won't thrive, but they will survive. My bigger concern is for the overall education of everyone's child. Many families don't have the resources to make online learning even a viable option. Many kids didn't even bother to, or couldn't, login in to online learning this past spring. We can't as a community afford to have underprivileged kids fall farther behind. Online learning will also prevent some parents from returning to work or in the alternative will leave kids unsupervised to possible roam the neighborhood. In person learning also allows some kids a safe place away from home. In that regard, educators are a significant reporter of child abuse, but without in-person learning it will be extremely difficult to identify those situations.

We have to think of the bigger picture and take the Covid only goggles off.

 

[whatithink]

Fair point. I've not seen any material evidence of serious or fatal spread from children to adults. There might be some anecdotal evidence out there, IDK. Those adults that have vulnerable health conditions should already be quarantining from exposure to others.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Academy of Medicine, and many other medical professionals have published their unequivocal opinion that kids need to be back at school, because the other risks of not returning to school are far greater than the Covid risks. Your mantra has always been are "you an Epidemiologist?". Well the NY Times surveyed epidemiologists and 70% said that they would have their children return to school this summer or fall. (I'm sure you'll disparage the article because it was from June, but the reality is that the only thing that has changed from then and now are the hotspots).

I'm not saying that every kid should be required to go back to school, all I'm asking for is a choice. My son's school district announced that parents would have a choice of 100% online, 100% in school (capacity permitting), or 50/50. Unfortunately, our Governor ignored the science, under pressure from the teacher's union that is pushing a political agenda, and took that choice away.

At this point I couldn't care less about youth sports, I just want my kids, and other kids who so choose, to be back in school in the fall.

I posted this on another thread

From the article

"The team monitored nearly 65,000 patients for about 10 days after a coronavirus infection was detected.

They found that a total of 11.8 percent of household contacts of these “index patients” had COVID-19 infection. In households with patients between 10 and 19 years old, nearly 19 percent of household contacts had infection."

Coronavirus transmission higher among older school children, study finds

A study out of South Korea found higher rates of COVID-19 transmission among older school-aged children.

www.foxnews.com

 

[watfly]

I posted this on another thread

From the article

"The team monitored nearly 65,000 patients for about 10 days after a coronavirus infection was detected.

They found that a total of 11.8 percent of household contacts of these “index patients” had COVID-19 infection. In households with patients between 10 and 19 years old, nearly 19 percent of household contacts had infection."

Coronavirus transmission higher among older school children, study finds

A study out of South Korea found higher rates of COVID-19 transmission among older school-aged children.

www.foxnews.com

I'm well aware that 10-19 age group is more likely to contract and spread Covid relative to 0-10 year olds. You know who else is aware of that fact? American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Academy of Medicine and many epidemiologists and other medical professionals that still believe kids should be back at school. Again we can't look at reopening schools through only a Covid lens.

 

[dad4]

You're going to have to accept a ton of deaths to reach a 20% infection rate. Sweden hasn't managed to reach 10% yet by keeping society pretty wide open:

"Regardless of whether herd immunity is a goal or a side effect of the Swedish strategy, how has it worked out? Not so well, according to the agency’s own test results. The proportion of Swedes carrying antibodies is estimated to be under 10%, thus nowhere near herd immunity. And yet, the Swedish death rate is unnerving. Sweden has a death toll greater than the United States: 556 deaths per million inhabitants, compared with 425, as of July 20.

Sweden also has a death toll more than four and a half times greater than that of the other four Nordic countries combined — more than seven times greater per million inhabitants. For a number of weeks, Sweden has been among the top in the world when it comes to current reported deaths per capita. And despite this, the strategy in essence remains the same."

Sweden hoped herd immunity would curb COVID-19. Don't do what we did. It's not working.

If we can extrapolate to 1,000 per million deaths (roughly 556 * 2) to get to 20% infection in USA, that's 330,000 dead.

I think the bigger catch is that it all falls apart if we think it’s over and go back to 2019 behavior. If we do that, 20% is not enough.

If actual cases are 10X confirmed cases, AZ is already at 20%. (along with NY, NJ, Louisiana). That won’t help much if they throw the masks away and open it all up again. But it may decline the next few weeks if they keep the masks and distance rules.

 

[whatithink]

I'm well aware that 10-19 age group is more likely to contract and spread Covid relative to 0-10 year olds. You know who else is aware of that fact? American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Academy of Medicine and many epidemiologists and other medical professionals that still believe kids should be back at school. Again we can't look at reopening schools through only a Covid lens.

I just posted in reply to your "haven't seen a study" comment. I want my kids back in school and playing soccer for that matter. If the price of getting the economy back on track is that they miss both for a few more months, then I'm ok with that - not my preferred stance though.

If getting kids in school is critical to getting the economy up and running, then I look forward to Congress and the President's next COVID19 give away which will therefore, surely, be crammed full of funds to ensure that schools can be as safe as possible ... for the adults who are critical to making school happen. I also look forward to their plan to get all that spent and implemented in the next few weeks!

 

[dad4]

Fair point. I've not seen any material evidence of serious or fatal spread from children to adults. There might be some anecdotal evidence out there, IDK. Those adults that have vulnerable health conditions should already be quarantining from exposure to others.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Academy of Medicine, and many other medical professionals have published their unequivocal opinion that kids need to be back at school, because the other risks of not returning to school are far greater than the Covid risks. Your mantra has always been are "you an Epidemiologist?". Well the NY Times surveyed epidemiologists and 70% said that they would have their children return to school this summer or fall. (I'm sure you'll disparage the article because it was from June, but the reality is that the only thing that has changed from then and now are the hotspots).

