Megan-Rapinoe - media ho

NoGoal said:
Um, Kap protesting the National Anthem is the subject matter. He is protesting white cops killing unarmed black men. Not who are killing black men, so E's post is spot on.
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To a certain degree, maybe. Did you ask yourself why E did not mention that black people kill more black people than anyone else?
I did.
Its because he is patronizing a specific group of people to gain some kind of acceptance? I dont know, maybe Im wrong, but he does this alot, and its weird.
I dont give a crap what anyone thinks, Im gonna call BS when I see it.
He's right about how murders are committed within specific races bye and large, but his 6% claim is deceptive.
I could post pie charts, and go down the list of why he's wrong, but it doesnt really matter.
Nobody here will listen to anything but their own BS.

Im sorry I even got into this horse shit thread.
 
NoGoal said:
Well at least the female Tulsa police officer was charge with manslaughter today.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tulsa-police-officer-charged-mans-death-203750472.html
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This shooting was bad, as far as I can tell.
She should face charges.

Its very rare today that a cop kills someone without cause.
I say this having not enjoyed a good relationship with cops in the past, but the numbers do not lie.
When you look at arrests and interactions and divide it with cops shooting people its about as low a number as I could expect.
 
If "Kap" really cared about all those people with their fists in the air, lighting fires, attacking people, and chanting racist slogans, he'd stand up, and tell them to go home, and take care of their families.
He'd stand up and say he was wrong about dividing people, and disrespecting the country we were all born and raised in.
Imagine the impact that would have.

Thats what a leader would do.
Maybe thats why hes on the bench.
 
NoGoal said:
Um, Kap protesting the National Anthem is the subject matter. He is protesting white cops killing unarmed black men. .
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Why would he protest something that hardly ever happens?
Does it happen?, yes. Do cops shoot people armed, and unarmed without sufficient cause? Yes,. on rare occasion.
Do you have any idea how many people they could or would shoot if there actually was a "war on black people" by the cops?
The whole BLM movement is complete bullshit.
 
It's only a little over 4mins for the actual video. The words are powerful. Hopefully it makes anyone wishing to kneel during the National Anthem thinks twice. Do we have a right to protest? Absolutely. The country is so screwed up right now. There are bad apples in every bunch. Creating more chaos and uprising is counter-productive. EVERYONE should be held accountable for their actions. If you are breaking the law and are shot by police because you refuse to drop your weapon then that's the path you choose. If it's not a "clean shoot" then by all means the officer(s) should be held accountable.
But as someone with family in FD/PD and prior/current military..if you think making a statement by protesting the National Anthem is the way to do it you are WRONG!! So many have come and gone before you and given everything to allow you to have the rights you have in this country. If you thinks it's that bad you can try living in some other country and see the limits of your rights there. I personally think Kap is an idiot (as is any other professional athlete) who is willing to take the american dollar..but not willing to stand for the NA. I'm bothered even more by Rapinoe in the fact that she represents the USWNT. Whatever demographic you represent..if you aren't happy with the way things are you can either be part of the problem or part of the solution. My .02
 
She can't be charged with 1st degree murder. Unless they can prove she started her shift with the intent to go out and kill someone.
1st degree is pre-meditated. She gets charged with manslaughter.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
If "Kap" really cared about all those people with their fists in the air, lighting fires, attacking people, and chanting racist slogans, he'd stand up, and tell them to go home, and take care of their families.
He'd stand up and say he was wrong about dividing people, and disrespecting the country we were all born and raised in.
Imagine the impact that would have.

Thats what a leader would do.
Maybe thats why hes on the bench.
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Round and round we go! I thought you posted you are sorry you got involved in this thread.
 
espola said:
This fact is probably more germane to the discussion about the national anthem protests -- "although black men represent 6 percent of the U.S. population, they made up nearly 40 percent of those who were killed [by police] while unarmed".
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And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008.

You think the two are related?

Interesting read here: http://www.newsweek.com/racial-makeup-police-departments-331130


What I find interesting is the media considers this the hot topic and it isn't even close to what will really kill you, no matter what your race, sex, or age is. I know many don't consider Abortion a death, so you can skip the top one if you feel that way.

Shouldn't we be seeing front page news on medical errors(my sister died because of this) or Tobacco, or Drunk driving, Poisoning, or any number of ways people die that easily outnumber the 986 people that police shot in 986(https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...c7a404-b3c5-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html).

Think a nurse is ever charged with first degree manslaughter for her mistake? 130 times as likely to happen as a police shooting. Any charges for corporate america regarding cigarettes? 180 times as likely to happen. Think about that. Also remember you are almost as likely to be killed by your spouse as you are to be shot by a cop. See what happens when soccer rules your life.

