No games until 2021

MacDre said:
So where are all of these closed parks. There are 2 state parks by my house and both are open (Benicia & East Bay Regional) I’ve also been to several city parks too (Benicia, Concord, Walnut Creek, Hercules, Vallejo, and Berkeley). Santa Cruz, Mt. Lassen, and Tahoe (CA side) all open too.
But, if city parks are closed, what does that have to do with Sacramento?
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State parks? Tahoe? Lassen? Those are all for adults. How many kids can get to Tahoe or Lassen on their own?

I’m talking city parks and school yards. Like the basketball court with no hoops down the street from me. The city parks with the bathrooms locked 24/7. Or the middle school field with no one playing baseball. These are the places kids normally can go and play.

What do city park and rec closures have to do with Sacramento? Sacramento has the infectious disease experts. Sacramento asked for the shutdown. Sacramento developed the watch list and the color system. Now all of a sudden you want me to believe this is no time for central leadership?

Hogwash. Infectious disease is a key time for central leadership- both for shutdowns and openings. So far, leadership on openings has focused on the things adults use. Higher risk, but linked to employment so it gets attention.

Some focus on opening kid entertainment would be helpful. Especially because we still need guidance on how to open up intelligently.

Instead, we are making up our own rules. Even those of us who support Newsom are making it up as we go. Why? Because the state hasn’t given us a better alternative.
 
Eagle33 said:
You can go to any other Irvine park and do so without asking anyone.
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My dd is at the age of recruitment now. She followed the rules and decided to wait until June 15th to start the process. I know she's selfish for even wanting to play soccer at the highest level in college in California. As things stand, my soon to be 17 year old is sh*t out of luck and she should do something else with her time some say. Well guess what? She is determined to play and I'm determined to help her play. After Nov 3rd, we shall see what the next moves will be. If were like this through next year or past, then she's going to see how much she really loves soccer. Right now, no official soccer games allowed in the state of California.
 
MacDre said:
I have some serious doubts as to the veracity of your statement regarding unknown risk.

COVID sucks for all but complaining doesn’t help. I guess I’m a make lemonade out of lemons type of guy. Isn’t mental fortitude an important quality for a keeper? What about the adage “if it doesn’t kill you, it will make you stronger?”
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Until it does kill you, right? Or your child/friend/neighbor/spouse? And I'm not talking about Covid. There are a lot of people hurting financially and emotionally right now.
 
dad4 said:
State parks? Tahoe? Lassen? Those are all for adults. How many kids can get to Tahoe or Lassen on their own?

I’m talking city parks and school yards. Like the basketball court with no hoops down the street from me. The city parks with the bathrooms locked 24/7. Or the middle school field with no one playing baseball. These are the places kids normally can go and play.

What do city park and rec closures have to do with Sacramento? Sacramento has the infectious disease experts. Sacramento asked for the shutdown. Sacramento developed the watch list and the color system. Now all of a sudden you want me to believe this is no time for central leadership?

Hogwash. Infectious disease is a key time for central leadership- both for shutdowns and openings. So far, leadership on openings has focused on the things adults use. Higher risk, but linked to employment so it gets attention.

Some focus on opening kid entertainment would be helpful. Especially because we still need guidance on how to open up intelligently.

Instead, we are making up our own rules. Even those of us who support Newsom are making it up as we go. Why? Because the state hasn’t given us a better alternative.
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Very well. Fair enough.
 
MacDre said:
I promise I’m not preaching. I truly don’t understand the rush back to soccer. Many frequently speak about their kids dreams to play college soccer but turn around and say their kid only plays soccer. WTF? I come from a time and place where kids played multiple sports. This travel ball mentality is new and very strange to me.

So I guess my question to all regardless of whether your kid is 8, 12, or 16 is how is only playing soccer beneficial? Doesn’t cross training increase athleticism and reduce risk of injury? Doesn’t cross training increase the chance of excelling in soccer?
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It’s not just the soccer, we come here to complain about it cause we have not other outlets for that singular part of the equation.
The most difficult part to try to explain to them is how their friend and NT companions are playing because they live in a different state yet she can’t even run live contact drills. Can’t play Beach Volleyball (another sport they enjoy) cause the County won’t allow it. It goes beyond the sport, but the sport represents a lot more to them than just the game.

yes....it does change as they get older some become more committed and some less. Factor in hormones, social issues and you just start compounding problems.
 
