National Cup Boys 1999 Round of 16 tainted.

espola said:
Which team is getting the preferential treatment?

How would they seed a tournament "different" not knowing who will be the WC teams?

Are you new at this?
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Go look at the WC seeding page (links in this thread - you obviously have not looked at it based on your comments). How can a team with better stats be ranked lower than one with inferior? Isn't the whole WC based on points, then metrics that differentiate those within with the same points?

So in this case Calsouth stuck seed number 2 into seed number 3 slot and elevated seed number 3 into seed 2. The question is why? If its to say the same repeat game as bracket, so what. Stay with the outcome of the games.
 
mirage said:
Go look at the WC seeding page (links in this thread - you obviously have not looked at it based on your comments). How can a team with better stats be ranked lower than one with inferior? Isn't the whole WC based on points, then metrics that differentiate those within with the same points?

So in this case Calsouth stuck seed number 2 into seed number 3 slot and elevated seed number 3 into seed 2. The question is why? If its to say the same repeat game as bracket, so what. Stay with the outcome of the games.
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What most are ignoring is that while it is common to change seeding to prevent teams from the same bracket from meeting a second time in a tournament (where the intent is to play different teams to get practice) the intent of NC is to win and I have never seen this happen. Has anyone else?
 
David Parsio said:
Three calls to AM unanswered today...the FIX is in. How much did it cost?
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You called the tournament director 3x to ask about this? I have to ask, who are you relative to this club or team?

I'll answer the call for you (as heard from the Nat. Cup Program Director's line):
Hello. Who are you and what is your role on the team? I don't see you as a club or team administrator and you are wasting my time. Have your Coach or Club DOC call or, in the interest of time, file a protest immediately. You might let them know that it will cost them $100 to file a protest, which in non refundable. FYI the Competition Panel will review it and find no merit as this is standard practice. If that decision is unacceptable, they can file an appeal with the PAD (for another $100). Don't call again. Bye.
 
The same thing happened to us at blues cup last year. I don’t think it changed the end result of the tournament as the #1 team still won. It just allowed the blues to make it to the finals and lose there as opposed to in the semis. The bottom line is win against whoever is put in front if you and it’s a non issue.
 
GunninGopher said:
You called the tournament director 3x to ask about this? I have to ask, who are you relative to this club or team?

I'll answer the call for you (as heard from the Nat. Cup Program Director's line):
Hello. Who are you and what is your role on the team? I don't see you as a club or team administrator and you are wasting my time. Have your Coach or Club DOC call or, in the interest of time, file a protest immediately. You might let them know that it will cost them $100 to file a protest, which in non refundable. FYI the Competition Panel will review it and find no merit as this is standard practice. If that decision is unacceptable, they can file an appeal with the PAD (for another $100). Don't call again. Bye.
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That might be part of the problem, if he is paying the bills the Cal South dude should take the call.
This pay your dues and shut up shit has got to go, right or wrong someone from Cal South should respond.
 
GunninGopher said:
You called the tournament director 3x to ask about this? I have to ask, who are you relative to this club or team?

I'll answer the call for you (as heard from the Nat. Cup Program Director's line):
Hello. Who are you and what is your role on the team? I don't see you as a club or team administrator and you are wasting my time. Have your Coach or Club DOC call or, in the interest of time, file a protest immediately. You might let them know that it will cost them $100 to file a protest, which in non refundable. FYI the Competition Panel will review it and find no merit as this is standard practice. If that decision is unacceptable, they can file an appeal with the PAD (for another $100). Don't call again. Bye.
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They won’t even give that much information if not a club official.
 
I think the person(parent,player or coach) is upset is because this tournament leads to another tournament Far West Regionals from there to usys national championship. So comparing this tournament to let say (legends cup , some memorial day cup) is comparing apples to oranges. The latter tournaments played in one weekend and National Cup played over multiple weekends.

Just my humble opinion teams should play where they are slotted by the performance on the field especially for tournaments used to qualify to the next tournament.

If people are not happy they can switch over to U.S Club circuit like up in Northern California , where Cal North is a shell and their state tournament are only a weekend or two.
 
DefndrDad said:
The same thing happened to us at blues cup last year. I don’t think it changed the end result of the tournament as the #1 team still won. It just allowed the blues to make it to the finals and lose there as opposed to in the semis. The bottom line is win against whoever is put in front if you and it’s a non issue.
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Believe it or not, most people agree with this practice of switching quarterfinals matchups. It's not fun to travel to a tournament, pay the money, and then play the same team twice in two/three days. And in the end, it's all about fun, right?

Can the two wildcard teams really be that far apart in terms of skill level?
 
JoeBieber said:
Believe it or not, most people agree with this practice of switching quarterfinals matchups. It's not fun to travel to a tournament, pay the money, and then play the same team twice in two/three days. And in the end, it's all about fun, right?

