My daughter got her license last October, so yeah that's the risky thing I've let any of my children do.
No Soccer - Bad / No School - Catastrophic!
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met61
GOLD
A dodge. Cute song.
met61
GOLD
Fact Check: TRUE
met61
GOLD
Life is full of risk and what-ifs, keep you kid at home, but don't force it on others.
met61
GOLD
Again, well done.
I’m all about stats. Look at total deaths coronavirus for ages 1-24 compared to total deaths.
162 Coronavirus deaths compared to 16000 other deaths for ages 1-24. The three leading reasons for deaths for ages 1-24? Unintentional Injury, homicide, and Suicide.
So next time you leave your kid alone, or drive somewhere, or let them go outside by themself or with friends, or go to a movie, soccer game, walk anywhere, do anything, remember all those things are more dangerous per the CDC numbers then coronavirus.
Now if you are worried about your kid transmitting the disease to someone that is high risk or much much older than I can see people having a valid point to keep them out of school. Risk for the kids, not so much.
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Elimination of the extra $600/wk in unemployment would change a lot of people’s opinions!
Eagle33
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Bingo!
MacDre
PREMIER
So could you quantify what would be an unacceptable amount of risk for your kid to return to school?
The minimum threshold for people worried about their kids is that it has to at the very minimum be more risky than the flu season (which for kids, COVID isn't), more risky than driving to school each day, and more risky than playing soccer (which we assume most people on this board let their kids do). We don't shut down schools every year when there's a bad flu season. Otherwise, people are being irrational. Danger of kids transmitting to the parents, as others have said, is a completely different story.....
Yes. If coronavirus in ages 1-25 had the same amount of deaths as suicides, murders, or unintentional deaths.
Teachers and anyone working for any school district should be declared essential and made to work. I’m tired of all the bitching and whining. If all the Agriculture workers, most of which are older, would stop working because of Covid then the country would not be able to feed itself. These hard working people come out to work everyday, risking their lives for the American people. It’s time the teachers do the same. Too bad that will never happen, because we live in a weak ass state that let’s the unions dictate what happens next. Hopefully Trump withholds funding and makes their ass get back to work.
MacDre
PREMIER
Not the case at all. The threshold is how to minimize transmission of a virus that has greater morbidity and in instances greater mortality rates than the flu. Mortality is based upon the # of covid deaths divided by # of Covid cases. There is no vaccine unlike the flu, and greater hospitalizations across all demographics unlike the flu. Additionally, covid doesn’t have a “season “ unlike the flu. Meaning, transmission can and will occur regardless of weather. So, unless you are placing kids in a bubble and isolating them from their families they will not only contract the virus but be spreaders as well. To my knowledge, morbidity and mortality from vehicle accidents and playing soccer isn’t contagious. But maybe you know something I don’t. Comparing covid to the flu is irresponsible and become a political rallying point for some ridiculous reason. Personally, I wouldn’t want myself or my child to be a victim of either. But you do you.
Teachers love helping children but not when it kills them, and especially not when teaching can be done online. It’s so cowardly of all of you to demand that others risk their lives just because you can’t handle a little responsibility for your child’s education.
Regardless, I’m going to rely on the opinions of experts, and not Chuck Woolery and his merry little band of anonymous whiner MAGATs who hang out here.
Reading comprehension. I'm talking only about the people who are worried about the risk to the child. The ones who say "I'd never risk my kids like that." Very simple. The stats show it's not as risky for them as the flu. Seasonality doesn't work because they still send there kids to school and soccer practice during flu season. The vaccine doesn't work because it's not always effective (some times as low as 20%), If you are worried about your kid catching it, but don't have the same concern during flu season, putting them in a car (or driving one) or letting them play soccer (especially if they are GKs) then you are being irrational.
I did say that concern for spread to adults is a valid concern (both from an individual parent perspective and a societal one). But let me be clear: what we are essentially asking then is for the children to be harmed and to sacrifice themselves for the sake of adults (especially very older adults). It's also very different than the precedents we've set in the past where the maxim : "women and children first" used to prevail.
All these theads eventually turn into this:
MSK357
GOLD
you are incorrect, mortality rate is not # of covid deaths divided by # covid cases. It's covid deaths divided by total people that had covid. Not everyone is getting tested and neither are the asymptomatic people. CDC even put out a new mortality rate that is similar to the flu. Even COVID deaths is up for debate, especially when we have health officials saying covid deaths doesnt mean the death was caused by COVID. Health officials even explained that even if someone had a week to live due to cancer and just got covid right now and died a week later, it will still be classified as a COVID death. The fact is 0 kids between 0-17 have died from COVID in california and hundreds of HEALTHY kids die from the flu every year. Thats with a vaccine available. make the old and sick stay home.
The commentary in Spanish in the video s pretty hilarious.
Desert Hound
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"effectively cannot reopen unless certain conditions are met: privately operated publicly funded charter schools are shut down"We can find alternatives to youth sports. There have been many good suggestions for replacing the physical part of club soccer, it's the social and emotional part that is a challenge.
But, the more serious problem is schools not reopening. Kids must have the structured daily academic environment that school provides, not only for continued learning, but also social and emotional needs...this is not easily replaced, not should it be. Kids have been out of school since early March, returing to school is a must. School is as essential, or even more so, as any Costco or Walmart.
The fact that not reopening schools is weakly supported, at best, by science and data should concern parents...but, the below fact that LAUSD has made school reopening contingent on political demands should set all parents hair on fire!
That is part of their ridiculous demands.
The reasoning for that one has to be that charters schools make the public schools bad in general. And especially in this environment if schools can do only online courses.
My DD goes to a charter school and when things shut down in March, they were immediately up and running with online classes every day of the week. They had online classes with every one of their teachers.
When I talked to the parents in our public school district, their kids basically got nothing.
That union is out for itself. It is not interesting in parents or kids. All about power and money.
Desert Hound
DA
So you are saying they become entertaining?
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Wow, could they be anymore tone deaf? Any bets on when we see, "Defund the Teachers"?