Nor Cal GDA Teams - What's Next

MacDre said:
Magic offered her fully funded after she did a session with one of their coaches and I believe his name is Michael. She was too young and I thought the GDA patch was a necessity for any serious player at the time.

Hi, my name is Mac and I love Kool Aid!
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I pay attention, but not close enough -- the girl is the driving force - have done small club bottom team, top team, medium club, ODP, big club, DA. Someone talks to girl, girl say hey, I say hey and off we go. Luckily we live where there are pretty much limitless choices/opportunities as far as girls soccer. At least that was the case until a couple of months ago, hopefully even the smaller clubs can survive this. For girl it is alot about who she is playing then level of competition, luckily both have coincided with advancing her level and skill.
 
Soccerfan2 said:
I think you got some bad advice on Mustang.
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That’s good to know. Even though my kid has never played for Mustang I feel like Pat Uriz has contributed to her development. He’s always been accessible and answered many of my questions. And I like to ask tough questions that make many uncomfortable. If my kid makes it Pat Uriz, and McGuire and Risenhoover at Cal can all truthfully say that they’ve substantially contributed to her development.
 
davin said:
The NPL has promotion/relegation. First/second place in lower division get promoted up. Keep getting promoted and you end up in the top division. The top division is champions league, so those are NPL’s best teams. They’re beating up on the best teams in the NPL while struggling in ECNL. Gap is wide.
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LMAO! No they are not. Of their 8 wins, 6 are against the bottom 6 teams. You're delusional.
 
The Outlaw said:
LMAO! No they are not. Of their 8 wins, 6 are against the bottom 6 teams. You're delusional.
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LOL. 5 out of the top 6 teams for that age group in the Champions League are ECNL teams. It’s like that for every age group in the Champions League every year, and that’s with the ECNL coaches using this league as tune ups for the other league, but keep on thinking that there is a very small difference between leagues.
 
davin said:
5 out of the top 6 teams for that age group in the Champions League are ECNL teams. It’s like that for every age group in the Champions League every year, but keep on thinking that there is a very small difference between leagues.
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A more useful statement is that there is a big gap between the top and the bottom of NPL champions league. Don't you think that's because DA left a vacuum that allowed teams that would not otherwise be in champions league to qualify in their absence? Of course ECNL teams are stronger than small club NPL teams and DA club B teams.
Let's hope the changing landscape remedies this gap so that ECNL teams can get better competition in NPL, which is a good portion of their games for the season.
 
Soccerfan2 said:
A more useful statement is that there is a big gap between the top and the bottom of NPL champions league. Don't you think that's because DA left a vacuum that allowed teams that would not otherwise be in champions league to qualify in their absence? Of course ECNL teams are stronger than small club NPL teams and DA club B teams.
Let's hope the changing landscape remedies this gap so that ECNL teams can get better competition in NPL, which is a good portion of their games for the season.
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Not sure what this conversation has to do with GDA. I know you’re a GDA homer but whether or not GDA teams are in the league is irrelevant to the gap between the leagues we’re discussing.
 
davin said:
LOL. 5 out of the top 6 teams for that age group in the Champions League are ECNL teams. It’s like that for every age group in the Champions League every year, and that’s with the ECNL coaches using this league as tune ups for the other league, but keep on thinking that there is a very small difference between leagues.
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You keep missing the point. Not every body played everybody, so it doesn't matter who is on top. Your team is on top but 6 of their 8 wins are against the 6 worst teams. You haven't played the best teams yet! My player is in that NPL group. You keep on thinking 6 of 8 wins against the 6 worst teams is bragging rights.
 
The Outlaw said:
You keep missing the point. Not every body played everybody, so it doesn't matter who is on top. Your team is on top but 6 of their 8 wins are against the 6 worst teams. You haven't played the best teams yet! My player is in that NPL group. You keep on thinking 6 of 8 wins against the 6 worst teams is bragging rights.
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The top two non-ECNL teams in the current standings in that division are 0-3 against ECNL teams. Who do you think are best teams and what are their records against the ECNL teams in the division?
 
davin said:
The top two non-ECNL teams in the current standings in that division are 0-3 against ECNL teams. Who do you think are best teams and what are their records against the ECNL teams in the division?
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Doesn't matter what I think. When 6 of your 8 wins are against the worst 6 teams, you learn that doing your homework is a good idea. Especially when you're 'battling a ton of injuries" and "working on development opportunities by beating up on the WORST teams in NPL."
 
The Outlaw said:
Doesn't matter what I think. When 6 of your 8 wins are against the worst 6 teams, you learn that doing your homework is a good idea. Especially when you're 'battling a ton of injuries" and "working on development opportunities by beating up on the WORST teams in NPL."
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Have to agree. Until you play everyone, it's hard to claim one team is really at the top.

Most ECNL teams use NPL as getting their bench playing time and working on certain aspects of the game. If they are playing a local team and want some players, they may plays starters longer. The bottom half clubs, and top end NPL non ECNL in some ages are pretty close and sometimes NPL team better. IMO it's pointless to judge any results vs a ECNL team even if that team is near top of standings. You're not getting the same game as you would get ecnl vs ecnl team in league.
 