Can the two wildcard teams really be that far apart in terms of skill level?
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It wasn’t changed based on teams playing twice. It was changed because the blues didn’t want to play the #1 team before the finals.
 
JoeBieber said:
Believe it or not, most people agree with this practice of switching quarterfinals matchups. It's not fun to travel to a tournament, pay the money, and then play the same team twice in two/three days. And in the end, it's all about fun, right?

Can the two wildcard teams really be that far apart in terms of skill level?
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I don't believe it. Waiting for your siting of the rules. I am a team official so your parent argument is mute. The matchup if it stays will be a war. Cal South will have no security, insufficient referee skill level, and prove they are a corrupt organization. Let's hope we don't see a repeat of the FCGS Trainer and Coach trying to intimidate the female referee after the game like they did via WCFC. I hope we do knock them off so I can shove it in Cal South's face
 
Fact said:
You lost me at “The integrity of CalSouth.” They have none. Look at last year’s State Cup for 06 with Aneheim Surf using an overaged player with 2 different birth certificates. Other DOCs had mentioned it earlier in the season to AS but nothing was done. Then the player is gone but the team continued in State Cup after being originally disqualified. Politics as usual. Nothing new here.
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And a lot more.
 
This happened with my DD's team back a few NC ago. Wild cards had to be shuffle around so they didn't play the same teams again. No big deal. Like many said CalSouth as crooked and inefficient they could be, the last thing on their mind is how to screw Soltilo FC or whatever other little club is out there to favor the big box clubs. The only thing I'm getting from your post is that you are scared to death to play this FCGS team and feel very insecure in your teams ability to beat them.

I miss LastPlanet and his prediction site.
 
1999 boys- these are 18/19 year olds, right?
Are you going to call their college professors next year if they get a “B” on a final exam?
 
I can just see these kids sitting around their dorm room next year. Probably passing a bong while procrastinating about studying.
"Man, I can't believe we didn't win National Cup last Spring. My life is gonna suck now. I should probably quit college and flip burgers. If only my dad could have made a difference by calling Cal-South and having our schedule changed. And remember that one ref when we were 11 years old? He gave that PK to that cheating slammersurfpateadorsgalaxy team and they beat us in the Whogivesacrap Cup semi-finals? I'm still so depressed from that. Got any more weed?"
 
timbuck said:
I can just see these kids sitting around their dorm room next year. Probably passing a bong while procrastinating about studying.
"Man, I can't believe we didn't win National Cup last Spring. My life is gonna suck now. I should probably quit college and flip burgers. If only my dad could have made a difference by calling Cal-South and having our schedule changed. And remember that one ref when we were 11 years old? He gave that PK to that cheating slammersurfpateadorsgalaxy team and they beat us in the Whogivesacrap Cup semi-finals? I'm still so depressed from that. Got any more weed?"
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Timmy, I hope you'll talk this way when your daughter is at this age... If she's still playing at all.

Just because they are older doesn't mean that the boys/young men don't care about competing.
 
timbuck said:
1999 boys- these are 18/19 year olds, right?
Are you going to call their college professors next year if they get a “B” on a final exam?
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@timbuck I use to think more of you, but not any more. College is different and the OP is an administrator of this team so it is his responsibility to try to do something about something he views as an issue.
@coachsamy thank you for giving some factual information. That is the question I was asking about. We had never had our opponent switched in a Tournament with advancement to a higher level tournament even though we even played a team from the same league multiple times. Of course we have had opponents switched in regular tournaments because the point of those tournaments is to get experience.

Reading between the lines I think the OP is not just concerned about playing a higher rated team. I think it is about bad blood and the game may get out of hand. I get that. Who wants to play a game where you are just waiting for the injuries to happen. This is this team's last tournament before moving on to college and I get that they want to stay healthy and advance so they can continue to play together as long as possible. For all of you who have not experienced a team's final game and the goodbyes, it was a very difficult thing seeing despite social media.
 
Totally expect this conversation for U11s but U19s not so much. You are probably a lot more fired up about this than your boys are. Couple years ago when my oldest aged out the boys were pretty much checked out and ready to move on to bigger and better things. Love those kids but National Cup was not a priority when they had to get home for prom. Enjoy the end of your boy's club soccer career and relax.
 
forsomuch said:
Totally expect this conversation for U11s but U19s not so much. You are probably a lot more fired up about this than your boys are. Couple years ago when my oldest aged out the boys were pretty much checked out and ready to move on to bigger and better things. Love those kids but National Cup was not a priority when they had to get home for prom. Enjoy the end of your boy's club soccer career and relax.
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Winning National cup and going to regionals and maybe the national championship was a pretty big deal for my daughter.
 
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