Is US Mens/Boys Soccer Dead or Dying

You realize she's disagreeing with you when you say it's a "sp. lost leader", right? Of course it's not the only issue - and it's probably not the largest issue if we ranked them - but as long as soccer remains a secondary/unpopular sport in the US - it's not likely to attract those few who would be able to perform in a way to change its standing at the world level.
 
My nephew plays te for a top 20 school. It’s very different than the soccer process. He used to be in a very high skilled sport and walked onto football in high school purely based on body type. He just got a big 10 offer despite having very little footage and having played very few minutes for his top 20 school sitting behind seniors (though he did shift to varsity as a sophomore and skipped the frosh team altogether). He does 7v 7 but no one takes the practice schedule as seriously as soccer (it’s a once a weekend thing). Very little by way of skills training. The training mostly comes in diet and straight up exercise for which he puts my soccer player to shame.
I recently saw a story of a kid who was either a TE or WR that hardly played in HS due to the quality of the team, but got a D1 offer based on his 7v7 film.
 
Let's also not forget CTE concerns has had a massive impact on football participation. I played pop warner growing up in SoCal. It was super popular back then. In NorCal it's almost non-existent in some areas. Tackle football is losing a lot of athletes as a result -- maybe not to soccer, but they're going somewhere.
I'm actually surprised that there as many kids still playing football as there is, particularly high school. If you want to play high school football there is zero reason to play pop warner football. Why risk a concussion at an early age, and I'd argue that club soccer is much better training for football than pop warner (at least for the skill players).
 
I'm actually surprised that there as many kids still playing football as there is, particularly high school. If you want to play high school football there is zero reason to play pop warner football. Why risk a concussion at an early age, and I'd argue that club soccer is much better training for football than pop warner (at least for the skill players).

For sure. I suspect if/when NFL actually admits responsibility for CTE, shit will hit the fan. Oddly enough after tackle football, girl's soccer is next on the list for concussions. But that's a thread that's been beaten to death I'm sure.

Been watching the NBA play-in tournament all week. Definitely some athletes out there -- too bad the average height in the NBA is 6'5....5" taller than the average EPL player (just under '6)
 
I'm actually surprised that there as many kids still playing football as there is, particularly high school. If you want to play high school football there is zero reason to play pop warner football. Why risk a concussion at an early age, and I'd argue that club soccer is much better training for football than pop warner (at least for the skill players).
The exception is qb. It takes a long time to develop skills and the tactical awareness is as difficult and as fast as soccer. Most of the qbs at the top 20 SoCal schools have been playing a long time since they weee tykes, even if it’s just flag and by middle school most are looking at the top middle school programs which Iiuc are contact.
 
For sure. I suspect if/when NFL actually admits responsibility for CTE, shit will hit the fan. Oddly enough after tackle football, girl's soccer is next on the list for concussions. But that's a thread that's been beaten to death I'm sure.

Been watching the NBA play-in tournament all week. Definitely some athletes out there -- too bad the average height in the NBA is 6'5....5" taller than the average EPL player (just under '6)
Think about the tens of thousands of basketball players that just weren’t tall enough
 
The exception is qb. It takes a long time to develop skills and the tactical awareness is as difficult and as fast as soccer. Most of the qbs at the top 20 SoCal schools have been playing a long time since they weee tykes, even if it’s just flag and by middle school most are looking at the top middle school programs which Iiuc are contact.
Very little passing in wee tyke Pop Warner and not much more after that age. Like you mention, most of the development occurs in middle school in flag or 7x7 passing leagues. The footwork and field vision learned by soccer players is a significant benefit for QB's. Maybe a steeper learning curve for soccer players turned QB, but not out of the question. A kid my son grew up playing soccer with, moved to football country in middle school and started playing non-contact football. He had Power 5 D1 offers by the time he was a sophomore. It's not as common for a soccer player to play QB as other FB skill positions, but it's not uncommon. Youth soccer is still better training for football than youth contact football. The toughest part for many soccer players is learning to tackle or be tackled. My son is still not very fond of either, but that's likely due to other factors.
 
