National Cup Boys 1999 Round of 16 tainted.

GunninGopher said:
Winner of group G was supposed to play WC 3?

It is pretty common to have teams from the same group avoid each other early in bracketed play. Is that the change that was made?
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When you say this is “pretty common” do you mean for tournaments in general or have you seen this done in National or State Cup? I have seen it done in regular tournaments but never in State or National Cup since the purposes of each are very different. Regular tournaments purpose is to challenge teams and get experience. Yes it is also nice to win but this should not be the primary objective. So you do not want to play the same team twice and it makes sense to switch opponents sometimes.

At State and National Cup, which many team view as the culmination of their hard work in regular tournament and league, the objective is to win or at least continue as far as you can. So
unlike regular tournaments, there is no legitimate purpose to switch opponents.
 
espola said:
I'm still trying to figure out why this matters and to whom.
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Why does your team’s ineligible player ruling still come up
often on this forum?

In the present case, it looks like this team is graduating and this is their last opportunity to play together.
 
Fact said:
Why does your team’s ineligible player ruling still come up
often on this forum?

In the present case, it looks like this team is graduating and this is their last opportunity to play together.
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Seems like there is a controversial Cal South ruling every year. In our case, three different rulings on three consecutive days was what made it interesting.

As for the "last opportunity to play together", I don't see how that is germane to the issue at hand.
 
espola said:
Seems like there is a controversial Cal South ruling every year. In our case, three different rulings on three consecutive days was what made it interesting.

As for the "last opportunity to play together", I don't see how that is germane to the issue at hand.
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Last opportunity to play is why it matters!
 
espola said:
Does it matter which team you play?
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It would matter to me and I believe it matter somewhat to CalSouth otherwise they would not even bother trying to seed teams. Brackets would all be random. I would not want to play the strongest team first but would want to build momentum going into it. So yes it matters to some of us. I am not longer going to entertain you today so go pick up some more illegal golf balls.
 
F@ct said:
You probably blocked him on one of your alts. You need to keep your alt game straight, bruh.
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Yes Dbag. I have you blocked and did not notice that I had been logged out so I was subjected to your garbage JoeBieber.

How’s CocoDad Trump and Thunderbolt?
 
Fact said:
Yes Dbag. I have you blocked and did not notice that I had been logged out so I was subjected to your garbage JoeBieber.

How’s CocoDad Trump and Thunderbolt?
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If you were logged out, Joe's posts would not have appeared blocked. Another lie. Keep on keepin on.
 
Fact said:
It would matter to me and I believe it matter somewhat to CalSouth otherwise they would not even bother trying to seed teams. Brackets would all be random. I would not want to play the strongest team first but would want to build momentum going into it. So yes it matters to some of us. I am not longer going to entertain you today so go pick up some more illegal golf balls.
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I found one this morning in the storm drain at the edge of my patio. And I picked it up, so that's my quota for the week.

Back to soccer - it seems to poor little clueless me that the difference between the 2 teams in question is one rung on the wildcard ladder. It also looks like their positions are swapped according to the tie-breaker procedures given in the rules. Is that the entire reason for the emotion shown in the original post?
 
JoeBieber said:
Switching seeds to prevent group play matchups are standard at most tournaments.

You said "This is based on personal relationships and pressure from the owner of FCGS and is corrupt."

What makes you say that?
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Show me where it states switching seeds is standard? If you want me to believe you all you need to do is site the rule.
 
espola said:
I found one this morning in the storm drain at the edge of my patio. And I picked it up, so that's my quota for the week.

Back to soccer - it seems to poor little clueless me that the difference between the 2 teams in question is one rung on the wildcard ladder. It also looks like their positions are swapped according to the tie-breaker procedures given in the rules. Is that the entire reason for the emotion shown in the original post?
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Yes it seems that FCGS and Cal South did not like the outcome of their own tournament, and are giving preferential treatment to one specific club. I signed up for a National Cup decided by the kids on the field, not by stacking teams regardless of results. So if Cal South wished to prevent FCGS and Westcoast playing again they should have seeded them different before the tournament started. So now politics is involved, and I can only imagine what support is being offered or withdrawn to get the tournament schedule changed. If Cal South is the governing body for US Youth Soccer in Southern California, how can "fixing" results be allowed.
 
Game isn’t fixed. This is club soccer and they try to avoid repeat of games previously played. You can choose not to accept that as a reasonable answer, however that is the answer. Go win your game this weekend. That is your method of remedy.
 
David Parsio said:
Yes it seems that FCGS and Cal South did not like the outcome of their own tournament, and are giving preferential treatment to one specific club. I signed up for a National Cup decided by the kids on the field, not by stacking teams regardless of results. So if Cal South wished to prevent FCGS and Westcoast playing again they should have seeded them different before the tournament started. So now politics is involved, and I can only imagine what support is being offered or withdrawn to get the tournament schedule changed. If Cal South is the governing body for US Youth Soccer in Southern California, how can "fixing" results be allowed.
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Which team is getting the preferential treatment?

How would they seed a tournament "different" not knowing who will be the WC teams?

Are you new at this?
 
Frank said:
Game isn’t fixed. This is club soccer and they try to avoid repeat of games previously played. You can choose not to accept that as a reasonable answer, however that is the answer. Go win your game this weekend. That is your method of remedy.
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I believe you're missing the point. Its not the game that's fixed, its the process and use of convenience with no regards to the structural intent.

As for repeat of the same match-up in bracket, give it a rest. It happens all the time in playoffs. I can recall on many occasions where the bracket winner playing on the the WC that happened to be in the same bracket over the years.
 
David Parsio said:
Show me where it states switching seeds is standard? If you want me to believe you all you need to do is site the rule.
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I'm not the one protesting anything. It's happened to both my son and my daughter in tournaments, and it's expected. Sorry you are playing one wildcard seed up. Bottom line is there is no rule against doing this and I very much doubt anyone else is taking this as seriously as you are. Go win your game. No one is bribing anyone to get a slightly better matchup in U19 National Cup.
 
espola said:
Which team is getting the preferential treatment?

How would they seed a tournament "different" not knowing who will be the WC teams?

Are you new at this?
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Go look at the WC seeding page (links in this thread - you obviously have not looked at it based on your comments). How can a team with better stats be ranked lower than one with inferior? Isn't the whole WC based on points, then metrics that differentiate those within with the same points?

So in this case Calsouth stuck seed number 2 into seed number 3 slot and elevated seed number 3 into seed 2. The question is why? If its to say the same repeat game as bracket, so what. Stay with the outcome of the games.
 
mirage said:
Go look at the WC seeding page (links in this thread - you obviously have not looked at it based on your comments). How can a team with better stats be ranked lower than one with inferior? Isn't the whole WC based on points, then metrics that differentiate those within with the same points?

So in this case Calsouth stuck seed number 2 into seed number 3 slot and elevated seed number 3 into seed 2. The question is why? If its to say the same repeat game as bracket, so what. Stay with the outcome of the games.
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What most are ignoring is that while it is common to change seeding to prevent teams from the same bracket from meeting a second time in a tournament (where the intent is to play different teams to get practice) the intent of NC is to win and I have never seen this happen. Has anyone else?
 
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