No Soccer - Bad / No School - Catastrophic!

MicPaPa said:
We can find alternatives to youth sports. There have been many good suggestions for replacing the physical part of club soccer, it's the social and emotional part that is a challenge.

But, the more serious problem is schools not reopening. Kids must have the structured daily academic environment that school provides, not only for continued learning, but also social and emotional needs...this is not easily replaced, not should it be. Kids have been out of school since early March, returing to school is a must. School is as essential, or even more so, as any Costco or Walmart.

The fact that not reopening schools is weakly supported, at best, by science and data should concern parents...but, the below fact that LAUSD has made school reopening contingent on political demands should set all parents hair on fire!

L.A. Teachers Union: Schools Can’t Reopen Unless Charter Schools Shut Down, Police Defunded – California Globe

californiaglobe.com californiaglobe.com
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LAUSD teachers want the huge amount of money allocated to police, to be allocated to education, to your children. You can not even come close to comparing a classroom environment to Costco or Walmart, that is a stupid comparison so I won't go there. The biggest concern about the virus in schools is that it can be transmitted from an asymptomatic child to another child or teacher or staff member, possibly killing them or even the parents of the child who takes it home. Just one example of a problem, our school had four bathrooms for 600 students, 2 boys and 2 girls restrooms. Even if half the student body is there that is 300 children using the bathrooms. As a parent or visitor to our school you are never allowed in a bathroom. It can be disgusting. We are looking at a nightmare if this virus isn't contained. Studies have shown that the virus exists in excreted fecal matter. Enough said about that. Everyone would love to see everyone back to a normal routine but until we do things better following all guide lines, it shouldn't happen. In Europe where kids have gone back to school, the schools have really been able to social distance, practice good hygiene and wear masks and they still have had cluster outbreaks, they immediately trace and quarantine. If we can do it like them, then great, let's go back. Oh, and let's make sure there is actually soap in the dispensers in schools and classrooms if they are lucky enough to have a sink in the room, paper towels would be a nice luxury too.
 
met61 said:
No, I'm saying teachers are like all people, trying to scratch out a living to support a household and improve quality of life, call it heroic if you want. Some are fortunate enough to have a guaranteed income whether they work or not, others don't have that luxury.

I'd say income or lack thereof (

Exactly, well said.

Imagine all the office admin staff, school nurses, bus drivers and mechanics, janitors and maintenance workers, to name a few, sitting at home drawing full pay from the taxes of tens of millions who've lost jobs and businesses - it's pathetic. Not to mention all the District cost savings from, utilities, supplies, food, gasoline etc.

We already have a union for students - it's called Parents! we just need to unify and organize like a union.

Damn straight folks - we're being played.
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You do realize teachers and staff don't get paid during the summer right? You do also realize teachers pay taxes too.
 
gkmom said:
I fully agree with this and everyone should do what they feel best for their family. And nobody should project onto others, judge, or dictate what they should do.
I unfortunately have to be more careful because my son and husband have asthma (though the research on this is unclear in re to Covid). I choose to be cautious until I know more. But I would never have that expectation of anyone else.
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Everyone needs to remember that kids were not in school, not in sports, not socializing at the mall, park, ice cream shop etc. etc. during the first four months, so yes, there wasn't much transmission.
 
Anon9 said:
Lie. Of course they get paid. Even teachers aids and “supervisors” get paid.
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No, I am a teacher. I have never gotten paid for summer. I take money out every month during the school year to put in savings so I can survive during the summer along with any other way I can to make some money (tutoring, summer school if our district offers it) .
 
Copa9 said:
No, I am a teacher. I have never gotten paid for summer. I take money out every month during the school year to put in savings so I can survive during the summer along with any other way I can to make some money (tutoring, summer school if our district offers it) .
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You know how much you are getting paid each year, right? When I taught, they spread out that salary over the whole year - including the summer. Would you prefer that or do you prefer having the "summer" money up front? Sounds like your union was better than mine.
 
Teachers absolutely don't get paid during the summer. Most take their 45k (my wife's salary) and spread it over 12 months as teachers. They might get a paycheck over summer, but they aren't "paid" for summer work. They do spend the summer in meetings, lesson planning for the season, etc unpaid. My wife also spent a bunch of her paycheck on school supplies, snacks to reward her class, bought a student a pair of shoes last year (didn't own shoes that fit) and other such things. I think we need to cherish our teachers and because some parents don't want to deal with their kid during the day, they should realize many teachers come home to family members that may be high risk. My wife teaches over 100 kids a day in middle school and if 1 kid tests positive for COVID, you are now putting every kid and their families at risk. Many of us are privilidged enough to be able to be home with our kids during the day, but there's many families in this state that will have a much tougher time with this. For those families who depend on school while both parents or single parents work low paid jobs with a lot of hours, they are in a huge bind for this fall. Trying to now afford daycare is going to be a huge issue in our state. Let's bond together in these times, support our teachers and we will all move on. If we are really worried that teachers will be paid for still continuing to teach students online, we have bigger issues. I'm sure teachers will gladly swap salaries or take your donations to pay for classroom equipment or other resources they pay for out of their pocket.


