Nor Cal Return to Play

[dad4]

The American Association of Pediatrics says you’re wrong. Disregarding what they are saying and trashing any sports entity that follows their guidance, as about 10 posters did before I said anything, is hardly “open-minded reasonable discourse”. Too bad that you’re ok with “open-minded reasonable discourse” so long as it is the opposite of that. So here I am.

If you’re living in fear of wearing a mask, although there is no documented evidence that one has ever killed a single person, you and your kid can stay away from soccer fields until all this passes. Between all the anti-vaxxers and all the other trumpanzees who fight every single effort to get Covid under control, it has already taken too long, and will still take linger than it should. Almost 600,000 are dead in the U.S. now.

The thing you keep misquoting is a five paragraph explanation of why masks are important for any non-swimming indoor sport.

That's why you see the word "indoor" about 10 times in their recommendation; it's because they are talking about indoor sports.

The section is neutral on requiring masks for outdoor team sports, and negative on requiring masks for outdoor individual sports.

 

[Jessiesgirl]

Watched two games this weekend. One game all the players were required to have their masks on but did not have to have them over their nose/mouth (I really do not understand this logic at all). The other game; one team wore their masks on the field while the other did not. It’s really all over the place.

I’m sure someone will call me a sheep, but I’m not going to complain about any mask rules. Just wear the thing and stop complaining. It’s not going to harm you. Find something else to rebel and complain over. The kids are playing soccer-that’s all that matters.

 

[Anon9]

NorCal sent out a statement a couple weeks ago. It was very clear, MASK WILL NOT BE MANDATED. Have your kid wear it if you prefer, and don’t worry about the rest. The only people making it an issue are you guys on this forum.

 

[EOTL]

The thing you keep misquoting is a five paragraph explanation of why masks are important for any non-swimming indoor sport.

That's why you see the word "indoor" about 10 times in their recommendation; it's because they are talking about indoor sports.

The section is neutral on requiring masks for outdoor team sports, and negative on requiring masks for outdoor individual sports.

No, you read the part about why they are even more important for indoor sports and ignore all the rest. The word “all” means “all”. It does not mean “all indoor but not outdoor because I want ‘all’ to exclude outdoor.”. Golf is never played indoors, and tennis almost never is, and it never is by kids. There would be no need to make an exception for golf or tennis if they were only talking about all (but not all, just all indoor) sports. I can’t help someone who intentionally refuses to understand words and experts. But I can explain why Norcal is following the American Association of Pediatrics’ advice, because they recognize what the word “all” means. But if it makes yourself feel better to ignore the recommendation of the foremost experts on this subject in the entire U.S. by intentionally misreading what words mean, I am not surprised. We’ve all seen more than a year of Karens whining about masks, although they have yet to kill anyone. Go ahead and continue living in fear of masks all you want.

The long and the short of it is that the AAP recommends wearing masks playing soccer right now. Period. You don’t want to, which put you in the same bucket with anti-vaxxers and Karens refusing to wear masks, denying the best advice of the foremost experts. Just accept that the AAP believes your behavior risks getting even more people killed, and you’re ok with more dead people because that’s preferable compared to the slight inconvenience over the next few weeks.

 

[dad4]

NorCal sent out a statement a couple weeks ago. It was very clear, MASK WILL NOT BE MANDATED. Have your kid wear it if you prefer, and don’t worry about the rest. The only people making it an issue are you guys on this forum.

Norcal has about as much power in this as they had when they insisted on 8 year old kids heading the ball. They had laws of the game on their side, but still lost. Turns out laws of the game don’t hold up well in court.

Eventually, if CDPH or SCC decides to push the issue, norcal will lose. They don’t even need to lose on the merits. If the county and city start yanking permits, your kid and my kid do not get to play.