Very little passing in wee tyke Pop Warner and not much more after that age. Like you mention, most of the development occurs in middle school in flag or 7x7 passing leagues. The footwork and field vision learned by soccer players is a significant benefit for QB's. Maybe a steeper learning curve for soccer players turned QB, but not out of the question. A kid my son grew up playing soccer with, moved to football country in middle school and started playing non-contact football. He had Power 5 D1 offers by the time he was a sophomore. It's not as common for a soccer player to play QB as other FB skill positions, but it's not uncommon. Youth soccer is still better training for football than youth contact football. The toughest part for many soccer players is learning to tackle or be tackled. My son is still not very fond of either, but that's likely due to other factors.
The elite football players (d1 and above) are elite their whole life. They’re the hammer not the nail.

The elite quarterbacks mostly grow up with a quarterback coach from a young age
 
Problem with soccer is it’s not a sport you can pivot to in the teen years. The more common pivot in this group is to football

A lot of the kids I know play a combination of soccer and basketball (maybe LXC instead of basketball) at a young age. As they get older and it's clear they're not going to be 6'5, they tend to focus on soccer. Many will have their growth plates measured, etc. This decision usually happens around U13/U14. So it's not really a pivot, but rather more of a focus on a sport they're more confident in and see a future in. High school, at least up here, forces that decision as well given basketball and soccer are the same season.
 
NIL is now starting in High School. Kids will get paid. More athletes will look at money sports.

The MLS Next ban on high school sports forces many players to make a choice.

My is MLS Next U13 is in middle school. He playes soccer, flag football, and runs track. He excels in all of them.

The soccer coach is the only coach that seems to think soccer should be his only sports. Even though the overall youth athletic development is mediocre. They are forcing a 6th grader to not play other sport.

Every other sports coach encourages him to be the best athlete he can be.

He is already contemplating if he wants to keep playing soccer. It's the least fun. Most high pressure, and the sports which least values his outstanding sprint speed. He has led every soccer team he has been on in scoring since U8 and he will probably leave the sport.

High level MLS Next kids have to make a choice in 8th grade if they are good at multiple sports.
 
NIL is now starting in High School. Kids will get paid. More athletes will look at money sports.

The MLS Next ban on high school sports forces many players to make a choice.

My is MLS Next U13 is in middle school. He playes soccer, flag football, and runs track. He excels in all of them.

The soccer coach is the only coach that seems to think soccer should be his only sports. Even though the overall youth athletic development is mediocre. They are forcing a 6th grader to not play other sport.

Every other sports coach encourages him to be the best athlete he can be.

He is already contemplating if he wants to keep playing soccer. It's the least fun. Most high pressure, and the sports which least values his outstanding sprint speed. He has led every soccer team he has been on in scoring since U8 and he will probably leave the sport.

High level MLS Next kids have to make a choice in 8th grade if they are good at multiple sports.
If you're having these kind of difficulties quit playing now. The coaches will only get worse. It's an annoying reality with soccer.

I've seen 2 coaches play the same team completely different. I've also seen coaches that consistently fail somehow work their way into leadership positions at clubs.

At least your kid is a boy. With girls physical abilities are less of a differentiator. What this means is who gets to play on the starting lineup is much more nuanced. This allows coaches to play mental games with players. I'm sure it happens with boys as well but when boys go through puberty it becomes clear who has an advantage.
 
NIL is now starting in High School. Kids will get paid. More athletes will look at money sports.

The MLS Next ban on high school sports forces many players to make a choice.

My is MLS Next U13 is in middle school. He playes soccer, flag football, and runs track. He excels in all of them.

The soccer coach is the only coach that seems to think soccer should be his only sports. Even though the overall youth athletic development is mediocre. They are forcing a 6th grader to not play other sport.

Every other sports coach encourages him to be the best athlete he can be.

He is already contemplating if he wants to keep playing soccer. It's the least fun. Most high pressure, and the sports which least values his outstanding sprint speed. He has led every soccer team he has been on in scoring since U8 and he will probably leave the sport.

High level MLS Next kids have to make a choice in 8th grade if they are good at multiple sports.
Many players that are very fast growing up do not develop dribbling or passing skills as much, since they rely on their speed. Speed solves many problems in soccer but by the time they become adults, lots of players are fast. This may not be your player, but it is true for many "fast" players. The other thing that happens is defenders get better at reading the fast player and let them know early in the game that there can be consequences.
 