kickingandscreaming said:
You know how much you are getting paid each year, right? When I taught, they spread out that salary over the whole year - including the summer. Would you prefer that or do you prefer having the "summer" money up front? Sounds like your union was better than mine.
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espola said:
www.newsweek.com

Charter and Public School Students Perform Similarly on Tests, Report Finds

The U.S. Department of Education's National Center for Educational Statistics released a report that noted "no measurable differences" in the students' average reading and mathematics scores.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com
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When comparing charter schools, compare it to the schools the student ran away from. Otherwise you are reading articles back by teachers unions trying to compare apples to oranges. Why else would racists like joe biden prevent black kids from integrating schools where his kids went? Even the studies and articles you posted said charter schools in the inner cities out perform other inner city public schools. The failing charter schools are scrutinized more than regular public schools. Your article even said the failing charter schools, a whopping 8% closed while regular public schools can't do that. That proves in order to fix the problems in our education system, we need to be able to close schools that don't work, we need to fire teachers that fail to educate, you cant do that with regular public schools. Charter schools make that happen.
 
Copa9 said:
LAUSD teachers want the huge amount of money allocated to police, to be allocated to education, to your children. You can not even come close to comparing a classroom environment to Costco or Walmart, that is a stupid comparison so I won't go there. The biggest concern about the virus in schools is that it can be transmitted from an asymptomatic child to another child or teacher or staff member, possibly killing them or even the parents of the child who takes it home. Just one example of a problem, our school had four bathrooms for 600 students, 2 boys and 2 girls restrooms. Even if half the student body is there that is 300 children using the bathrooms. As a parent or visitor to our school you are never allowed in a bathroom. It can be disgusting. We are looking at a nightmare if this virus isn't contained. Studies have shown that the virus exists in excreted fecal matter. Enough said about that. Everyone would love to see everyone back to a normal routine but until we do things better following all guide lines, it shouldn't happen. In Europe where kids have gone back to school, the schools have really been able to social distance, practice good hygiene and wear masks and they still have had cluster outbreaks, they immediately trace and quarantine. If we can do it like them, then great, let's go back. Oh, and let's make sure there is actually soap in the dispensers in schools and classrooms if they are lucky enough to have a sink in the room, paper towels would be a nice luxury too.
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You have it all figured out I see.

Speaking of stupid...you support defunding the police. GTFOH!
 
Copa9 said:
You do realize teachers and staff don't get paid during the summer right? You do also realize teachers pay taxes too.
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You do realize massive amounts of staff and some teachers have been getting paid for sitting at home doing nothing since early March and will now be doing same in the fall. You do also realize they should pay taxes too.
 
NorcalsoccerYNWA said:
Teachers absolutely don't get paid during the summer. Most take their 45k (my wife's salary) and spread it over 12 months as teachers. They might get a paycheck over summer, but they aren't "paid" for summer work. They do spend the summer in meetings, lesson planning for the season, etc unpaid. My wife also spent a bunch of her paycheck on school supplies, snacks to reward her class, bought a student a pair of shoes last year (didn't own shoes that fit) and other such things. I think we need to cherish our teachers and because some parents don't want to deal with their kid during the day, they should realize many teachers come home to family members that may be high risk. My wife teaches over 100 kids a day in middle school and if 1 kid tests positive for COVID, you are now putting every kid and their families at risk. Many of us are privilidged enough to be able to be home with our kids during the day, but there's many families in this state that will have a much tougher time with this. For those families who depend on school while both parents or single parents work low paid jobs with a lot of hours, they are in a huge bind for this fall. Trying to now afford daycare is going to be a huge issue in our state. Let's bond together in these times, support our teachers and we will all move on. If we are really worried that teachers will be paid for still continuing to teach students online, we have bigger issues. I'm sure teachers will gladly swap salaries or take your donations to pay for classroom equipment or other resources they pay for out of their pocket.
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Starting salary for LAUSD credentialed teacher is north of $45K. Many are making closer to 6 figures.With great benefits and large amounts of Time Off they are not doing bad at all.
 
