Maralago warrant and aftereffects --

Pollo Elastico said:
Being a math teacher who has complained in the past about relaxed standards, I thought you might find what the state of NY is doing interesting.
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I also like dim sum. But this thread isn’t about cantonese snacks, so we’re not talking about that.

Do you have anything to say about the top secret documents Trump was keeping in his closet?

So far, you haven’t done anything more than smear the FBI for trying to recover the stolen documents.
 
dad4 said:
So far, you haven’t done anything more than smear the FBI for trying to recover the stolen documents.
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You show your lack of understanding again.

You think because the FBI said something it must be true and T guilty.

I keep pointing out that until all the facts come out we just do not know.

And further there is reason to be skeptical based on what the FBI says due to their recent issues as it relates to the dossier, fisa warrants, etc.

You want to convict now. That is short sighted and partisan.

I want to wait until all the facts come out. Mine follows the old rule, innocent until proven guilty. That is a far better standard vs what you, husker and espola espouse. Your position is rather authoritarian in nature (deference to what a gov agency says). My position is based on how the Constitution set up the process as to how people should be treated in criminal cases.
 
dad4 said:
I also like dim sum. But this thread isn’t about cantonese snacks, so we’re not talking about that.

Do you have anything to say about the top secret documents Trump was keeping in his closet?

So far, you haven’t done anything more than smear the FBI for trying to recover the stolen documents.
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You’ll get nothing of any substance out of any of the poster boys. Posters like that are just trying to vie for nutter of the year consideration.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
You’ll get nothing of any substance out of any of the poster boys. Posters like that are just trying to vie for nutter of the year consideration.
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Some people I am Auto-Ignoring, and some people I am just ignoring. My life is much sweeter now.
 
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Pollo Elastico said:
You show your lack of understanding again.

You think because the FBI said something it must be true and T guilty.

I keep pointing out that until all the facts come out we just do not know.

And further there is reason to be skeptical based on what the FBI says due to their recent issues as it relates to the dossier, fisa warrants, etc.

You want to convict now. That is short sighted and partisan.

I want to wait until all the facts come out. Mine follows the old rule, innocent until proven guilty. That is a far better standard vs what you, husker and espola espouse. Your position is rather authoritarian in nature (deference to what a gov agency says). My position is based on how the Constitution set up the process as to how people should be treated in criminal cases.
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The key fact here is not being disputed. Trump was keeping top secret documents at his mansion. Both the FBI and Trump‘s lawyers agree on this point.

Trump will eventually have his day in court. But, until then, I see no reason to look at him as different from any other criminal who got caught red handed but hasn’t been arraigned just yet.
 
dad4 said:
The key fact here is not being disputed. Trump was keeping top secret documents at his mansion. Both the FBI and Trump‘s lawyers agree on this point.

Trump will eventually have his day in court. But, until then, I see no reason to look at him as different from any other criminal who got caught red handed but hasn’t been arraigned just yet.
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These folks were also got "caught red handed'....

The McMartin preschool trial was a day care sexual abuse case in the 1980s, prosecuted by the Los Angeles District Attorney Ira Reiner.[1] Members of the McMartin family, who operated a preschool in Manhattan Beach, California, were charged with hundreds of acts of sexual abuse of children in their care. Accusations were made in 1983, arrests and the pretrial investigation took place from 1984 to 1987, and trials ran from 1987 to 1990. The case lasted seven years but resulted in no convictions, and all charges were dropped in 1990. By the case's end, it had become the longest and most expensive series of criminal trials in American history.[2][3] The case was part of day-care sex-abuse hysteria, a moral panic over alleged Satanic ritual abuse in the 1980s and early 1990s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial
 
Lion Eyes said:
These folks were also got "caught red handed'....

