National Cup Boys 1999 Round of 16 tainted.
- Thread starter David Parsio
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Sheriff Joe
DA
It is legal for illegals to have a CaI heard a few of them speaking English last night after training...just sayin'.
And.....wait for it.....DRIVING!!! But then again..maybe that kid was born here and had a legal CDL.
I will say watching those boys play is pretty awesome..the creativity they show is insane.
driver license, isn't that about the stupidest thing you have heard?
26 yr HS Coach
BRONZE
So Strikers had GS down 4-2 with 6 minutes left until the officials took over. Just a quick note, Bob was seen putting his arms around the female middle reff today before the game. Strikers took it to them 3-0 then let them come back but with 8 min left Strikers took over 4-2. Until this call with U19 kids and the same player who was awarded this PK with 6 min left, earlier this same player was awarded a yellow carded for flopping in this game. I will let you make the call, but here is the video footage of her call. After the game she admitted he dove! And says she is headed to Hawaii for the far west Regionals. Her explanation after the game was that the Strikers Player put both arms around the GS player and took him down in the box. UUUUUMMMMM not sure that happened.
coachrefparent
GOLD
It's next to impossible with this blurry video to see what happened.
But as I understand your post, Strikers are up 4-3 over the fist 85 minutes, after the awarded Pk was made. They then give up 3 unanswered goals toe lose the match 6-4.
This referee is incredible to find a way to let GS score 3 unanswered goals in the last 5 minutes! Of course, had the PK not been awarded Strikers would have not allowed those 3 goals.
David Parsio
BRONZE
Please. Its not blurry. Unfortunate that a game has to come down to a call like this however you will get another shot in FWR. They can't take that away from you.
26 yr HS Coach
BRONZE
Try looking at from a computer dumb ass. The ruling is final and all i was asking for was for you to look at the foul in question. Because if the foul was not called then this game would have been over. But you are retarted and cant sit down an look at what I was asking. So if you don’t think it was a foul then shut up dumb F...ck. Anwer the question was it a foul or not?
InTheValley
SILVER
I agree that this doesn’t show anything. But maybe @David Parsio got better footage from the Bob cam.
I think what he’s saying is that the American team simply lacked intestinal fortitude. So typical. Latin American players cheat. American players wilt under pressure.
David Parsio
BRONZE
I got great footage, but I promised her I wouldn't show it to you. Trust me its not blurry
Sheriff Joe
DA
Maybe a bounty on illegal Brazilian cheaters would be prudent.
I am picking the choking legal American rangers.
David Parsio
BRONZE
Maybe Cal South should just follow their own rules.
InTheValley
SILVER
That’s wise. I’d probably have to update your psych eval to address the delusions.
I watched the video on my 4k 27" monitor in full screen.
One second into the video, the ball is passed to the GS player in question. The ball gets by him and in an attempt to catch up to the ball, he falls. The fall is without any contact but is made to look like a trip (perhaps he tripped himself). All of this within the first 3 seconds of the video. I played it back in slow motion so I could see what really happened.
There are many, many plays with heavy contact that are not called as Pen. Sometimes I really wonder what goes through the CR's head for calling one and not the other. In this particular instance, it should never have been called. There doesn't appear to any contact. Perhaps its the camera angle but its not clear how the CR could have seen the play itself, given the traffic of bodies in front of her. There must have been some assumption made by her part for calling the foul.
This thread for the last few pages clearly shows the perspective of responders. In most cases, the forum today has mostly young girls parents. And I would go out on the limb to say that most have not experienced the game at the National Championship level, like "26's" Strikers (USYSoccer) or DP's Soltilo's (USClub Soccer) teams have.
Most are done at the local National or State Cup, and never have been to FWR, much less the National Championship. They simply have not experienced what its like to expect to compete at that level and amount of intensity, preparation and seriousness that goes along with it. The basic sporting rule of "fair fight" needs to be protected and enforced at all levels, especially at this level, rather than just to dismiss it as "life isn't fair", or at this age they should be able to play against any age.
With the WCFC lost to the Rangers, unfortunately, there will not be a rematch between FCGS and WC. Assuming that FCGS will win, at least there is a chance that the Strikers may face them in Hawaii.
Good luck Strikers.
One second into the video, the ball is passed to the GS player in question. The ball gets by him and in an attempt to catch up to the ball, he falls. The fall is without any contact but is made to look like a trip (perhaps he tripped himself). All of this within the first 3 seconds of the video. I played it back in slow motion so I could see what really happened.
There are many, many plays with heavy contact that are not called as Pen. Sometimes I really wonder what goes through the CR's head for calling one and not the other. In this particular instance, it should never have been called. There doesn't appear to any contact. Perhaps its the camera angle but its not clear how the CR could have seen the play itself, given the traffic of bodies in front of her. There must have been some assumption made by her part for calling the foul.
This thread for the last few pages clearly shows the perspective of responders. In most cases, the forum today has mostly young girls parents. And I would go out on the limb to say that most have not experienced the game at the National Championship level, like "26's" Strikers (USYSoccer) or DP's Soltilo's (USClub Soccer) teams have.
Most are done at the local National or State Cup, and never have been to FWR, much less the National Championship. They simply have not experienced what its like to expect to compete at that level and amount of intensity, preparation and seriousness that goes along with it. The basic sporting rule of "fair fight" needs to be protected and enforced at all levels, especially at this level, rather than just to dismiss it as "life isn't fair", or at this age they should be able to play against any age.
