They way you are twisting everything that has been said, I would think you are Thistle if I did not know better. True life is not fair but should we all just accept corruption?
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Sheriff Joe
DA
That's what is expected after the last 8 years.
What am I twisting? Enlight me here because I'm having a hard time figuring out where the blatant sign of corruption is at.
This is what was said: ["FCGS owner is a racist pig. Quality quotes during the match:
"How can you even see that you're Asian"
"Don't shake their hands, they may steal something"] VERY DIFFERENT than what you say above.
Also he did not say they were taking away scholarships, just that is was going to mean less opportunity for their kids to be seen. As FYI some kids do get their scholarships or at least prefered walk on status during the summer before college so get over yourself that you are a model parent. Not all kids are great students and need to leverage their way into college.
Calsouth is corrupt because they dis not even bother to call the OP back and it appears that they are not following the rules for foreigners. And they are definitely corrupt when you look at the Anaheim Surf fake birth certificate issue.
Can we just forget the last 8 years please.
Sheriff Joe
DA
Maybe after all the damage is undone.
1. The OP is using the racist card and examples to cover up himself as the discriminating self he has shown himself on how he refers to those kids that are allegedly Brazilian and old.
2. The OP and his alter ego made this a USA vs Brazil thing when its just 2 LA Clubs playing at the highest level of recreational soccer pyramid.
3. The whole college scholarship crap that people put so much emphasis into. Are the brazilian players able to get an scholarship as the allegations that they were taking them away? And if so good for them!
4. If this was about another CalSouth's many flaws in its system for allowing the foreigner kids play or as the OP calls them "Pros", why was his first argument was the seeding of the wild cards vs. the issue of the players. Once the OP realize that his point on the WC was a stupid one, he brought his alter ego to let us know that non-american are playing in that FCGS.
5. I greatly disagree with you about not all kids are great students. All kids could be great students if given the right circumstances in life.
And finally lets say Bob did poach those kids from Brazil, do you realize how bad under brazilian standards those kids are that they couldn't get a pro contract in South America and the best they could get is a recreational championship and hopefully some JC/CC education at the very best scenario for them.
This seems more likely to happen...
Those kids are from Brazil but that's not the point, if you weren't so busy defending your interpretation based on not knowing the whole situation.
Racist card was only brought up because Bob, FCGS owner, made racial derogatory statement towards one of the player with an asian decent. Additionally made slanderous comment about not shaking the opponent's hands after the game because they may steal something - essentially accusing Soltilo players as thieves.
I don't know what you're norm and values are but where I come from, Bob's behavior is not at all defendable and is despicable behavior.
Op never made into USA vs Brazil thing. "26 yr HS Coach" did bring up that point but the way I read it was that 26 was arguing that there are plenty of good youth players locally. Also, technically, CalSouth NC is not the highest level of rec soccer pyramid. It is the highest level for USYSoccer CalSouth, but there are USSDA, USClub Soccer and USSSA as well.
They are not, if the past years are any indication. Bob throws them on the plane back to Brazil the moment the last game is played. These men are here strictly to play soccer and soccer only. Scholarship is a side story and not really the point - again, you've chosen to highlight a tangential argument.
The real issue regarding the Brazilian players are that, they are brought to USA to play for FCGS, and none of them have proper clearance from Brazilian FIFA to play in US. USYSoccer has a policy in place (which as been highlighted in this thread) that they are part of FIFA regulation. In other words, they should be DQ'd.
Follow-on....
You clearly have never been to Brazil. There are more players than the country can absorb. Only the best of the best craw out of the situations they are in, into any type of professional soccer.
As for your last example of Timmy's post, are these the same kids you are familiar with that could be great students if given the right circumstances in life?[/QUOTE]
Do not understand where you get the notion that the original violation by CalSouth is "a stupid one"? Its not. The integrity of the process was not followed and somehow number 2 and number 3 seeds were swopped. The fact that they would have to play the same team from the pool play is irrelevant. If it was, then it should be stated in the rules - which it is not. Besides, I do not believe it was the OP that brought up the fact that FCGS team was an imported player team. I believe it was introduced into he discussion by "26".
I know this was a response to "Fact" and perhaps you've had previous discussions on this matter but I could not disagree more with your statement here. Not all kids can be good students, regardless of the circumstances. There are natural capacity to learn and there are differences between individuals. While ALL kids can do better in an ideal situation, some people are simply smarter and better students than others.
