Just got back from Scottsdale where the kid played in a college ID clinic. First time she had real contact scrimmage in 8 months. She was so excited to play again and did remarkably well. There appears to be no covid in Arizona. Everything is open. Bars and restaurants packed. I walked into a packed restaurant with my mask on to get a to go order and everyone looked at me like I had the plague. What a difference from California where they are ruining people's business and lives with the closures. I have no doubt there are political motives behind these restrictions and if dems win then everything opens up again to boom the economy. F California and all the radical left socialists that have ruined this state and taken away childhood memories from our kids.
No games until 2021
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This is why self reporting is a really bad way to gather data. Yes, if you ask us, we all wear masks.
CDC Study Finds Overwhelming Majority Of People Getting Coronavirus Wore Masks
Over 70 percent of the case-patients who were contaminated with the virus fell ill despite "always" wearing a mask.thefederalist.com
A study conducted in the United States in July found that when they compared 154 “case-patients,” who tested positive for COVID-19, to a control group of 160 participants from the same health care facility who were symptomatic but tested negative, over 70 percent of the case-patients were contaminated with the virus and fell ill despite “always” wearing a mask.
“In the 14 days before illness onset, 71% of case-patients and 74% of control participants reported always using cloth face coverings or other mask types when in public,” the report stated.
In addition, over 14 percent of the case-patients said they “often” wore a face covering and were still infected with the virus."
That's because people lie when one answer is acceptable and the other is not. If you want to know whether people wear masks, use a camera.
If both answers are acceptable, you can find out interesting things. Like people who catch covid are more than twice as likely to have gone to restaurants as people who did not catch covid:
Community and Close Contact Exposures Associated with COVID-19 ...
Community and close contact exposures continue to drive the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic. CDC and other public health authorities recommend community mitigation strategies ...
www.cdc.gov
MacDre
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I promise I’m not preaching. I truly don’t understand the rush back to soccer. Many frequently speak about their kids dreams to play college soccer but turn around and say their kid only plays soccer. WTF? I come from a time and place where kids played multiple sports. This travel ball mentality is new and very strange to me.
So I guess my question to all regardless of whether your kid is 8, 12, or 16 is how is only playing soccer beneficial? Doesn’t cross training increase athleticism and reduce risk of injury? Doesn’t cross training increase the chance of excelling in soccer?
That's what 99.5% of us are trying to get across to the .5% with all the power and decision making in our lives. This virus is not killing and I repeat, the virus is not killing the kids. My old adage is, "play ball." It has to be about something else Dre and the kids are stuck in the middle and that is why one side will lose. Mess with the kids life and you think that is a winning formula? It's a lot like divorce, when the parents fight, the kids get used as pawns and trust me, divorce can get nasty. Guess what, our kids are getting the short end of the stick all because some adults can;t get along and will do whatever and use whatever means necessary to get what they believe is rightfully theirs and most importantly, how wrong one side is. I have my own special fund for my end of life care so I NEVER end up with one these docs making decisions for my health. hell no!!!!
If a policy such as a mask mandate is dependent upon people using them correctly and not cheating then it's not a fair defense of the policy to say it would have succeded if people had been better at it. The article does not say if the people were subject to a mask mandate, but there at least seems to be a social one because as you say "if you ask us, we all wear masks". What your statement implies then is to be effective, police (or someone in authority), like seatbeats should be empowered to ticket (or some other sanction) of folks that go around removing masks for conversations, or taking them off early when sitting at a restaurant, or letting their noses peak out. Or you are claiming the policy would fail because we have failed to properly "educate" people and have yet to build the perfect Soviet man.
If big tech doesn’t silence scientist, besides WHO, they need to start calling out the Fuhrors, whacky and diabolical decisions. Start voting this man and his agenda out of office as soon as we can, so at least the divorce will be final.
Eagle33
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It's very hard to vote out anyone if majority of people in CA who vote wearing mask inside their own cars
youthsportsugghhh
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The problem I have is how people keep saying the scientists obviously got it wrong in the beginning because they keep changing their minds. The science was and is correct -- the politicians are making it more. Science gives you information and you do with it what you will. Terms like FEAR and TERRIFIED don't move things forward effectively just like calling names isn't productive.
The lockdown was the correct call at the beginning when things were severely unknown and new. Opening things up now has mixed results because not everyone is rowing in the same direction -- one side is rowing to the right and the other to the left -- not productive.
IMO -- Wearing masks is still the correct call when out in public, but I don't have an issue with opening certain places up if space and precautions can be taken. That goes for youth sports -- I am skeptical that basketball going on in places isn't having an affect on the cases in the community. I can also see where it wouldn't be a big deal if the kids participating are all on the same page and really not having contact with the greater community. Suffice it to say -- I think soccer could work, but again it would take people actually working together to keep contacts in that limited group.
The lockdown was the correct call at the beginning when things were severely unknown and new. Opening things up now has mixed results because not everyone is rowing in the same direction -- one side is rowing to the right and the other to the left -- not productive.