MacDre said:
I promise I’m not preaching. I truly don’t understand the rush back to soccer. Many frequently speak about their kids dreams to play college soccer but turn around and say their kid only plays soccer. WTF? I come from a time and place where kids played multiple sports. This travel ball mentality is new and very strange to me.

So I guess my question to all regardless of whether your kid is 8, 12, or 16 is how is only playing soccer beneficial? Doesn’t cross training increase athleticism and reduce risk of injury? Doesn’t cross training increase the chance of excelling in soccer?
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Because soccer is known globally as the most beautiful game for a reason. It's inherently more fun and satisfying participating in team sports than individual sports.

As a family we have done the biking, skateboarding, RC, swimming, poker (my 6-year-old knows how to play draw poker now thanks to Covid), piano, and countless other things over the past seven months. But at the end of the day my kids like team sports above all else.

We are not in a "rush" to get back to soccer. We patiently waited 7 months. Compared to all the activities with non-zero risk that are allowed to open, soccer (also non-zero risk) is much safer in our own determination.

My DD goes to a school that offers both hybrid and virtual programs. She chose hybrid and some of her best friends chose virtual only. My DD doesn't ask her friends how long they will hide in the basement, and her friends don't accuse her of killing grandparents. They respect each other's decisions and remain good friends. We can all learn to act more like adults from our kids.
 
Kicker4Life said:
It’s not just the soccer, we come here to complain about it cause we have not other outlets for that singular part of the equation.
The most difficult part to try to explain to them is how their friend and NT companions are playing because they live in a different state yet she can’t even run live contact drills. Can’t play Beach Volleyball (another sport they enjoy) cause the County won’t allow it. It goes beyond the sport, but the sport represents a lot more to them than just the game.

yes....it does change as they get older some become more committed and some less. Factor in hormones, social issues and you just start compounding problems.
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I was a fucking “crash dummy” from around 14-25 years old so I am not looking forward to adolescence. Thanks for sharing.
 
Grace T. said:
If a policy such as a mask mandate is dependent upon people using them correctly and not cheating then it's not a fair defense of the policy to say it would have succeded if people had been better at it. The article does not say if the people were subject to a mask mandate, but there at least seems to be a social one because as you say "if you ask us, we all wear masks". What your statement implies then is to be effective, police (or someone in authority), like seatbeats should be empowered to ticket (or some other sanction) of folks that go around removing masks for conversations, or taking them off early when sitting at a restaurant, or letting their noses peak out. Or you are claiming the policy would fail because we have failed to properly "educate" people and have yet to build the perfect Soviet man.
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Masks are helpful, and peer pressure is a major part of it. Nothing wrong with that. Peer pressure worked for drunk driving, too.

Which is why I object when people undermine the mask policy with medical misinformation, such as your study. It measured mask use by the wrong person- the recipient of the virus instead of the source. Even at that, it used a completely unreliable method to gather data. What you have is poorly collected data about the wrong thing. Not useful. And, given the ongoing situation, counterproductive.
 
crush said:
My dd is at the age of recruitment now. She followed the rules and decided to wait until June 15th to start the process. I know she's selfish for even wanting to play soccer at the highest level in college in California. As things stand, my soon to be 17 year old is sh*t out of luck and she should do something else with her time some say. Well guess what? She is determined to play and I'm determined to help her play. After Nov 3rd, we shall see what the next moves will be. If were like this through next year or past, then she's going to see how much she really loves soccer. Right now, no official soccer games allowed in the state of California.
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Help a brotha out Crush...why is your kid SOL in regards to playing at the highest level in California due to Covid? Since she’s limiting herself to California, is it possible for her to contact the top schools in CA? How many top schools are in CA Crush?
 
dad4 said:
Instead, we are making up our own rules. Even those of us who support Newsom are making it up as we go. Why? Because the state hasn’t given us a better alternative.
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What else is new. California is full of people who make the rules up as they see fit. For example, the GDA forbid no HS Soccer. Zero, zippo. So my dd had the most agonizing decision. She chose HS Soccer. Then, the rich dads got waivers for their private school kids. The goal post move every time it looks good to open things up. What kind of game are we playing that so many people have lost everything, have to move or have to get abortion so they can continue on with their education? This is a gnarly game to play and if your lucky enough not to be bastard, then you have a much better chance in life.
 
dad4 said:
Masks are helpful, and peer pressure is a major part of it. Nothing wrong with that. Peer pressure worked for drunk driving, too.

