What about the beach? Anyone writing articles for the beach businesses? It's already packed and were expecting record crowds. So far today I saw two basketball games with adults, bike riders all over the Laguna Canyon, paddle boarder biz is booming today as well. Small waves and super glassy. Scuba divers everywhere. Adults everywhere exercising today as I speak. Kids? I love that everyone is obeying Laguna's mask law. I'm serious, everyone going to sooth oc beaches today please wear a mask. I'm wearing a mask and so is my family out to Claremont. I'll wave to you all on the 241 coming down. Expect major traffic. Please, if you have a fever or feel sick or have health issues, please stay home today. It's a zoo out there. Zooport is packed!!! My dd is already trying to get out of it because everyone is going to da beach today except us. No traffic out to the IE today that's for sure. I just left my walk on the beach with my dog Oreo and it's packed.
New Research on Covid Transmission
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Keepermom2
GOLD
I will point you to my comment "We don't know what we don't know". Your risk tolerance level is such that you believe you know that the risk is low and are willing to take the risk.
I think the following says it best in the article from ESPN Heart condition linked with COVID-19 fuels Power 5 concern about season's viability;
"Dr. Matthew Martinez, director of sports cardiology for Atlantic Health System in New Jersey, said he has received calls from physicians from at least a dozen Power 5 schools who have identified more than a dozen athletes with some post-COVID-19 myocardial injury. He said about half of them had symptoms.
"Initially we thought if you didn't have significant symptoms that you are probably at less risk. We are now finding that that may not be true," he said.
Martinez, who is the league cardiologist for Major League Soccer, team cardiologist for the New York Jets and a consultant for the National Basketball Players Association, said based on what he's seen so far among professional athletes who have had COVID-19, "I'm hopeful the number is under 5%" who have heart-related issues.
Even though the percentage is likely small, Martinez said there is still so much unknown that it is wise to take a conservative approach in returning athletes to play."
Dom is like a ref going from thread to thread handing out yellow cards, red cards and the new super red white and blue card for indefinite suspension.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
In no way was this a criticism of your post. You posted exactly as it was stated and it was as I remembered it as well when I posted.
My problem with how lockdowns, etc. have been presented from the beginning is that they primarily consider only "one side" of the risk - catching COVID and not the "life" ramifications of shutting down. For these athletes, it's worth asking if their risk of death is greater if they play or if they don't? I'd argue that they may be more likely to catch COVID when they aren't playing than when they are. In season, they are generally monitored much more closely and have less free time. I'd think that more risky behavior of various forms will take the place of the "rush" they crave from the competition they will miss. I'd also guess they are more prone to depression having been deprived of a very big part of their lives. The risk of suicide already appears to have gone up. This won't help. As much as this action is presented as "reducing risk", we really don't know that and it may make the risk worse. I understand the Conferences' reluctance. If one athlete catches COVID and dies or dies from the heart condition identified here, it will be all over the news, their judgment will be called into question and they may get sued. I believe they reduced their "risk" and I sincerely hope they reduced the overall risk for the athletes. What we don't know extends well beyond COVID.
Keepermom2
GOLD
I agree 100% with that statement. As a parent of a new adult who has been diagnosed with a major depressive disorder and wants to rightfully exert her freedom, I am in a constant state of trying to balance all of the risks for her mental health. It certainly hasn't been easy but we have managed and without too many names being called.
SoccerLocker
SILVER ELITE
We still don't know what we don't know.
Here's an example of how training with 1 unknown positive player for 1 hour caused a problem for FC Dallas:
After ‘absolute chaos’ in Orlando, FC Dallas can’t wait to get started again
After receiving their results, the two FCD players who tested positive were immediately put into isolation, as required by MLS protocols. The club and league then performed contact tracing, and all individuals who were in close contact with the infected players began to be monitored. On Sunday, June 28th, the day after arriving, the entire Dallas delegation was tested for a second time. The team had scheduled its first Orlando training session for that evening.
At the time, MLS protocols allowed all players and staff members who tested negative upon arrival to participate in all approved activities, even if other individuals in their club’s delegation had tested positive in the initial exam. That meant that Dallas could train that Sunday night — and that the team didn’t need to wait for the results from their tests on Sunday morning before taking the field. Unbeknownst to them before training, a player had tested positive.
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“I think training started at like 7:30 p.m., we got the results back for the tests at 8:30 p.m., and the guy who had tested positive in that round got pulled from the end of practice and basically got quarantined, brought home in a different way then the rest of the team,” said Hollingshead. “But at that point, we’d all been exposed to him for about an hour of a practice that we were sanctioned to go take part in.”
With that, three FC Dallas players had tested positive in Orlando; obviously not ideal, but If the spread didn’t continue, the team still had more than enough healthy players to compete in the tournament. The entire delegation was tested again on Monday. This time, all results came back negative. FCD, which had waited for the results before starting practice, was hopeful at that evening’s training.
Once again, their optimism was short-lived. Three more players tested positive on Tuesday, June 30th, prompting the club to stop training and put its entire delegation in a full quarantine. On Wednesday, July 1st, another three players and one coach tested positive, bringing the total number of positive cases to nine players and one coach.