You clearly have never been to Brazil. There are more players than the country can absorb. Only the best of the best craw out of the situations they are in, into any type of professional soccer.
As for your last example of Timmy's post, are these the same kids you are familiar with that could be great students if given the right circumstances in life?[/QUOTE]
I base my opinion based on what I gather from the OP.
Were you there when these allegations were made? Neither was I, therefore I'll take it as hearsay and nothing more. Is Bob a racist or not, I really don't know. What I know is that based on what OP and his second acct 26 have written towards the Brazilian kids in a prejudice way, but 2 wrongs don't make one right.
So 2 people with the same agenda show up to the forum bashing a club. WOW! Such a novelty in this forum. OMG I'm such in shock! NOT!
I think you get the point about NC/rec soccer. Its a recreational environment within their same level of competition.
Why is this not point out right away! And once again OP and his alter ego brought up the scholarships. If FCGS broke the rules, they need to be dealt with accordingly.
If CalSouth has done this before so kids playing the game can benefit from playing DIFFERENT teams and not the same one over and over, I don't see the problem. Do you see anyone from WC here whining about FCGS? Like I mention before this is a recreational tournament hosted to find which team was the best one within that level of play. The end goal for these tournaments is for kids to have fun playing together and displaying the skills they have acquired throughout the season in a level field of competition. Everything else is a moot point.
Understand the kids ability to learn, allow them to learn within their own parameters and constraints and be discipline about it, you will be surprise about the results. I love success stories because they were set to fail by people that have your thinking, and they succeed.
What is your point??? Based on what you have said you should have a little bit of compassion for kids coming from another country where their ONLY opportunity to break the cycle is not there as they weren't good enough to make a living out of soccer, and they don't get an education like we do.
Timmy's metaphor is very strong and you can't see it. Those kids need some sort of discipline. But darn it, discipline was lost in the past 8 years....
You see, that's just it isn't it. I was there. I watched the whole game. Got the feedback directly from the players.
You know nothing of me to say people that have my thinking. You may love success stories but you seem to not recognize that even in success, there are differences. As you've noted before in a different context, life isn't fair. Its just certain.
As for your last comment, not sure what you mean by 8 years but if you mean that parents didn't do their job to raise kids, then who's fault is that? As for the metaphor, luckily I don't know any kids like that myself, including mine in college. It just plays off of stereotype from likes of Fast Time at Ridgemont High.... Nothing to do with the reality and is insulting to parallel these young student athletes to that.
26 yr HS Coach
BRONZE
CoachSamy As a HS teacher I am far from prejudice or maybe I am against people who act stupid but last time I looked at the Far West Regional logo it said in white highlight in red background “US Youth Soccer” Last time I looked at the National Championship logo it said the same thing “US Youth Soccer”. When looking at the Dallas Cup I see that it says nothing about US it says “Welcome Word”. I think you have completely missed the point but that’s ok some of my students do that every day in my classroom.
But so you know, I did root for Golden State at Dallas Cup. I was glad they won it. No prejudice what so ever! I am actually very disappointed that our CalSouth representative for the “US Youth Soccer” Far West Regionals could actually be a mispresesnted non US Youth team. That’s all I’m saying my friend but I’m sure you will figure something wrong with it. Have fun dwelling over it.
But so you know, I did root for Golden State at Dallas Cup. I was glad they won it. No prejudice what so ever! I am actually very disappointed that our CalSouth representative for the “US Youth Soccer” Far West Regionals could actually be a mispresesnted non US Youth team. That’s all I’m saying my friend but I’m sure you will figure something wrong with it. Have fun dwelling over it.
SoccerFan4Life
PREMIER
I say we ban David Parsio from blogging when he is raging 
TBH, even if FCGS would be bringing kids from Brazil, it's not easy to get visas every year for new players. He couldnt do it every year because eventually he will get investigated by the US Govt. Also, how does he make money if he has to take care of them when they arrive? Does he own a hotel and pays for food and boarding? I mean, the kids have to be really really good for somebody to go out of their way to pick up all the expenses. I would love to hear someone from FCGS give their insight into this story.