I'm not saying that every kid should be required to go back to school, all I'm asking for is a choice. My son's school district announced that parents would have a choice of 100% online, 100% in school (capacity permitting), or 50/50. Unfortunately, our Governor ignored the science, under pressure from the teacher's union that is pushing a political agenda, and took that choice away.

At this point I couldn't care less about youth sports, I just want my kids, and other kids who so choose, to be back in school in the fall.

The South Korea study from last week showed teenagers are roughly as contagious as adults.

Before that, I assumed teenagers were significantly lass contagious than 20-39 year olds.

 

[Luis Andres]

Not that I am aware of. I find it hard to believe that parents are willing to put their families health at risk for soccer. Maybe it’s the clubs or folks that profit from soccer that are promoting this foolishness.

My kids club has a financial incentive to keep my kid safe because they are focused on developing her to maximize her potential as opposed to collecting fees. I suspect my kid will be one of the first youth players that resume practice in a legitimate fashion and that has not happened yet. Nor do I expect it to happen anytime soon.

and I was under the impression that you had a goat. Here everything is closed but the Hispanic boy leagues. And that’s where we are playing. They ain’t gonna stop playing soccer cause of some virus that is not even effecting kids. The kids in Florida, Texas are playing and you ain’t hearing any stories of these kids getting sick & ending up at the hospital. If you ain’t training and or playing this year you will fall behind for sure to the ones that are putting in the extra work. I’m seeing it first hand. It’s not rocket science what you put in you get back. And if you ain’t putting in now you ain’t growing. It’s not about profiting but it’s about not living your life in fear and being brain washed by this socialist government in California.

 

[Luis Andres]

Was just thinking about this #foodforthought

Orange County population 3 million
Riverside population 2.4 million
San Diego population 1.4 million
La county population 10 million
San Bernardino county 2.1 million

Orange County where the Cali cowboys live, no one wears masks and they seem to ignore 6ft social distancing guidelines, seen it first hand. Shouldn’t they have at least twice the amount of cases than the rest of the top counties given that they have more people living in the county not wearing the masks and not social distancing ? Things don’t add up. Not saying to not wear a mask but just things don’t add up. Cause the rest of these counties wear masks.

 

[Luis Andres]

Here is the reality folks. If governor Newsom all of a sudden morphed into Governor De Santis from Florida and yelled “Let the Games Begin” everyone would be out there social distancing with masks at these games making it work like they are doing in Florida. I’m certain we would have 90% of the youth soccer world back out there in tournaments and parents following the rules and guidelines of course and we would be just fine like they are doing in Texas and Florida . But because the carnival barker tells us that we can’t even go to the park by ourselves, everyone is hiding under a rock and it’s the 10% that are out there still training following masks and social distancing guidelines and staying away from 90% of the brain washed mob that are making progress and getting ahead. Parks are empty and you can now come out from under neath the Newsom rock, but stay away from the cowboys and the sheeple mob and you’ll be doing just fine and making progress in 2020

, w

 

[MacDre]

and I was under the impression that you had a goat. Here everything is closed but the Hispanic boy leagues. And that’s where we are playing. They ain’t gonna stop playing soccer cause of some virus that is not even effecting kids. The kids in Florida, Texas are playing and you ain’t hearing any stories of these kids getting sick & ending up at the hospital. If you ain’t training and or playing this year you will fall behind for sure to the ones that are putting in the extra work. I’m seeing it first hand. It’s not rocket science what you put in you get back. And if you ain’t putting in now you ain’t growing. It’s not about profiting but it’s about not living your life in fear and being brain washed by this socialist government in California.

Cream rises homie. If you have to practice to the point where you life has no balance, then you’ll never go “platinum.” One more thing, if you kid is not capable of excelling in multiple sports they really don’t have a chance of playing any sport at a higher level. Shot out to the “all American athletes” out there and to hell with these over specialized one-trick-ponies.

 

[Luis Andres]

Cream rises homie. If you have to practice to the point where you life has no balance, then you’ll never go “platinum.” One more thing, if you kid is not capable of excelling in multiple sports they really don’t have a chance of playing any sport at a higher level. Shot out to the “all American athletes” out there and to hell with these over specialized one-trick-ponies.

who says it’s just about playing one sport. It’s good to play multiple I agree. But soccer is a sport that requires mastery of technicals skills. If you just got speed you might get somewhere in the sport but if you got both you will dominate. Slow feet don’t eat. Gotta train those feet daily and there is always time to do the other things that keeps them sane during these times. No excuse homie.

 

[notintheface]

Here is the reality folks. If governor Newsom all of a sudden morphed into Governor De Santis from Florida and yelled “Let the Games Begin” everyone would be out there social distancing with masks at these games making it work like they are doing in Florida.

Uh - except Florida is outpacing California in number of cases with a little over half the population. That isn't "making it work".

 

[watfly]

If getting kids in school is critical to getting the economy up and running, then I look forward to Congress and the President's next COVID19 give away which will therefore, surely, be crammed full of funds to ensure that schools can be as safe as possible ... for the adults who are critical to making school happen. I also look forward to their plan to get all that spent and implemented in the next few weeks!

I agree 100% for the school funding. Is the $70 billion offered by the President not sufficient.? If its not, then talk to the leftist legislators that want to incentivize not working or writing checks to illegals. What I don't want to happen is that we act like opening schools is so complicated. The CDC has step-by-step guidelines for schools that aren't too onerous and has been out for weeks. I also don't want the school money to be abused by the unions or schools, there needs to be some accountability, which hasn't happened with the PPP money.

If schools are just now working on their reopening plans that is shameful. As a matter of note, we've been able to open our youth clubhouses, that serve dozens if not hundreds, with common sense protections without significant cost. I know it can be done since I've seen it in live action.