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I know two specific male soccer players both being recruited by Ivies and one 2023 grad does not and neither will the 2025 pay for anything.
I’ve seen them out recruiting lately hard… Harvard, Yale, Brown, Columbia, etc…
Keeping up with the soccer Joneses
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I’ve seen them out recruiting lately hard… Harvard, Yale, Brown, Columbia, etc…
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I personally know very little of the legalities of NIL but would walk very carefully however, I personally spoke with the coach of a playoff D1 school who offered a friend full scholarship plus NIL money. Sooo… must be legal? Not sure. I do know avoid agents like the plague as that is a sure fire and easy way to kill ncaa eligibility.
I believe that they can mention the possibility of NIL money now, but can't promise anything specific, such as a no-show job with a local car dealer.
That's very interesting...
Are most of these top MLS Next / ECNL clubs pretty supportive in getting their kids onto academies or are they more protective, wanting to keep the kids for their teams and not lose them to academies?
I got a job with my deal back in the day. It was called, "word study job." I got $4.25 an hour to open the gym for three hours, do my homework in the gym and then lock the doors. Best job I ever had. I heard a full ride and NIL and was shocked!!!
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Virginia colleges can pay players NIL $$$ directly.
Virginia law allows schools to pay athletes for NIL
Schools in Virginia will be able to directly pay athletes via name, image and likeness deals thanks to a state law signed Thursday morning.
Avoiding agents makes sense.
Agents are NCAA's biggest threat. Once agents can represent players they'll establish standard payment levels for players and work as a group in negotiations. Imagine a college "players union" where NCAA/Colleges have to negotiate with a single person/group that represents all college student athletes.
This is what's coming if NCAA keeps losing in court.
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If they aren’t, then you know the problem… if a player can and more up a level to further development then they should have the support of a coach that is developing them.
This is unfortunately not always the case which is why I reference the role of a connected trainer. Often the initial contact or referral can come that way.
I know a few parents in South OC that took out seconds and line of credits so they could participate (with their kid) and compete in Travel Soccer. $150,000 line of credit or pull cash out on a second is what is needed to take on the Soccer Joneses. This is high stakes gaming with the reward of a college acceptance at best for your child or a partial ride. 9 full rides for the boys and 14 for the girls with many schools with 30+ on the roster. Look what that Mr. Singer fella was charging the Joneses for his help and let's not forget about the Smiths.
In my experience, non-academy clubs benefit when they get players onto an MLS academy (because they get to brag about it to prospective parents) and so are supportive. Individual coaches may not be so generous...
Don't forget 25% of them are from other countries.
Not to mention the entire state of TX only has 1 D1 Men's soccer team with the full 9.9 scholarships. (SMU)
Especially as only one of those four schools plays mens soccer
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Absolutely no scholarship, only need based aid even if you are truly special.
My close friend's son got a silver medal in Math Olympic. Accepted at some Ivies plus MIT but has to pay full tuition because the parents make about 250k (not a lot considering it will cost at least 75k/year). There is no relief for upper middle class.
Like many others already said, if you still think 5k/yr to play soccer is a lot, do not waste it on youth sports.
But of course, it is fun if you can afford it. just think of it like recreational/vacation budget.
I was approached by a very rich parent about Yale back in the day. The Yale coach would come to our practices and was looking for excellent soccer players. I told the dad, "I can't afford Yale." The back story was back in 2017 I had someone rip me off in business and I lost my money big time. He knew my story and told me it would be "free" because I was poor. Yale coach was after two super smart players whose parents were so rich it would not hurt them. They wanted their dd at IVY and Yale was the place to be. I laughed because my dd wasn't interested in college soccer at the time. Thank God because that coach got indicted and pleaded guilty for taking bribes. I think it was over $1,000,000 in bribes.
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This!!! If you don’t make nattys you even have more summer off as bonus - take a look at the best rosters D1 - lots of those great soccer recruits had long summers. Just sayin.
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This is the party line - but it's just not universally the case. Ivies recruit desired athletes, and have the ability and the money to do so. It's not as overt, but it's too simplistic to state that they have nothing financial to offer. The selling point is usually the other way around - if they want a particular student athlete, there is nothing that should keep the student from accepting due to any financial reasons that the student may be affected by.
Nice to have a thread that's actually informative for boys, as long as you ignore the girl dads chiming in.
For most boys, college recruiting doesn't begin until junior HS year and most commitments are senior year. So you can really play wherever you want and save money until then. U17 up, college recruitment is much more likely if on a team with a program and coach that college coaches know and trust. This is often more important than winning record. These are typically MLS Next and ECNL clubs. On DS team, 4 D1 commits joined at U17/U19.
For most boys, college recruiting doesn't begin until junior HS year and most commitments are senior year. So you can really play wherever you want and save money until then. U17 up, college recruitment is much more likely if on a team with a program and coach that college coaches know and trust. This is often more important than winning record. These are typically MLS Next and ECNL clubs. On DS team, 4 D1 commits joined at U17/U19.
Long ago I heard the definition of an Ivy school is that if you are good enough to get in, they have the resources to assure that your family can afford it. "Good enough" also applies to athletic, diversity, legacy (Daddy went there and later donated a building), and other qualities in addition to academic metrics.
And then one must not forget the Ned Harkness story of the NY Agricultural College nicely co-located on the campus of Cornell University, and which had no restrictions about offering full scholarships to big Canadian farm boys who were good at hockey and/or lacrosse.