Megan-Rapinoe - media ho

socalkdg said:
And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008.

You think the two are related?

Interesting read here: http://www.newsweek.com/racial-makeup-police-departments-331130


What I find interesting is the media considers this the hot topic and it isn't even close to what will really kill you, no matter what your race, sex, or age is. I know many don't consider Abortion a death, so you can skip the top one if you feel that way.

Shouldn't we be seeing front page news on medical errors(my sister died because of this) or Tobacco, or Drunk driving, Poisoning, or any number of ways people die that easily outnumber the 986 people that police shot in 986(https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...c7a404-b3c5-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html).

Think a nurse is ever charged with first degree manslaughter for her mistake? 130 times as likely to happen as a police shooting. Any charges for corporate america regarding cigarettes? 180 times as likely to happen. Think about that. Also remember you are almost as likely to be killed by your spouse as you are to be shot by a cop. See what happens when soccer rules your life.

Death through June 2016
Abortion: 571596
Heart Disease: 321571
Cancer: 309716
Tobacco: 183202
Obesity: 160695
Medical Errors: 131620
Stroke: 69671
Lower Respiratory Disease: 74821
Accident (unintentional): 71215
Hospital Associated Infection: 51820
Alcohol: 52344
Diabetes: 40037
Alzheimer's Disease: 48963
Influenza/Pneumonia: 28908
Kidney Failure: 22383
Blood Infection: 17516
Suicide: 22389
Drunk Driving: 17696
Unintentional Poisoning: 16623
All Drug Abuse: 13089
Homicide: 8793
Prescription Drug Overdose: 7852
Murder by gun: 6016
Texting while Driving: 3135
Pedestrian: 2617
Drowning: 2049
Fire Related: 1832
Malnutrition: 1451
Domestic Violence: 764
Smoking in Bed: 408
Falling out of Bed: 313
Killed by Falling Tree: 78
Struck by Lightning: 43
Mass Shooting * Domestic:15
Radical Islamic Terrorism: 49
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I get where you are coming from, but these are government actors. At the very least, our government shouldn't be killing people. We control government's behavior. We try sometimes, but we don't always control private behavior (nor should we always control private behavior).

You are also limiting the issue to deaths. This goes broadly to how police (our government) are treating people and covering up abuse. It's police unions, kind of like teacher's unions, defending the worst of the worst under some bogus slippery slope argument. Take the guy shot in NC. He was supposedly stopped because he was carrying a gun. But it's legal in NC to openly carry a gun, and it's illegal to stop and frisk a person on that basis (Charlotte police lost that court battle a couple of years ago). So why were Charlotte police stopping him in the first place? This stuff goes on all the time - and it's not limited just to African Americans.

BTW - I don't think this was an accident.
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In fact, it's hardly ever an accident when someone points a gun and shoots someone dead. If these are "accidents," maybe Kapernick and others are correct in calling for more extensive training of police officers.
 
Glen said:
In fact, it's hardly ever an accident when someone points a gun and shoots someone dead. If these are "accidents," maybe Kapernick and others are correct in calling for more extensive training of police officers.
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I completely agree with this last part. Also think certain high testosterone individuals may be the type that takes this job in the first place. One thing that is difficult is giving police experience with life and death situations. When they make a mistake, someone dies. I'm up for a non lethal way to stop any of these suspects that doesn't increase the chance of a police officer dying. Have a drone shoot a needle into the suspect that causes them to sleep(no idea if this would even be possible, but the image popped into my head) or any realistic method. 275 unarmed people were killed in 2015. Knowing 131620 died due to medical errors skews my perspective. If the media was covering this in the same way, don't you think this number could be cut by 10%? 20%? 50%? Who knows.
 
socalkdg said:
I completely agree with this last part. Also think certain high testosterone individuals may be the type that takes this job in the first place. One thing that is difficult is giving police experience with life and death situations. When they make a mistake, someone dies. I'm up for a non lethal way to stop any of these suspects that doesn't increase the chance of a police officer dying. Have a drone shoot a needle into the suspect that causes them to sleep(no idea if this would even be possible, but the image popped into my head) or any realistic method. 275 unarmed people were killed in 2015. Knowing 131620 in died due to medical errors skews my perspective. If the media was covering this in the same way, don't you think this number could be cut by 10%? 20%? 50%? Who knows.
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I cannot deny that there many issues that need to be addressed in this country. Frankly, I get annoyed about all the bathroom/gender talk because I think there are bigger issues we need to tackle (I think that is where you are coming from on this).

And I don't mean to characterize all police as crummy people. They certainly are not. The other day, I got the chance to witness officers safely "rescue" a jumper on a freeway overpass the other day. It was remarkable work. We probably are asking our officers to do way too much particularly with the increase in homelessness and dearth of mental health services available.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
I think prosecutors have learned their lesson from Ferguson by over charging and ending up with nothing.