IMO -- Wearing masks is still the correct call when out in public, but I don't have an issue with opening certain places up if space and precautions can be taken. That goes for youth sports -- I am skeptical that basketball going on in places isn't having an affect on the cases in the community. I can also see where it wouldn't be a big deal if the kids participating are all on the same page and really not having contact with the greater community. Suffice it to say -- I think soccer could work, but again it would take people actually working together to keep contacts in that limited group.
PruritusAniFC
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dont you mean the opposite
MacDre
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Are the parks in your hood closed Crush? If so, why not ask your mayor to open them up?
I don't have the history at my finger tips, but the change began with the rise of the notion of "1000 touches a day" to become an expert at something, which really took off in the early 2000. And IIRC it began with music (piano or violin). The unfortunate reality is that there is some truth to that. Human beings learn through repetition and muscle memory. In either music or athletics, you want to get to the point where you don't have to think about something in order to execute it....your body has seen the scenario and just reacts to it.
Add to that complexity is that there is a lot to learn. Take goalkeeping for example. A goalkeeper (on top of being a great soccer player) must learn (partial list): handling and the various hand positions; positioning, footwork, and angel play; the low dive, the high dive, the forward dive (both collapse and extension, low/top/both hands); defending a cross or corner; high catches and tipping over bar; distribution (rolls, GKs, various throws, punts, sidewinder); defending the free kick; defending the penalty; tactics; communication; sweeper play and the backpass; and the 1 v 1 (and about 7+ different techniques to defend hem). Once a week group lessons starting at age 12 isn't going to get you all these things yet the game requires a GK to know (if not be a master in) all of them. It takes a year just to get the average kid GK to catch and dive without hurting themselves before you can even get to improving effective defensive play.
In the past a great all around athlete could fake it and make up with their athleticism. But that was before a few individuals began to specialize and really learn their craft. It's a bit of a prisoner's dilemma....if a few people are doing it, the others will fall behind unless they do it as well...it would take a collective agreement by everyone that no one is going to specialize, because as soon as 1 person does that person gains an inherent advantage.
It's not just limited to athletics either. In law and medicine, for example, people used to be a lot more generalized but the scope of knowledge has grown over the last 20 or so years that it's impossible for 1 person to learn it all. Even if medicine, for example, it's no longer enough to be just a urologist....instead you are a urologist that specializes in repairing bladder fissures. Add to that specifically that colleges are looking for that specialized athlete, and have in general put an emphasis on people doing amazing things instead of being "well rounded", and you have where we are today.
We need the Great Park to allow full contact soccer for kids. We keep asking and were denied to play a soccer game.
Back in the day there was a common nickname for Brazil Nuts that was racially inappropriate. But I suspect you already knew that.
Eagle33
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You can go to any other Irvine park and do so without asking anyone.
State parks? Tahoe? Lassen? Those are all for adults. How many kids can get to Tahoe or Lassen on their own?
I’m talking city parks and school yards. Like the basketball court with no hoops down the street from me. The city parks with the bathrooms locked 24/7. Or the middle school field with no one playing baseball. These are the places kids normally can go and play.
What do city park and rec closures have to do with Sacramento? Sacramento has the infectious disease experts. Sacramento asked for the shutdown. Sacramento developed the watch list and the color system. Now all of a sudden you want me to believe this is no time for central leadership?
Hogwash. Infectious disease is a key time for central leadership- both for shutdowns and openings. So far, leadership on openings has focused on the things adults use. Higher risk, but linked to employment so it gets attention.
Some focus on opening kid entertainment would be helpful. Especially because we still need guidance on how to open up intelligently.
Instead, we are making up our own rules. Even those of us who support Newsom are making it up as we go. Why? Because the state hasn’t given us a better alternative.
My dd is at the age of recruitment now. She followed the rules and decided to wait until June 15th to start the process. I know she's selfish for even wanting to play soccer at the highest level in college in California. As things stand, my soon to be 17 year old is sh*t out of luck and she should do something else with her time some say. Well guess what? She is determined to play and I'm determined to help her play. After Nov 3rd, we shall see what the next moves will be. If were like this through next year or past, then she's going to see how much she really loves soccer. Right now, no official soccer games allowed in the state of California.
Until it does kill you, right? Or your child/friend/neighbor/spouse? And I'm not talking about Covid. There are a lot of people hurting financially and emotionally right now.
MacDre
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Very well. Fair enough.
Letter to the editor: Health consequences
Editor: I am dismayed to see a long letter touting the "Zelenko Protocol" to treat COVID-19 in your July 26 paper. Perhaps a little fact-checking on your part would have
It’s not just the soccer, we come here to complain about it cause we have not other outlets for that singular part of the equation.
The most difficult part to try to explain to them is how their friend and NT companions are playing because they live in a different state yet she can’t even run live contact drills. Can’t play Beach Volleyball (another sport they enjoy) cause the County won’t allow it. It goes beyond the sport, but the sport represents a lot more to them than just the game.
yes....it does change as they get older some become more committed and some less. Factor in hormones, social issues and you just start compounding problems.
MacDre
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No doubt and I’m not trying to minimize what folks are going through because I get it that “the struggle is real!”