Many players that are very fast growing up do not develop dribbling or passing skills as much, since they rely on their speed. Speed solves many problems in soccer but by the time they become adults, lots of players are fast. This may not be your player, but it is true for many "fast" players. The other thing that happens is defenders get better at reading the fast player and let them know early in the game that there can be consequences.
It's with the same with the big leggers and shooting. Coaches teach them early on to shoot it over the keepers head. It doesn't work anymore by the time the keepers are U16 and can touch the cross bar. The ones that have been practicing precision shooting to the corners then have the advantage. And then people scratch their heads and wonder why the boys keep woofing it over the cross bar (it's because they've been taught to flex rather than point their foot and therefore do it every single time).
 
NIL is now starting in High School. Kids will get paid. More athletes will look at money sports.

The MLS Next ban on high school sports forces many players to make a choice.

My is MLS Next U13 is in middle school. He playes soccer, flag football, and runs track. He excels in all of them.

The soccer coach is the only coach that seems to think soccer should be his only sports. Even though the overall youth athletic development is mediocre. They are forcing a 6th grader to not play other sport.

Every other sports coach encourages him to be the best athlete he can be.

He is already contemplating if he wants to keep playing soccer. It's the least fun. Most high pressure, and the sports which least values his outstanding sprint speed. He has led every soccer team he has been on in scoring since U8 and he will probably leave the sport.

High level MLS Next kids have to make a choice in 8th grade if they are good at multiple sports.
This is so spot on, and the experience of a lot of kids. Very similar story for my son, although he was only playing soccer by U13 (and totally out of the sport by U16). It became a job in many respects, MLS Next is a grind for both kids and parents. Like you said "it's the least fun". Our youth soccer system doesn't develop passion for the sport. There are more coaches that are passion robbing than passion creating. (Not totally blaming coaches, as I think the lack of passion is partially cultural).

Soccer does require more training than the other big 3 sports, but it doesn't require year round training. The MLSN clubs have long seasons from Sep through May and then many load up the summer with tournaments. The idea that kids should have to specialize in year round soccer by the time they're 10 (or earlier) is simply arrogance on the part of our youth soccer "leadership". The arrogance is ironic considering we haven't done shit as a country in soccer. The concept of cross-training is completely foreign to soccer development in the US.

Despite huge youth participation, soccer will never be more than a niche sport in the US. My son plays HS football and he still has time to be on the golf team, have a girlfriend, get good grades and surf and snowboard on the weekends. His odds of getting a scholarship to play football in college are pretty good. Likely 20x or higher, than if he had remained in club soccer.
 
But you are not going to produce thousands of world class players, so you identify the best players, i.e. the ones that look like they may have a shot, scholarship them and let everyone else pay by fooling them into thinking their kid has a shot. Realistically, you are looking at less than 2% who might have a shot out of the 16000 - so a few hundred, with the rest being fillers with money.
Even English academies have "facilitator' players that they know will never make it.

This is a good listen if you have the time:

 
This is so spot on, and the experience of a lot of kids. Very similar story for my son, although he was only playing soccer by U13 (and totally out of the sport by U16). It became a job in many respects, MLS Next is a grind for both kids and parents. Like you said "it's the least fun". Our youth soccer system doesn't develop passion for the sport. There are more coaches that are passion robbing than passion creating. (Not totally blaming coaches, as I think the lack of passion is partially cultural).
Most college coaches are soccer passion killers.
 
Most college coaches are soccer passion killers.
I hear that particularly on the women's side. For men, they're either hardened by that time or have no passion left to lose. :cool:

I could be totally wrong about this, but I tend to hear more positive things about girl's club soccer coaches than I do boys.
 
I hear that particularly on the women's side. For men, they're either hardened by that time or have no passion left to lose. :cool:

I could be totally wrong about this, but I tend to hear more positive things about girl's club soccer coaches than I do boys.
We had mostly good experiences with girl's and boy's club coaches.
 
We had mostly good experiences with girl's and boy's club coaches.
My son has had 6 (it’s going to be 7) coaches since he started travel (more than 1/2 of them having to move due to factors beyond his control). Out of the 6 two of them were great (both focused on development and took knocks on the wins as a result), 2 had their merits and demerits, 2 were downright awful. For the money we pay that shouldn’t really be the case.
 
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