Prosecutors have learned their lesson from Ferguson by over charging and ending up with nothing.
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Glen said:
I get where you are coming from, but these are government actors. At the very least, our government shouldn't be killing people. We control government's behavior. We try sometimes, but we don't always control private behavior (nor should we always control private behavior).

You are also limiting the issue to deaths. This goes broadly to how police (our government) are treating people and covering up abuse. It's police unions, kind of like teacher's unions, defending the worst of the worst under some bogus slippery slope argument. Take the guy shot in NC. He was supposedly stopped because he was carrying a gun. But it's legal in NC to openly carry a gun, and it's illegal to stop and frisk a person on that basis (Charlotte police lost that court battle a couple of years ago). So why were Charlotte police stopping him in the first place? This stuff goes on all the time - and it's not limited just to African Americans.

BTW - I don't think this was an accident.
.

In fact, it's hardly ever an accident when someone points a gun and shoots someone dead. If these are "accidents," maybe Kapernick and others are correct in calling for more extensive training of police officers.
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No matter how well trained, or how careful anyone is, there is no such thing as a perfect record.
As long as there are cops, there will be people shot and killed unjustly by them. Its a statistical certainty.
If you look at the actual numbers, its amazing how few do get shot.
Look how many times someone goes into the hospital to get well, and comes out dead.
Sometimes they were due, and sometimes carelessness or negligence kills them. It will always happen as long as people are imperfect creatures.
To riot, loot stores, and attack people in racist mobs as a result of a statistical anomaly, is insane.
If a cop shoots someone, and its proven criminal, they should face the music, but once again, things arent always just.
Cops get a little more leeway than the rest of us, and it will always be that way.
They have the authority to carry loaded weapons and use them with discretion. The rest of us do not.
 
Glen said:
I get where you are coming from, but these are government actors. At the very least, our government shouldn't be killing people. We control government's behavior. We try sometimes, but we don't always control private behavior (nor should we always control private behavior).

You are also limiting the issue to deaths. This goes broadly to how police (our government) are treating people and covering up abuse. It's police unions, kind of like teacher's unions, defending the worst of the worst under some bogus slippery slope argument. Take the guy shot in NC. He was supposedly stopped because he was carrying a gun. But it's legal in NC to openly carry a gun, and it's illegal to stop and frisk a person on that basis (Charlotte police lost that court battle a couple of years ago). So why were Charlotte police stopping him in the first place? This stuff goes on all the time - and it's not limited just to African Americans.

BTW - I don't think this was an accident.
.

In fact, it's hardly ever an accident when someone points a gun and shoots someone dead. If these are "accidents," maybe Kapernick and others are correct in calling for more extensive training of police officers.
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Another unjust shooting.
What happened to the cop that did this?
 
Bernie Sanders said:
Another unjust shooting.
What happened to the cop that did this?
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I believe this officer has been charged with murder. But without the video, it would never have happened. The two officers lied about what happened in their statements. Some are apparently calling for the second, assisting officer (who happens to be African American) to be charged for helping cover it up.

The stop and frisk statistics, as well as the incarceration statistics, are hardly statistical anomalies. Even the death statistics are not anomalies when you compare them to the minuscule number of police officer that die per year. In my opinion, the killings caught on tape are just highlight reel exemplars of the broader issues with police tactics. This stuff doesn't happen by accident and is clearly not limited by race:


In Chicago, for example, you cannot deny there is a clear pattern of covering up police shootings (whether the person died or not). It's frightening when the guys we pay to protect us, and you give so much discretion, are covering up for each other. We should come down on them harder because of that trust. We certainly shouldn't make endless excuses for them.
 
Glen said:
This is a decent article comparing actual US police related fatalities compared to other countries: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries

It seems pretty obvious that we could be handling this better, regardless of any statistical certainties.
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I agree that with the discretion and authority granted, comes added responsibility.
What I have a problem with, is the racist BLM agenda that divides us along racial lines.
The numbers dont back up the so called, "war on black people" they claim police are engaged in.
Statistically, the numbers just dont add up.
 
Glen said:
This is a decent article comparing actual US police related fatalities compared to other countries: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries

It seems pretty obvious that we could be handling this better, regardless of any statistical certainties.
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With this, you need to account for the number of murders commited in the US.
Im not defending bad cops, believe me, I am on board with 86ing them from the payroll.
What you cannot do, is compare our country with lesser countries.
We have freedoms here other countries do not.

We can always do better.
What I am saying is, the rioting is not in line with the stats.
There are people using these anomalies to divide us.
"Kap", and Meganho are pawns leading the lemming herd.
 