The McMartin preschool trial was a day care sexual abuse case in the 1980s, prosecuted by the Los Angeles District Attorney Ira Reiner.[1] Members of the McMartin family, who operated a preschool in Manhattan Beach, California, were charged with hundreds of acts of sexual abuse of children in their care. Accusations were made in 1983, arrests and the pretrial investigation took place from 1984 to 1987, and trials ran from 1987 to 1990. The case lasted seven years but resulted in no convictions, and all charges were dropped in 1990. By the case's end, it had become the longest and most expensive series of criminal trials in American history.[2][3] The case was part of day-care sex-abuse hysteria, a moral panic over alleged Satanic ritual abuse in the 1980s and early 1990s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial
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And today's prize for best irrelevant tangent in defense of an untenable position goes to....

Lion Eyes.

Congratulations, L.E. Come forward to claim your prize. You deserve it.
 
dad4 said:
The key fact here is not being disputed.
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So again without all the facts you are going guilty.

Not surprising watching your stance on gov policies on covid, etc.

I suspect you thought T was guilty during the dossier years. After all the press you read said so. So did a variety of sources, both named and unnamed.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
So...Trump declassified the documents he didn't take but was totally authorized to take which he took to write his memoirs except the FBI planted the documents in the basement of his golf course which was a completely secure place to store classified documents anyway even if Trump totally didn't have any documents and which were unclassified anyway because he can do that to the documents which he took to protect them for history and now he wants a court to force the FBI to give him the documents back that he totally didn't take?-Jim Wright
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Man, everybody getting so played. When does this end? trumpy is having so much fun...mabye too much fun...and he still may end up in jail for other more serious stuff...I wonder if anyone is filming all of this and will later release it as some reality docuseries on netflix...
 
dad4 said:
And today's prize for best irrelevant tangent in defense of an untenable position goes to....

Lion Eyes.

Congratulations, L.E. Come forward to claim your prize. You deserve it.
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" I see no reason to look at him as different from any other criminal who got caught red handed but hasn’t been arraigned just yet."
You win the prize for most ignorant statement regarding the law...one is not guilty until proven so.
Are you ignorant of the law, or does your arrogance keep you from learning it?
 
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watfly said:
You don't find someone that rants daily about Trump for the last few years as disturbingly obsessive?
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I find those that continue to excuse the inexcusable disturbingly obsessive. Some people want to act as if calling some neo-nazis “good people”, standing as an equal ( in the role of POTUS) with Kim Jong un, saying Putin was “brilliant” for invading Ukraine, making deals with the Taliban when they weren’t even the ones yet in power, having US citizens attacked and pushed out of the way for a photo op or taking the people’s property, classified material, hiding it away and ignoring lawful request for its return then calling foul when the proper, lawfully assigned agents with a warrant of search seizure signed by a federal judge (one put there by trump himself) is all normal, nothing to see here, necessary for the good of the republic kind of stuff. You may not personally but you talk their talk and walk their walk. Maybe not in lockstep but it’s hard to see the difference from here.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
I find those that continue to excuse the inexcusable disturbingly obsessive. Some people want to act as if calling some neo-nazis “good people”, standing as an equal ( in the role of POTUS) with Kim Jong un, saying Putin was “brilliant” for invading Ukraine, making deals with the Taliban when they weren’t even the ones yet in power, having US citizens attacked and pushed out of the way for a photo op or taking the people’s property, classified material, hiding it away and ignoring lawful request for its return then calling foul when the proper, lawfully assigned agents with a warrant of search seizure signed by a federal judge (one put there by trump himself) is all normal, nothing to see here, necessary for the good of the republic kind of stuff. You may not personally but you talk their talk and walk their walk. Maybe not in lockstep but it’s hard to see the difference from here.
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Sounds like we're running low on pitchforks and torches.
 
Pollo Elastico said:
So again without all the facts you are going guilty.

Not surprising watching your stance on gov policies on covid, etc.

I suspect you thought T was guilty during the dossier years. After all the press you read said so. So did a variety of sources, both named and unnamed.
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Guilty?

No. That word can wait for the trial. I am not some crass demagogue who holds giant rallies chanting "lock him up".

However, if there were such a demagogue, I would certainly not vote for him or any of his allies.
 
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