TBH, even if FCGS would be bringing kids from Brazil, it's not easy to get visas every year for new players. He couldnt do it every year because eventually he will get investigated by the US Govt. Also, how does he make money if he has to take care of them when they arrive? Does he own a hotel and pays for food and boarding? I mean, the kids have to be really really good for somebody to go out of their way to pick up all the expenses. I would love to hear someone from FCGS give their insight into this story.InTheValley
SILVER
To make sure I understand, this all started when a former FCGS parent/admin - who claims not to be disgruntled in the least bit - complained that CalSouth changed the first round playoff matchup of his kid’s former team. According to some, the matchup was changed to avoid two teams from the same group playing each other again in the first round of the playoffs. According to proponents of this theory, it isn’t fair for teams to play in the group stage and then again in the first round of playoffs because it only shows that you’re better or worse than one team and is not a true reflection of a team’s ability. Plus, it isn’t any fun having to play the same teams over and over. I will call this the “rational” argument.
Others have contended that a notoriously corrupt CalSouth conspired with the rich and powerful Bob of FCGS to manipulate the playoff seedings for the purpose of allowing his Goliath club to win the glorified rec tournament also known as National Cup, with the added benefit of sticking it to the little club and Bob’s former players by depriving them of the inevitable last minute college scholarships they would have received if only they’d been able to play 201 games in their careers instead of 200. More specifically, CalSouth turned a blind eye when Bob leveraged his vast financial resources to smuggle a super team of overage illegal alien racist professional Brazilian soccer stars over the border, and then trained them 8 hours a day, 5 days a week with no school or outside distractions to get in the way of total domination. Despite the valiant efforts of our hardworking American boys, who took the Brazilian juggernaut to OT, they just weren’t able to overcome the forces of evil and gracefully bowed out with only 3 yellow cards, compared to the 4 yellows and a red received by their evil, racist, cheating opponents. I will call this the “irrational” argument.
Did I miss anything?
Others have contended that a notoriously corrupt CalSouth conspired with the rich and powerful Bob of FCGS to manipulate the playoff seedings for the purpose of allowing his Goliath club to win the glorified rec tournament also known as National Cup, with the added benefit of sticking it to the little club and Bob’s former players by depriving them of the inevitable last minute college scholarships they would have received if only they’d been able to play 201 games in their careers instead of 200. More specifically, CalSouth turned a blind eye when Bob leveraged his vast financial resources to smuggle a super team of overage illegal alien racist professional Brazilian soccer stars over the border, and then trained them 8 hours a day, 5 days a week with no school or outside distractions to get in the way of total domination. Despite the valiant efforts of our hardworking American boys, who took the Brazilian juggernaut to OT, they just weren’t able to overcome the forces of evil and gracefully bowed out with only 3 yellow cards, compared to the 4 yellows and a red received by their evil, racist, cheating opponents. I will call this the “irrational” argument.
Did I miss anything?
SoccerFan4Life
PREMIER
That's the dumbest thing that you could have said. Honestly! So I guess we should not have our American youth players in Germany's youth league? Dude, this is America, we are a melting pot. People from all over the world are coming over here legally, with visas, without visas (don't agree with this). Bottom line, stop this nationalistic approach to soccer. The only way that our kids will get better is to have exposure with players from other countries. There's a reason why the US is not in the World Cup! Stop making this about a Nationalism perspective.
El Clasico
GOLD
How can a coach watch them play this week if they got eliminated last week?
26 yr HS Coach
BRONZE
Ok SoccerFan4Life I guess it came accross incorrectly. I am a rule follower so that’s what I’m getting at, I agree with your statement. I get the melting pot. So maybe a better expample is US athletes in the olympics we have all different cultures compete for us in the olympics but what must they have to compete? Same with the world cup team, what must they posses in order to compete? Like I posted in my very first post. What must the Brazilians have in order to compete in our US Youth Soccer Tournament? Don’t think GS needed this for Dallas Cup. If they have clearances and all is up and up then I’ll shut my trap. Oh and your comment about "
There's a reason why the US is not in the World Cup!” Just think it was shitty coaching or lack of intensity not your reasoning.
7.17. INTERNATIONAL CLEARANCES (USYS Policy Rule 207)
There's a reason why the US is not in the World Cup!” Just think it was shitty coaching or lack of intensity not your reasoning.
7.17. INTERNATIONAL CLEARANCES (USYS Policy Rule 207)
Lambchop
GOLD
Last time I looked Pulisic is a single player, not an entire team. Apples and oranges.
Sheriff Joe
DA
I can see you are no globalist.
What the hell is wrong about following the rules?
I am pretty sure all of us will take the bad soccer in order to live here, importing the world's problems isn't worth 100 world cups.