NoGoal said:
Um, Kap protesting the National Anthem is the subject matter. He is protesting white cops killing unarmed black men. Not who are killing black men, so E's post is spot on.
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I don't know why I bother engaging in a futile battle with a couple dim bulbs but here goes... Although I don't personally agree with Kap's method of protest, he does have the right to do so. As I stated in a previous post however, rather than kneel during the anthem, which is offensive to many (especially those who have, or are serving in our armed forces) and won't do jack squat to change anything, why doesn't he actually do something and get some fellow pro athletes together with law enforcement and get into these hard hit communities and actually be a change agent?

Maybe African Americans (and other racial groups) will kill one another less if they had some programs to teach them better life skills. All these mega athletes kneeling, raising their hands or whatever doesn't mean squat when they drive back home to their mega mansions in their Bentleys and make reservations for dinner at Nobu.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
I agree that with the discretion and authority granted, comes added responsibility.
What I have a problem with, is the racist BLM agenda that divides us along racial lines.
The numbers dont back up the so called, "war on black people" they claim police are engaged in.
Statistically, the numbers just dont add up.
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I don't agree with the BLM agenda either or looting, etc. I do happen to agree that police tactics, incarceration (e.g., private prisons), and certain criminal laws (e.g., drug laws) should be changed. If that happens to put me in line with some folks in the BLM movement, so be it.

I appreciate the respectful debate. Best of luck to you Bernie.
 
Glen said:
I believe this officer has been charged with murder. But without the video, it would never have happened. The two officers lied about what happened in their statements. Some are apparently calling for the second, assisting officer (who happens to be African American) to be charged for helping cover it up.

The stop and frisk statistics, as well as the incarceration statistics, are hardly statistical anomalies. Even the death statistics are not anomalies when you compare them to the minuscule number of police officer that die per year. In my opinion, the killings caught on tape are just highlight reel exemplars of the broader issues with police tactics. This stuff doesn't happen by accident and is clearly not limited by race:


In Chicago, for example, you cannot deny there is a clear pattern of covering up police shootings (whether the person died or not). It's frightening when the guys we pay to protect us, and you give so much discretion, are covering up for each other. We should come down on them harder because of that trust. We certainly shouldn't make endless excuses for them.
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There aren't more cops killing innocents than there used to be. There are just more cameras.
 
SpeedK1llz said:
As I stated in a previous post however, rather than kneel during the anthem, which is offensive to many (especially those who have, or are serving in our armed forces) and won't do jack squat to change anything, why doesn't he actually do something and get some fellow pro athletes together with law enforcement and get into these hard hit communities and actually be a change agent?
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That's exactly what he is doing. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-nate-boyer-protest-national-anthem/89842356/
 
espola said:
There aren't more cops killing innocents than there used to be. There are just more cameras.
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I think it was much worse before cameras
Glen said:
That's exactly what he is doing. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-nate-boyer-protest-national-anthem/89842356/
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Then he should stand up, put his hand over his heart and pay homage to the country that enables him to do so.
Its not Americas fault a few bad cops are out there.
Its because of America he's able to make a difference.
He may mean well, he's just being an ignorant ass about it, and actually making things worse.
I hope he doesnt wear his pig socks to the meeting.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
I think it was much worse before cameras

Then he should stand up, put his hand over his heart and pay homage to the country that enables him to do so.
Its not Americas fault a few bad cops are out there.
Its because of America he's able to make a difference.
He may mean well, he's just being an ignorant ass about it, and actually making things worse.
I hope he doesnt wear his pig socks to the meeting.
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You must be a fan of Twain too . . . "the only rational patriotism, is loyalty to the Nation ALL the time, loyalty to the Government when it deserves it."
 
Bernie Sanders said:
With this, you need to account for the number of murders commited in the US.
Im not defending bad cops, believe me, I am on board with 86ing them from the payroll.
What you cannot do, is compare our country with lesser countries.
We have freedoms here other countries do not.

We can always do better.
What I am saying is, the rioting is not in line with the stats.
There are people using these anomalies to divide us.
"Kap", and Meganho are pawns leading the lemming herd.
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I read something today that said 71% of the protesters arrested in N C the last few days are from out of state.
If true that should change the narrative.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-22/
 
Bernie Sanders said:
No matter how well trained, or how careful anyone is, there is no such thing as a perfect record.
As long as there are cops, there will be people shot and killed unjustly by them. Its a statistical certainty.
If you look at the actual numbers, its amazing how few do get shot.
Look how many times someone goes into the hospital to get well, and comes out dead.
Sometimes they were due, and sometimes carelessness or negligence kills them. It will always happen as long as people are imperfect creatures.
To riot, loot stores, and attack people in racist mobs as a result of a statistical anomaly, is insane.
If a cop shoots someone, and its proven criminal, they should face the music, but once again, things arent always just.
Cops get a little more leeway than the rest of us, and it will always be that way.
They have the authority to carry loaded weapons and use them with discretion. The rest of us do not.
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It doesn't mean it has to remain status quo, there can always be change for the better.
 
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