The Outlaw said:
Doesn't matter what I think. When 6 of your 8 wins are against the worst 6 teams, you learn that doing your homework is a good idea. Especially when you're 'battling a ton of injuries" and "working on development opportunities by beating up on the WORST teams in NPL."
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LOL. You’re the one who brought that team up as the reason why you think the league qualities are similar. My only point about was that this particular team struggles in the other league but has done well in NPL, which indicates that the league they’ve struggled in has more quality. I personally don’t really care about that particular team’s results, since my dd plays in an older age group in the same club. And if you’re correct that they got their wins against the worst teams in the NPL league, it doesn’t explain why 5 of the 6 top Teams are from ECNL, and that’s without the top ECNL team from that age group is playing a year up in the champions league.
 
davin said:
LOL. You’re the one who brought that team up as the reason why you think the league qualities are similar. My only point about was that this particular team struggles in the other league but has done well in NPL, which indicates that the league they’ve struggled in has more quality. I personally don’t really care about that particular team’s results, since my dd plays in an older age group in the same club. And if you’re correct that they got their wins against the worst teams in the NPL league, it doesn’t explain why 5 of the 6 top Teams are from ECNL, and that’s without the top ECNL team from that age group is playing a year up in the champions league.
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I did bring it up. I've seen all those teams, including MVLA, and they don't separate themselves. You don't care about team results, which is evident since you didn't bother to see who is playing who, but you note the top 5 of 6 are ECNL. LOL! Okay... on any given day, the top 5 NPL teams can beat the top 5 top ECNL teams. Rage, San Juan, MVLA, Davis, whatever. 4 of 7 wins for SJ were the bottom teams. 3 of Rage's 6 wins were bottom 3 teams. Hell, Rage was beaten 6-0 by Odyssey. Must have been a ton of injuries that day! Mustang is pretty good, after inheriting half a team in a year, and San Juan is pretty good. Everyone else is equal.
 
UOP said:
NPL is a good league but if GDA or ECNL played to win I don't think the games would be that close. Both use the NPL as a developmental league.
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Then I need to go back and ask what they were developing when losing 6-0 to an NPL team. Maybe the ability to rebound for the next game?
 
The Outlaw said:
Then I need to go back and ask what they were developing when losing 6-0 to an NPL team. Maybe the ability to rebound for the next game?
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They may have been developing their bench. Teams also need to give their starters a time off for recovery so they don’t get hurt.

Or, the NPL team played an awesome game and good for them. I don’t see any reason to read too much into it.
 
dad4 said:
They may have been developing their bench. Teams also need to give their starters a time off for recovery so they don’t get hurt.

Or, the NPL team played an awesome game and good for them. I don’t see any reason to read too much into it.
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dad4 is right. Some ECNL/GDA Rosters are 20+ and don't even roster their top players for NPL matches. They play twice as many matches as NPL only teams since they play two leagues and use NPL to get the end of the bench playing time.
 
Cibo said:
dad4 is right. Some ECNL/GDA Rosters are 20+ and don't even roster their top players for NPL matches. They play twice as many matches as NPL only teams since they play two leagues and use NPL to get the end of the bench playing time.
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I could believe that if I didn't know the teams and see who they play... but I digress.
 
The Outlaw said:
Then I need to go back and ask what they were developing when losing 6-0 to an NPL team. Maybe the ability to rebound for the next game?
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There are lots of things to learn in a 6-0 loss for both players and coaches. Like many have said these "ECNL" labeled teams are probably a combination of bench top teamers with 2nd teamers. So girls that don't get as much playing time and not together. Probably learn more about the mental makeup of the girls than the skill. Not all NPL teams are bottom feeders, some are just smaller clubs that can't get to ECNL. For a large part though if a top ECNL team brought the full A team against a regular NPL team the games wouldn't be all that fun to watch on a regular basis
 
ECNL added four more clubs to the SW conference today. I believe that makes a total of six additional to that division (SD Surf, Real, Beach, Legends, WC and Pateadores). I think that's a good thing. Outside of the sheer size and accomplishments of those clubs, are there other reasons why so many clubs were added with relative ease?. I know little of the So Cal scene and was curious as to why/how those clubs were quickly brought into the umbrella but nothing thus far here in Nor Cal. Thoughts?
 
Free Kick said:
ECNL added four more clubs to the SW conference today. I believe that makes a total of six additional to that division (SD Surf, Real, Beach, Legends, WC and Pateadores). I think that's a good thing. Outside of the sheer size and accomplishments of those clubs, are there other reasons why so many clubs were added with relative ease?. I know little of the So Cal scene and was curious as to why/how those clubs were quickly brought into the umbrella but nothing thus far here in Nor Cal. Thoughts?
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The four clubs in the press release today(Legends, Beach, WC, and Pats) were not added to ECNL. They were added to the ECNL Regional League(ECRL), which is where ECNL clubs place their 2nd teams. These four new clubs will be playing against ECNL clubs' second teams next year. Not sure what the plan is for NorCal, or if ECRL is even an option for the ex GDA teams here.
 
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