 

[dad4]

No, you read the part about why they are even more important for indoor sports and ignore all the rest. The word “all” means “all”. It does not mean “all indoor but not outdoor because I want ‘all’ to exclude outdoor.”. Golf is never played indoors, and tennis almost never is, and it never is by kids. There would be no need to make an exception for golf or tennis if they were only talking about all (but not all, just all indoor) sports. I can’t help someone who intentionally refuses to understand words and experts. But I can explain why Norcal is following the American Association of Pediatrics’ advice, because they recognize what the word “all” means. But if it makes yourself feel better to ignore the recommendation of the foremost experts on this subject in the entire U.S. by intentionally misreading what words mean, I am not surprised. We’ve all seen more than a year of Karens whining about masks, although they have yet to kill anyone. Go ahead and continue living in fear of masks all you want.

The long and the short of it is that the AAP recommends wearing masks playing soccer right now. Period. You don’t want to, which put you in the same bucket with anti-vaxxers and Karens refusing to wear masks, denying the best advice of the foremost experts. Just accept that the AAP believes your behavior risks getting even more people killed, and you’re ok with more dead people because that’s preferable compared to the slight inconvenience over the next few weeks.

Maybe, they meant this:

“When should face masks be worn?
Face masks have been shown to decrease transmission rates of SARS-CoV-2, including in the context of indoor sports. Athletes should be encouraged to wear face masks at all times (ie, group training, competition, and on the sidelines) during activities that pose a high risk of transmission, Individual sports performed outside, such as golf and singles tennis, are lower risk for transmission of SARS-CoV-2, and a face mask may not be necessary for these activities if the athletes are appropriately distanced. Face masks have been shown to be well tolerated by the majority of individuals who wear them for exercise, but we acknowledge that the mask may need to be removed under certain circumstances.

Face masks should not be worn for competitive cheerleading (tumbling/stunting/flying) and gymnastics (while on the different apparatuses) because of the theoretical risk that the mask may get caught on objects and become a choking hazard or accidently impair vision. During wrestling contact, a face mask could become a choking hazard and is discouraged unless an adult coach or official is closely monitoring for safety purposes. Individuals who swim/dive/participate in water sports should not wear a face mask while they are in the water, because a wet face mask may be more difficult to breathe through. Any face mask that becomes saturated with sweat should be changed immediately.

Athletes should always wear a face mask between practice drills, on the sidelines, arriving at or departing from the playing facility, in a locker room, while not on the playing field, and during shared transportation to/from an event. It is important that the face mask fits the athlete well and is worn over the nose and below the chin. If the face mask is removed for a break, the athlete should remain at least 6 feet away from all other individuals. Face masksshould be worn by coaches, officials, spectators, and volunteers at all times. Coaches and other club/school officials should monitor proper use and encourage all athletes to have a properly worn face mask in place in accordance with the above guidance.

Indoor sports have a higher rate of transmission of SARS-CoV-2 when compared with outdoor, and certain sports (eg. ice hockey and wrestling) carry higher relative risk. The risks and benefits of indoor sports, in addition to the current community prevalence of COVID-19, should be carefully considered when making decisions about continuing or resuming indoor sports. Proper use of a face mask for all indoor sports training and competition (except in the examples noted above) is strongly recommended, because it has been associated with a decreased risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission, equivalent to outdoor sport transmission rates.

Special considerations may be appropriate when there is an increased risk of heat-related illness. Individuals younger than 2 years old should not wear a face mask. Younger athletes may find wearing a face mask challenging and may need to be reminded and/or assisted by parents/coaches. People should be reminded not to touch the front of the face mask and remove it from the straps whenever possible. When using cloth face coverings, they should be routinely washed daily in hot water and not reused until cleaned.”



So, AAP says always for indoor sport, and whenever not on the field for outdoor. I think CDPH got it wrong, but we should follow the rules so we don’t risk losing fields.

 

[EOTL]

Maybe, they meant this:

“When should face masks be worn?
Face masks have been shown to decrease transmission rates of SARS-CoV-2, including in the context of indoor sports. Athletes should be encouraged to wear face masks at all times (ie, group training, competition, and on the sidelines) during activities that pose a high risk of transmission, Individual sports performed outside, such as golf and singles tennis, are lower risk for transmission of SARS-CoV-2, and a face mask may not be necessary for these activities if the athletes are appropriately distanced. Face masks have been shown to be well tolerated by the majority of individuals who wear them for exercise, but we acknowledge that the mask may need to be removed under certain circumstances.