Death through June 2016
Abortion: 571596
Heart Disease: 321571
Cancer: 309716
Tobacco: 183202
Obesity: 160695
Medical Errors: 131620
Stroke: 69671
Lower Respiratory Disease: 74821
Accident (unintentional): 71215
Hospital Associated Infection: 51820
Alcohol: 52344
Diabetes: 40037
Alzheimer's Disease: 48963
Influenza/Pneumonia: 28908
Kidney Failure: 22383
Blood Infection: 17516
Suicide: 22389
Drunk Driving: 17696
Unintentional Poisoning: 16623
All Drug Abuse: 13089
Homicide: 8793
Prescription Drug Overdose: 7852
Murder by gun: 6016
Texting while Driving: 3135
Pedestrian: 2617
Drowning: 2049
Fire Related: 1832
Malnutrition: 1451
Domestic Violence: 764
Smoking in Bed: 408
Falling out of Bed: 313
Killed by Falling Tree: 78
Struck by Lightning: 43
Mass Shooting * Domestic:15
Radical Islamic Terrorism: 49
 
socalkdg said:
And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008.

You think the two are related?

Interesting read here: http://www.newsweek.com/racial-makeup-police-departments-331130


What I find interesting is the media considers this the hot topic and it isn't even close to what will really kill you, no matter what your race, sex, or age is. I know many don't consider Abortion a death, so you can skip the top one if you feel that way.

Shouldn't we be seeing front page news on medical errors(my sister died because of this) or Tobacco, or Drunk driving, Poisoning, or any number of ways people die that easily outnumber the 986 people that police shot in 986(https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...c7a404-b3c5-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html).

Think a nurse is ever charged with first degree manslaughter for her mistake? 130 times as likely to happen as a police shooting. Any charges for corporate america regarding cigarettes? 180 times as likely to happen. Think about that. Also remember you are almost as likely to be killed by your spouse as you are to be shot by a cop. See what happens when soccer rules your life.

Death through June 2016
Abortion: 571596
Heart Disease: 321571
Cancer: 309716
Tobacco: 183202
Obesity: 160695
Medical Errors: 131620
Stroke: 69671
Lower Respiratory Disease: 74821
Accident (unintentional): 71215
Hospital Associated Infection: 51820
Alcohol: 52344
Diabetes: 40037
Alzheimer's Disease: 48963
Influenza/Pneumonia: 28908
Kidney Failure: 22383
Blood Infection: 17516
Suicide: 22389
Drunk Driving: 17696
Unintentional Poisoning: 16623
All Drug Abuse: 13089
Homicide: 8793
Prescription Drug Overdose: 7852
Murder by gun: 6016
Texting while Driving: 3135
Pedestrian: 2617
Drowning: 2049
Fire Related: 1832
Malnutrition: 1451
Domestic Violence: 764
Smoking in Bed: 408
Falling out of Bed: 313
Killed by Falling Tree: 78
Struck by Lightning: 43
Mass Shooting * Domestic:15
Radical Islamic Terrorism: 49
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I get where you are coming from, but these are government actors. At the very least, our government shouldn't be killing people. We control government's behavior. We try sometimes, but we don't always control private behavior (nor should we always control private behavior).

You are also limiting the issue to deaths. This goes broadly to how police (our government) are treating people and covering up abuse. It's police unions, kind of like teacher's unions, defending the worst of the worst under some bogus slippery slope argument. Take the guy shot in NC. He was supposedly stopped because he was carrying a gun. But it's legal in NC to openly carry a gun, and it's illegal to stop and frisk a person on that basis (Charlotte police lost that court battle a couple of years ago). So why were Charlotte police stopping him in the first place? This stuff goes on all the time - and it's not limited just to African Americans.

BTW - I don't think this was an accident.
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In fact, it's hardly ever an accident when someone points a gun and shoots someone dead. If these are "accidents," maybe Kapernick and others are correct in calling for more extensive training of police officers.
 
Glen said:
In fact, it's hardly ever an accident when someone points a gun and shoots someone dead. If these are "accidents," maybe Kapernick and others are correct in calling for more extensive training of police officers.
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I completely agree with this last part. Also think certain high testosterone individuals may be the type that takes this job in the first place. One thing that is difficult is giving police experience with life and death situations. When they make a mistake, someone dies. I'm up for a non lethal way to stop any of these suspects that doesn't increase the chance of a police officer dying. Have a drone shoot a needle into the suspect that causes them to sleep(no idea if this would even be possible, but the image popped into my head) or any realistic method. 275 unarmed people were killed in 2015. Knowing 131620 died due to medical errors skews my perspective. If the media was covering this in the same way, don't you think this number could be cut by 10%? 20%? 50%? Who knows.
 