NorcalsoccerYNWA said:
Teachers absolutely don't get paid during the summer. Most take their 45k (my wife's salary) and spread it over 12 months as teachers. They might get a paycheck over summer, but they aren't "paid" for summer work. They do spend the summer in meetings, lesson planning for the season, etc unpaid. My wife also spent a bunch of her paycheck on school supplies, snacks to reward her class, bought a student a pair of shoes last year (didn't own shoes that fit) and other such things. I think we need to cherish our teachers and because some parents don't want to deal with their kid during the day, they should realize many teachers come home to family members that may be high risk. My wife teaches over 100 kids a day in middle school and if 1 kid tests positive for COVID, you are now putting every kid and their families at risk. Many of us are privilidged enough to be able to be home with our kids during the day, but there's many families in this state that will have a much tougher time with this. For those families who depend on school while both parents or single parents work low paid jobs with a lot of hours, they are in a huge bind for this fall. Trying to now afford daycare is going to be a huge issue in our state. Let's bond together in these times, support our teachers and we will all move on. If we are really worried that teachers will be paid for still continuing to teach students online, we have bigger issues. I'm sure teachers will gladly swap salaries or take your donations to pay for classroom equipment or other resources they pay for out of their pocket.
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My point is, you know what you are getting paid for the year. Whether you get it over 10 months or 12 months, you know what it is. I absolutely support teachers. My dad was a teacher, I was a teacher. You won't get any argument from me if they raise teacher salaries or actually supply the necessary materials needed for teaching, but that had nothing to do with what I posted.

Let me ask you. What do you think of the demands of the LAUSD teacher's union and how that helps the families in LA feel like the teachers are bonding with them?
 
Educator here...about 70% of my colleagues want to give school a shot (high school aged kids). Masks 100% of time, outdoor classrooms and/or windows open 100% of time, disinfect 1x/week with the machines the casinos are using, in-person classes 4x/ week, Fridays online learning, temps taken daily and if you're over 100.4 you go home, no ifs/ands/buts. We can manage our school environment and have compliance, but the worry is what do kids do over the weekend or when they get home. We need the help of parents, but many of them are disbelievers or just don't have the balls to stand up to their kids and tell them "no, you can't go to the house party tonight."

30% do not and you know who most of this group are -- the loudest and most defiant when it comes to any issue. Every workplace has them so teachers are not unique. Just need powerful leaders to take reasonable precautions and id unreasonable fears.

Elementary schools should reopen 100% as the science completely supports non-transmission under 12yrs old.
 
Hugh Jasol said:
Starting salary for LAUSD credentialed teacher is north of $45K. Many are making closer to 6 figures.With great benefits and large amounts of Time Off they are not doing bad at all.
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I Wonder how many of those LAUSD folks thank an essential business cashier or store employee making not much more than minimum wage to face hundreds of people daily for the benefit of all and display the grit, heart and spine to go to work everyday for others. What a concept.
 
oh canada said:
Educator here...about 70% of my colleagues want to give school a shot (high school aged kids). Masks 100% of time, outdoor classrooms and/or windows open 100% of time, disinfect 1x/week with the machines the casinos are using, in-person classes 4x/ week, Fridays online learning, temps taken daily and if you're over 100.4 you go home, no ifs/ands/buts. We can manage our school environment and have compliance, but the worry is what do kids do over the weekend or when they get home. We need the help of parents, but many of them are disbelievers or just don't have the balls to stand up to their kids and tell them "no, you can't go to the house party tonight."

30% do not and you know who most of this group are -- the loudest and most defiant when it comes to any issue. Every workplace has them so teachers are not unique. Just need powerful leaders to take reasonable precautions and id unreasonable fears.

Elementary schools should reopen 100% as the science completely supports non-transmission under 12yrs old.
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Unfortunately, 100% of your union disagrees with you and ALL district employees continue to stay home with full pay. So here we are.
 
oh canada said:
Educator here...about 70% of my colleagues want to give school a shot (high school aged kids). Masks 100% of time, outdoor classrooms and/or windows open 100% of time, disinfect 1x/week with the machines the casinos are using, in-person classes 4x/ week, Fridays online learning, temps taken daily and if you're over 100.4 you go home, no ifs/ands/buts. We can manage our school environment and have compliance, but the worry is what do kids do over the weekend or when they get home. We need the help of parents, but many of them are disbelievers or just don't have the balls to stand up to their kids and tell them "no, you can't go to the house party tonight."

30% do not and you know who most of this group are -- the loudest and most defiant when it comes to any issue. Every workplace has them so teachers are not unique. Just need powerful leaders to take reasonable precautions and id unreasonable fears.

Elementary schools should reopen 100% as the science completely supports non-transmission under 12yrs old.
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Love the can-do attitude, creativity and courage shown here. Allow the high risk teachers to do online learning and assist in other ways.
 
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