With the WCFC lost to the Rangers, unfortunately, there will not be a rematch between FCGS and WC. Assuming that FCGS will win, at least there is a chance that the Strikers may face them in Hawaii.
Good luck Strikers.
David Parsio
BRONZE
Thank you for expressing what I could not.
InTheValley
SILVER
This is so awesome. Could you please post the other 89:55 of this game, or does it not support your bribery theory?
Man, it must really hurt that your kids lost to a bunch of illegal aliens who probably grew up in a world of poverty and hardship, yet are still better at the one thing that you hold so dearly. If I were you, I’d work on how my kids handle adversity, because it’s just inexcusable to capitulate so quickly and completely both before and after one allegedly bad call. It’s almost like their parents told them it didn’t matter how hard they tried, they were going to lose because the ref and CalSouth has been bribed and they were playing 25 year old Brazilian professionals.
It is a shame, though, that so many Americans need to continually look to excuses for losing, instead of owning it and striving to improve.
Man, it must really hurt that your kids lost to a bunch of illegal aliens who probably grew up in a world of poverty and hardship, yet are still better at the one thing that you hold so dearly. If I were you, I’d work on how my kids handle adversity, because it’s just inexcusable to capitulate so quickly and completely both before and after one allegedly bad call. It’s almost like their parents told them it didn’t matter how hard they tried, they were going to lose because the ref and CalSouth has been bribed and they were playing 25 year old Brazilian professionals.
It is a shame, though, that so many Americans need to continually look to excuses for losing, instead of owning it and striving to improve.
You've really missed the whole point, haven't you. Almost no one gets to be at this age without dealing with adversity in life. Clearly you feel compelled to rhetorically state the obvious while sarcastically denigrate these boys for your own pleasure.
What we're talking about is fairness and rule of the game.
For the record, I know both 26 and DP's respective kids are going to college to play soccer this fall, like most on both of their respective teams. That accomplishment was possible because they competed at the very high level and was successful at it, and have the grades to being recruitable. Mine is already in college playing soccer so all are moving on in a better way. Hope yours will get to do the same when reaching that point in his/her life.
You also realize just how ignorant your last statement is right? There are examples everywhere that says otherwise. Weather its sports, business or simply a way of life, most Americans DO NOT look for excuses for not succeeding. Instead, we work harder and be more creative and compete. If your surrounded by those that make excuses, perhaps you need a change in your ecosystem. Dig yourself out - the rest of us who have made something of ourselves don't share your view.
InTheValley
SILVER
So who won the big game?
Where were you when your buddies were accusing kids of being criminals, illegal aliens, forging paperwork, and conspiring to bribe soccer officials? It’s ok to denigrate kids without the slightest amount of proof so long as they’re foreigners, but it’s crossing the line to make fun of a couple American parents who just can’t accept that their kids weren’t good enough to win a soccer game? Now do you understand who’s missing the point?
Sheriff Joe
DA
Who says cheaters never prosper?
David Parsio
BRONZE
Go find a quote where I accuse the actual players of committing anything you state. I accused the owner of FCGS and Cal South of being corrupt and I stand behind it.
Mirage has done his homework. You are just ignorant of fact.
InTheValley
SILVER
I’m not sure you understand what the word “fact” means.
To help you understand, please identify the Brazilian clubs where each of these players played. Please identify the amount of the bribe, how much it was and who at CalSouth received it. Who was the specific person at CalSouth whom Bob threatened and what exactly did he threaten? Was the threat made in writing, over the phone, or in person? Please produce the paperwork these kids completed so we can verify that they failed to obtain appropriate authorization. Please identify the exact whereabouts of the players at all times they’ve been in the US so that we can verify how long they’ve been here and whether they actually took English lessons or did anything productive besides soccer. Please identify the law that says Brazilians must take English classes if they’re going to come to the US and play in National Cup.
Does this help you understand what a “fact” is?
Since you called me a d**k, I’ll speculate a little too. I speculate that you’re having a hard time getting your point across because, at base, what makes you angry has nothing to do with whether these kids filled out the right forms. Rather, your anger is grounded in something you don’t want to admit about yourself, which is that you don’t like people here from “lesser” countries, especially if they take something away from your son - even something so inconsequential as a chance to play one or two more games in a lower tier soccer tournament. And you also have serious feelings of inadequacy because you feel like you’ve been bested by someone with whom you had a falling out, and who is apparently far more successful than you. So, instead, you’ve convinced yourself of a bunch of conspiracy theories upon which to rationalize the underlying reasons for your anger. Just speculating. Now you can call me a d**k.
coachrefparent
GOLD
You're quite the persuader.
I watched in 720p, slowed down, its still not very sharp and almost half a field away. The referee is within 10 yards. What I see is the player go past the defender who appears to reach out and spin the offensive player. But as I said it's hard to see in this video and apparently the person with better footage won't post it. So for purposes of this thread, I'll assume the referee made the wrong call.
That being said, how would the game have been over? Were they playing under modified rules that allow the team up by 2 goals with 5 minutes to go to win? As others noted, I would love to see that last 5 minutes where strikers gave up 3 goals to lose. That must have been some play by GS, and horrible refereeing. It certainly couldn't have been a meltdown by strikers, who only needed to hold for 5 minutes.