Face masks should not be worn for competitive cheerleading (tumbling/stunting/flying) and gymnastics (while on the different apparatuses) because of the theoretical risk that the mask may get caught on objects and become a choking hazard or accidently impair vision. During wrestling contact, a face mask could become a choking hazard and is discouraged unless an adult coach or official is closely monitoring for safety purposes. Individuals who swim/dive/participate in water sports should not wear a face mask while they are in the water, because a wet face mask may be more difficult to breathe through. Any face mask that becomes saturated with sweat should be changed immediately.

Athletes should always wear a face mask between practice drills, on the sidelines, arriving at or departing from the playing facility, in a locker room, while not on the playing field, and during shared transportation to/from an event. It is important that the face mask fits the athlete well and is worn over the nose and below the chin. If the face mask is removed for a break, the athlete should remain at least 6 feet away from all other individuals. Face masksshould be worn by coaches, officials, spectators, and volunteers at all times. Coaches and other club/school officials should monitor proper use and encourage all athletes to have a properly worn face mask in place in accordance with the above guidance.

Indoor sports have a higher rate of transmission of SARS-CoV-2 when compared with outdoor, and certain sports (eg. ice hockey and wrestling) carry higher relative risk. The risks and benefits of indoor sports, in addition to the current community prevalence of COVID-19, should be carefully considered when making decisions about continuing or resuming indoor sports. Proper use of a face mask for all indoor sports training and competition (except in the examples noted above) is strongly recommended, because it has been associated with a decreased risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission, equivalent to outdoor sport transmission rates.

Special considerations may be appropriate when there is an increased risk of heat-related illness. Individuals younger than 2 years old should not wear a face mask. Younger athletes may find wearing a face mask challenging and may need to be reminded and/or assisted by parents/coaches. People should be reminded not to touch the front of the face mask and remove it from the straps whenever possible. When using cloth face coverings, they should be routinely washed daily in hot water and not reused until cleaned.”



So, AAP says always for indoor sport, and whenever not on the field for outdoor. I think CDPH got it wrong, but we should follow the rules so we don’t risk losing fields.

I already discussed this. You can deemphasize as much as you want the discussions of outdoor sports, the word “all” and the fact that they make an exception for two individual sports because those are low risk, but not team sports like soccer.

Just accept that the AAP, the foremost experts on this issue, want your kid to wear a mask playing soccer for now, but you’ve decided that enough people haven’t died, so more people need to because the slight inconvenience of wearing a mask during soccer for a few weeks is too much for you. If they were making an exception for outdoor team sports, they wouldn’t be making an exception for individual sports that do not involve any close contact whatsoever. Again, I can’t make you understand something you refuse to understand.

 

[Anon9]

Norcal has about as much power in this as they had when they insisted on 8 year old kids heading the ball. They had laws of the game on their side, but still lost. Turns out laws of the game don’t hold up well in court.

Eventually, if CDPH or SCC decides to push the issue, norcal will lose. They don’t even need to lose on the merits. If the county and city start yanking permits, your kid and my kid do not get to play.

The CDPH guidelines do NOT require mask. The counties, along with NorCal, decided to follow the guidelines AS IS. Why do you keep pushing mask use? Why does it bother you so much that my kid doesn't wear a mask? Have your kid wear it and you'll be fine. IF NorCal, SCC, or CDPH update their guidelines and require mask, then our kids will wear it. We are arguing nonsense here.

 

[Anon9]

If the county and city start yanking permits, your kid and my kid do not get to play.

The sheeples kids won't get to play.

 

[dad4]

The sheeples kids won't get to play.

If you cost us our permits, you won't have much either.

You and the sheeple will both be stuck with once a week illegal scrimmages, hoping some nosy neighbor doesn't call the city to shut it down.

For that matter, do you want them to end the county border restriction? Do you think that will happen if most teams are ignoring the mask rule?