Here's an example of how training with 1 unknown positive player for 1 hour caused a problem for FC Dallas:
After ‘absolute chaos’ in Orlando, FC Dallas can’t wait to get started again
After receiving their results, the two FCD players who tested positive were immediately put into isolation, as required by MLS protocols. The club and league then performed contact tracing, and all individuals who were in close contact with the infected players began to be monitored. On Sunday, June 28th, the day after arriving, the entire Dallas delegation was tested for a second time. The team had scheduled its first Orlando training session for that evening.
At the time, MLS protocols allowed all players and staff members who tested negative upon arrival to participate in all approved activities, even if other individuals in their club’s delegation had tested positive in the initial exam. That meant that Dallas could train that Sunday night — and that the team didn’t need to wait for the results from their tests on Sunday morning before taking the field. Unbeknownst to them before training, a player had tested positive.
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“I think training started at like 7:30 p.m., we got the results back for the tests at 8:30 p.m., and the guy who had tested positive in that round got pulled from the end of practice and basically got quarantined, brought home in a different way then the rest of the team,” said Hollingshead. “But at that point, we’d all been exposed to him for about an hour of a practice that we were sanctioned to go take part in.”
With that, three FC Dallas players had tested positive in Orlando; obviously not ideal, but If the spread didn’t continue, the team still had more than enough healthy players to compete in the tournament. The entire delegation was tested again on Monday. This time, all results came back negative. FCD, which had waited for the results before starting practice, was hopeful at that evening’s training.
Once again, their optimism was short-lived. Three more players tested positive on Tuesday, June 30th, prompting the club to stop training and put its entire delegation in a full quarantine. On Wednesday, July 1st, another three players and one coach tested positive, bringing the total number of positive cases to nine players and one coach.
I have never heard of that usage of leeches. The first economically successful cigarette maikng machines were invented in the 1889's.
About a century later, the leading executives of the largest US cigarette manufacturers swore in testimony before Congress that cigarettes were not addictive. During that time period, documents were discovered confirming the efforts of scientists they had hired to research tobacco strains and additives that would increase craving for more among their customers.
Yes, and we are back to talking about soccer.
It's good. It was way too easy to goad each other into going political.
Off to watch Bayern/Barca. How the heck did that happen?
Well other states have had full contact soccer for several months and games and even tournaments but nothing about any spread of Covid from soccer.. and you can bet it would be all over the media if there was a cluster of cases. There’s your research. Let our kids play. Is anyone wants their little Jack or Jill to stay home, that’s their choice.
Lack of data is not research.
Desert Hound
DA
And as has been brought up numerous times. The press loves reporting players test positive.
Guess what?
How many actually had issues? They never circle around and say well almost all were asymptomatic and combined with the others that were not, nothing happened to them.
It is always WOW!!! Someone got tested and was postive. VS reporting later...OK neve rmind nothing bad happened.
Well, you are idiots and you are going to die.
Sometimes I am surprised to find that my education is somehow seen as a liability in discussions about things I have actually studied.
The states that are back at soccer have the highest current death rates, which is pretty compelling evidence that their lack of social distancing regulations are resulting in more deaths.
Sure, it’s unlikely a kid will get it playing youth soccer. It’s unlikely they’ll get it because daddy went to a bar last night. It’s unlikely they’ll get it sitting at a restaurant. Or flying in a plane. Or even walking down a boardwalk with no one wearing masks. Ok, it’s pretty likely they’ll get it at HS. And when you add it all up, it’s very likely that they’ll get it in the states that have fully opened up because adding up a lot of unlikely things makes it pretty likely. That, in turn, makes it much more likely that they’ll kill grandma, or their own parent, or their friend’s parent who has a heart condition, or their teacher, or soccer coach, or ref, or the person walking down the street who didn’t even know they had a health condition, or the chubby kid sitting next to her in math class. Or any of the 500 people they get within 6 feet of on a school day with soccer practice.
When you take youth soccer out of context, of course it’s unlikely it will be transmitted playing soccer, just like with any individual interaction. But you need to be looking at the social distancing regulations overall, rather than picking out the bits and pieces that most affect your lifestyle, because for every soccer daddy using his kid to prop up his self-esteem, there are 100 people lined up to pick out exceptions for things that are far more important than whether little Sally gets to lace them up on Saturday. You can’t effectively limit spread by half-assing social distancing.
And the advertising helped, of course --
And Mad Men made reference to "It's toasted"
LSMFT
The data is the fact that they’re holding scrimmages, games, and contact training for months. Nothing in the media about it, nothing from CDC, nothing firm Fauci. The media would pounce on this if it happened… Just like they are doing now every time a college or school student tests positive for Covid.
There are thousands of high school students who have had covid. Very few of them have a CNN article dedicated to the fact.
If covid spreads on the field, it isn’t even clear the team would know, let alone Fauci. If it spreads only to the people who really get close, you wouldn’t even see a cluster. You’d have a couple of asymptomatic kids, and perhaps a parent or two two weeks later.
You know you are not paranoid when they really are out to get you.
The U.S. is one of the worst in the world with respect to contact tracing. Our abysmal response to the pandemic means no one will ever know whether grandma died because little Sally went to soccer practice, HS, the mall, or Starbucks. If we don’t bother trying to figure out how someone got it, it must be fine to do whatever we want, right?
Which countries do COVID-19 contact tracing?
'Limited' contact tracing means some, but not all, cases are traced. 'Comprehensive' tracing means all cases are traced.
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