Which is why I object when people undermine the mask policy with medical misinformation, such as your study. It measured mask use by the wrong person- the recipient of the virus instead of the source. Even at that, it used a completely unreliable method to gather data. What you have is poorly collected data about the wrong thing. Not useful. And, given the ongoing situation, counterproductive.
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I find that entertaining. So now you don't like what the CDC reports in their own study? The one that highlights masks appear not to be effective in preventing people from getting the virus?

Which aligns with the 14 studies previously documented by the CDC that shows that outside of a medical setting masks have little utility.
 
Messi>CR7 said:
My DD goes to a school that offers both hybrid and virtual programs. She chose hybrid and some of her best friends chose virtual only. My DD doesn't ask her friends how long they will hide in the basement, and her friends don't accuse her of killing grandparents. They respect each other's decisions and remain good friends. We can all learn to act more like adults from our kids.
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Well said and it seems the kids understand "freedom of choice" better than adults.
 
Desert Hound said:
I find that entertaining. So now you don't like what the CDC reports in their own study? The one that highlights masks appear not to be effective in preventing people from getting the virus?

Which aligns with the 14 studies previously documented by the CDC that shows that outside of a medical setting masks have little utility.
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From CDC FAQ, 4 days ago --

Are masks effective in preventing COVID-19?
Wearing cloth masks can help prevent people infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 from spreading the virus. Make sure your cloth mask: fits snugly but comfortably against the side of the face, completely covers the nose and mouth, is secured with ties or ear loops, includes multiple layers of fabric, allows for breathing without restriction, and can be laundered and machine dried without damage or change to shape. Cloth masks should NOT be worn by children less than 2 years old or anyone who has trouble breathing or is unconscious, incapacitated, or otherwise unable to remove the mask without assistance.
 
MacDre said:
Help a brotha out Crush...why is your kid SOL in regards to playing at the highest level in California due to Covid? Since she’s limiting herself to California, is it possible for her to contact the top schools in CA? How many top schools are in CA Crush?
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Great question Dre. My dd ((half Native American)) waited for this big moment in time. To be able to play ((not looking for practice squad player at Big U)) in college is her dream. She has plenty of interest. The problem is being able to play when she get's there. California is hard core. I see these ladies talk and they remind me of school days and lady teachers always telling me, "Stop interrupting me, I'm the boss" Boss lady is not what I'm looking for as I finish the back 9 in life. My kids are getting played at that sucks and i will fight for them bro. Plus, DH hubby is taking spots a way with his stupid letters of recommendations that are full of BS stories of how good the soccer player is when they played in AYSO. When the bio of some of these fakers greatest sports accomplishment is horse racing and the D1 sport your playing is soccer, I got a problem with that and it actually really pisses me off.
 
MacDre said:
I promise I’m not preaching. I truly don’t understand the rush back to soccer. Many frequently speak about their kids dreams to play college soccer but turn around and say their kid only plays soccer. WTF? I come from a time and place where kids played multiple sports. This travel ball mentality is new and very strange to me.

So I guess my question to all regardless of whether your kid is 8, 12, or 16 is how is only playing soccer beneficial? Doesn’t cross training increase athleticism and reduce risk of injury? Doesn’t cross training increase the chance of excelling in soccer?
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It does help, but unfortunately around 11-12 club soccer at the highest level requires so much time, there isn't time for the other sports. In addition, most soccer coaches at that level want their players only training/playing soccer. If you do end up playing other sports, overuse becomes an issue. Once HS hits, good luck with playing another sport. It happens, but few and far inbetween.... but all of this has been discussed at nauseam as I'm sure you know.
 
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