 

[SFR]

Watched two games this weekend. One game all the players were required to have their masks on but did not have to have them over their nose/mouth (I really do not understand this logic at all). The other game; one team wore their masks on the field while the other did not. It’s really all over the place.

I’m sure someone will call me a sheep, but I’m not going to complain about any mask rules. Just wear the thing and stop complaining. It’s not going to harm you. Find something else to rebel and complain over. The kids are playing soccer-that’s all that matters.

With all due respect: I wouldn't call you a sheep but I would call you a fool and for those who mandate wearing a mask for very competitive outdoor sport I call them incompetent of understanding what the competitive sport is. If you think you can wear a mask while sprinting, pushing, and battling for the ball you are completely mistaken. And then saying if you ae out of air and can't breath take it off and put back - that is compromising the purpose of wearing a mask And then you should bring with a you a few more masks as they will get turned and soak. And what I hear from my son's club that they won't enforce to make sure it's on your face but you must have it some where around your face. It's a total farce.

I am totally fine with everyone who asks their kids to wear it but if you permitted to play youth completive outdoor sport then don't make it a farce. Also, it's funny, for the safety of the player it's not allowed to wear any bracelets , any kind of earrings or necklaces but wearing mask around their necks is totally safe.

 

[Anon9]

Do you think that will happen if most teams are ignoring the mask rule?

Show me the rule. CDPH, SCC, or NorCal.

 

[dad4]

Show me the rule. CDPH, SCC, or NorCal.

From state:

Face Coverings

• Face coverings worn by participants during practice, conditioning and during competition, even during heavy exertion as tolerated. See the American Academy of Pediatrics Interim Guidance on Return to Sports [1] for specific exceptions where the face covering may become a hazard.

I don't think seeing 22 kids on the field with zero masks is what CDPH meant by "as tolerated.". More to the point, the city and county won't read it your way, either.

NorCal will agree with you, but NorCal doesn't issue field permits.

You are putting all of our permits at risk by having your games in this fashion.

 

[Anon9]

From state:

• Face coverings worn by participants during practice, conditioning and during competition, even during heavy exertion as tolerated. See the American Academy of Pediatrics Interim Guidance on Return to Sports [1] for specific exceptions where the face covering may become a hazard.

I don't think seeing 22 kids on the field with zero masks is what CDPH meant by "as tolerated.". More to the point, the city and county won't read it your way, either.

NorCal will agree with you, but NorCal doesn't issue field permits.

You are putting all of our permits at risk by having your games in this fashion.

Why did you leave out an important word after Face coverings? Is that word "should"? "Must"?

 

[crush]

With all due respect: I wouldn't call you a sheep but I would call you a fool and for those who mandate wearing a mask for very competitive outdoor sport I call them incompetent of understanding what the competitive sport is. If you think you can wear a mask while sprinting, pushing, and battling for the ball you are completely mistaken. And then saying if you ae out of air and can't breath take it off and put back - that is compromising the purpose of wearing a mask And then you should bring with a you a few more masks as they will get turned and soak. And what I hear from my son's club that they won't enforce to make sure it's on your face but you must have it some where around your face. It's a total farce.

I am totally fine with everyone who asks their kids to wear it but if you permitted to play youth completive outdoor sport then don't make it a farce. Also, it's funny, for the safety of the player it's not allowed to wear any bracelets , any kind of earrings or necklaces but wearing mask around their necks is totally safe.

I already asked them what league this is and no one is answering. Dad 4, what league is this guy saying he will pull his team if no mask? This sound like rec at best. AYSO is way more competitive. I think it's bull crap lie. He even says some T supporter is pacing up and down the fence having a melt down. Listen and listen well folks. No dad with a goat would even be in this league. This is all propaganda bull dung lie is my best guess. Where is Deza BTW?

 

[Anon9]

From state:

• Face coverings worn by participants during practice, conditioning and during competition, even during heavy exertion as tolerated. See the American Academy of Pediatrics Interim Guidance on Return to Sports [1] for specific exceptions where the face covering may become a hazard.