socalkdg said:
I completely agree with this last part. Also think certain high testosterone individuals may be the type that takes this job in the first place. One thing that is difficult is giving police experience with life and death situations. When they make a mistake, someone dies. I'm up for a non lethal way to stop any of these suspects that doesn't increase the chance of a police officer dying. Have a drone shoot a needle into the suspect that causes them to sleep(no idea if this would even be possible, but the image popped into my head) or any realistic method. 275 unarmed people were killed in 2015. Knowing 131620 in died due to medical errors skews my perspective. If the media was covering this in the same way, don't you think this number could be cut by 10%? 20%? 50%? Who knows.
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I cannot deny that there many issues that need to be addressed in this country. Frankly, I get annoyed about all the bathroom/gender talk because I think there are bigger issues we need to tackle (I think that is where you are coming from on this).

And I don't mean to characterize all police as crummy people. They certainly are not. The other day, I got the chance to witness officers safely "rescue" a jumper on a freeway overpass the other day. It was remarkable work. We probably are asking our officers to do way too much particularly with the increase in homelessness and dearth of mental health services available.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
I think prosecutors have learned their lesson from Ferguson by over charging and ending up with nothing.

Prosecutors have learned their lesson from Ferguson by over charging and ending up with nothing.
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Glen said:
I get where you are coming from, but these are government actors. At the very least, our government shouldn't be killing people. We control government's behavior. We try sometimes, but we don't always control private behavior (nor should we always control private behavior).

You are also limiting the issue to deaths. This goes broadly to how police (our government) are treating people and covering up abuse. It's police unions, kind of like teacher's unions, defending the worst of the worst under some bogus slippery slope argument. Take the guy shot in NC. He was supposedly stopped because he was carrying a gun. But it's legal in NC to openly carry a gun, and it's illegal to stop and frisk a person on that basis (Charlotte police lost that court battle a couple of years ago). So why were Charlotte police stopping him in the first place? This stuff goes on all the time - and it's not limited just to African Americans.

BTW - I don't think this was an accident.
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In fact, it's hardly ever an accident when someone points a gun and shoots someone dead. If these are "accidents," maybe Kapernick and others are correct in calling for more extensive training of police officers.
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No matter how well trained, or how careful anyone is, there is no such thing as a perfect record.
As long as there are cops, there will be people shot and killed unjustly by them. Its a statistical certainty.
If you look at the actual numbers, its amazing how few do get shot.
Look how many times someone goes into the hospital to get well, and comes out dead.
Sometimes they were due, and sometimes carelessness or negligence kills them. It will always happen as long as people are imperfect creatures.
To riot, loot stores, and attack people in racist mobs as a result of a statistical anomaly, is insane.
If a cop shoots someone, and its proven criminal, they should face the music, but once again, things arent always just.
Cops get a little more leeway than the rest of us, and it will always be that way.
They have the authority to carry loaded weapons and use them with discretion. The rest of us do not.
 
Glen said:
I get where you are coming from, but these are government actors. At the very least, our government shouldn't be killing people. We control government's behavior. We try sometimes, but we don't always control private behavior (nor should we always control private behavior).

You are also limiting the issue to deaths. This goes broadly to how police (our government) are treating people and covering up abuse. It's police unions, kind of like teacher's unions, defending the worst of the worst under some bogus slippery slope argument. Take the guy shot in NC. He was supposedly stopped because he was carrying a gun. But it's legal in NC to openly carry a gun, and it's illegal to stop and frisk a person on that basis (Charlotte police lost that court battle a couple of years ago). So why were Charlotte police stopping him in the first place? This stuff goes on all the time - and it's not limited just to African Americans.

BTW - I don't think this was an accident.
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In fact, it's hardly ever an accident when someone points a gun and shoots someone dead. If these are "accidents," maybe Kapernick and others are correct in calling for more extensive training of police officers.
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Another unjust shooting.
What happened to the cop that did this?
 
Bernie Sanders said:
Another unjust shooting.
What happened to the cop that did this?
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I believe this officer has been charged with murder. But without the video, it would never have happened. The two officers lied about what happened in their statements. Some are apparently calling for the second, assisting officer (who happens to be African American) to be charged for helping cover it up.

The stop and frisk statistics, as well as the incarceration statistics, are hardly statistical anomalies. Even the death statistics are not anomalies when you compare them to the minuscule number of police officer that die per year. In my opinion, the killings caught on tape are just highlight reel exemplars of the broader issues with police tactics. This stuff doesn't happen by accident and is clearly not limited by race:


In Chicago, for example, you cannot deny there is a clear pattern of covering up police shootings (whether the person died or not). It's frightening when the guys we pay to protect us, and you give so much discretion, are covering up for each other. We should come down on them harder because of that trust. We certainly shouldn't make endless excuses for them.
 
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