I don't think seeing 22 kids on the field with zero masks is what CDPH meant by "as tolerated.". More to the point, the city and county won't read it your way, either.

NorCal will agree with you, but NorCal doesn't issue field permits.

You are putting all of our permits at risk by having your games in this fashion.

If SCC is following CDPH guidelines, that don't require masks, why should SCC pull field permits? They would pull field permits if we were in violation of the guidance, which clearly is not the case. If SCC comes out and says it's a must, then players will wear them.

 

[crush]

If SCC is following CDPH guidelines, that don't require masks, why should SCC pull field permits? They would pull field permits if we were in violation of the guidance, which clearly is not the case. If SCC comes out and says it's a must, then players will wear them.

Because their using the kids as pawns like they always do. This is the biggest loser rule ever. Next year they will demand to see the vaccine certificate or no play. No mask, no play. Seriously, you can have the mask league. See ya, my dd would hit waves instead or move to Texas. What are the best players in Nocal doing to stay sharp? I would move to socal or Texas. My wife and I have a camp site out of the state in case this goes where I think it might.

 

[dad4]

Why did you leave out an important word after Face coverings? Is that word "should"? "Must"?

The bad grammar is from CDPH. I just cut and pasted the whole paragraph. Ask them about why they left out the helping verb.

But, if you read the header, the purpose of the most recent edit was to require face coverings.

"Updates since 02/19/2021

• Updated on March 4, 2021 to add requirements that go into effect March 5, 2021 that would:
  • Require masking for youth and adult sports participants, coaches, and support staff.
  • Specify that teams can return to competition only if they adhere to the stricter requirements in place for college teams, which include rigorous testing requirements around each competition, following contact tracing protocols, and coordination with local health authorities."

Full text of the CDPH rule is here:

Outdoor and Indoor Youth and Recreational Adult Sports

www.cdph.ca.gov

 

[EOTL]

With all due respect: I wouldn't call you a sheep but I would call you a fool and for those who mandate wearing a mask for very competitive outdoor sport I call them incompetent of understanding what the competitive sport is. If you think you can wear a mask while sprinting, pushing, and battling for the ball you are completely mistaken. And then saying if you ae out of air and can't breath take it off and put back - that is compromising the purpose of wearing a mask And then you should bring with a you a few more masks as they will get turned and soak. And what I hear from my son's club that they won't enforce to make sure it's on your face but you must have it some where around your face. It's a total farce.

I am totally fine with everyone who asks their kids to wear it but if you permitted to play youth completive outdoor sport then don't make it a farce. Also, it's funny, for the safety of the player it's not allowed to wear any bracelets , any kind of earrings or necklaces but wearing mask around their necks is totally safe.

With all due respect, I would call anyone getting Karen-y over a kid wearing a mask playing a kiddie sport a fool and incompetent of understanding what kiddie sports is, and of taking their kiddie sports way too seriously.

Anyone who thinks that kiddie (they call the “competitive”) sports is so important that they should not wear something that anyone in moderate health can do no problem, is a fool and incompetent of understanding, well, much of anything. In the absence of a medical condition, if your child cannot play soccer in a mask for a couple weeks, they are not college material and, frankly, should not even being playing comp sports since they’re just diluting the quality of play. But congratulations for raising your kid to be soft.

We have all seen a lot of kids playing soccer in masks and, guess what, no one has died. Not one person. We have seen a bunch of whiners though.

 

[crush]

The bad grammar is from CDPH. I just cut and pasted the whole paragraph. Ask them about why they left out the helping verb.

But, if you read the header, the purpose of the most recent edit was to require face coverings.

"Updates since 02/19/2021

• Updated on March 4, 2021 to add requirements that go into effect March 5, 2021 that would:
  • Require masking for youth and adult sports participants, coaches, and support staff.
  • Specify that teams can return to competition only if they adhere to the stricter requirements in place for college teams, which include rigorous testing requirements around each competition, following contact tracing protocols, and coordination with local health authorities."

Full text of the CDPH rule is here:

Outdoor and Indoor Youth and Recreational Adult Sports

www.cdph.ca.gov