Insurrection hearings

[tenacious]

Personal?
You are the one who started with some Chea bullshit, so cry me a river
Forced me ? It's been posted many times...you pin headed buffoon...comprehension problems ?

Well... if you go back and reread your posts in here you've pretty clearly been doing everything you can to avoid talking about Trump's actions on Jan 6th. It's all just Joe Biden this, Joe Biden that. Seems to me thats pretty close to what Chesa and the lefties are always trying to do with the whole defund the police thing. You know, society (or in Trumps case apparently Joe Biden to you) are to blame for crime, not the criminals.

If it walk like Chesa Boudin, and talks like Chesa Boudin... (can you see where I'm going with this?)

 

[tenacious]

Not sure why you give a fuck...
So you're good with Biden's border policy?
Muahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa............................................................

I don't like Biden's border policy. Does that mean I'm not allowed to call out Trump or the soft on crime crowd? I mean this is the Jan 6th thread, and if we're not allowed to talk about Trump alleged crimes in here, then I'm not sure where you feel those discussions are suppose to happen?

 

[crush]

I don't like Biden's border policy. Does that mean I'm not allowed to call out Trump or the soft on crime crowd? I mean this is the Jan 6th thread, and if we're not allowed to talk about Trump alleged crimes in here, then I'm not sure where you feel those discussions are suppose to happen?

6 years and counting by people like you. TDS is real and you got it big time.

 

[crush]

 

[Lion Eyes]

I don't like Biden's border policy. Does that mean I'm not allowed to call out Trump or the soft on crime crowd? I mean this is the Jan 6th thread, and if we're not allowed to talk about Trump alleged crimes in here, then I'm not sure where you feel those discussions are suppose to happen?

Where did I say you're not free to call out Trump? I thought we were free to converse about whatever....
Threads change directions and subjects daily. I'll have to go back and reread the rules regarding threads and what one can post in a given thread.
What happened January 6th is a given...what Biden does daily is news...
What alleged crimes would you like to post about princess?

 

[Lion Eyes]

Well... if you go back and reread your posts in here you've pretty clearly been doing everything you can to avoid talking about Trump's actions on Jan 6th. It's all just Joe Biden this, Joe Biden that. Seems to me thats pretty close to what Chesa and the lefties are always trying to do with the whole defund the police thing. You know, society (or in Trumps case apparently Joe Biden to you) are to blame for crime, not the criminals.

If it walk like Chesa Boudin, and talks like Chesa Boudin... (can you see where I'm going with this?)

Did the hearings create something new that hasn't been talked about on this thread?
Please speak up about your concerns from the hearing...I'll try not to confuse you by "changing" the thread subject.
So yes I see where this is going...apparently reasoning is not your strength..

 

[Lion Eyes]

Column: Liz Cheney’s principles were showing at the Reagan library. So were her politics.

....“We are confronting a domestic threat that we have never faced before,” Cheney told the crowd of almost 700 people. “And that is a former president who is attempting to unravel the foundations of our constitutional republic. And he is aided by Republican leaders and elected officials who have made themselves willing hostages to this dangerous and irrational man.” ....

Column: Liz Cheney's principles were showing at the Reagan library. So were her politics.

The Wyoming congresswoman brought her lonely battle to Simi Valley, a GOP stronghold. They loved her.

www.latimes.com

 

[watfly]

Where did I say you're not free to call out Trump? I thought we were free to converse about whatever....
Threads change directions and subjects daily. I'll have to go back and reread the rules regarding threads and what one can post in a given thread.
What happened January 6th is a given...what Biden does daily is news...
What alleged crimes would you like to post about princess?

The great irony is apparently you can't criticize the hearing without being an ardent supporter of Trump. Even after you've repeatedly been highly critical of Trump. They way I look at this whole thing is from an old school perspective "two wrongs don't make a right". The lack of self-awareness is always the most entertaining part of these threads.

I saw the testimony, I thought that Hutchinson felt she was telling the truth to the best of her recollection and appeared credible. However, 2nd and 3rd hand testimony is notoriously unreliable. I do question her honesty now, mostly because she claimed to pen the note that allegedly penned by someone else. That's not something you would misremember. If the committee is actually interested in the truth they will call the SS agents and the others that saw the events first hand that she testified to. The fact that they didn't immediately after her testimony paints a pretty obvious picture.

 

[tenacious]

The great irony is apparently you can't criticize the hearing without being an ardent supporter of Trump. Even after you've repeatedly been highly critical of Trump. They way I look at this whole thing is from an old school perspective "two wrongs don't make a right". The lack of self-awareness is always the most entertaining part of these threads.

I saw the testimony, I thought that Hutchinson felt she was telling the truth to the best of her recollection and appeared credible. However, 2nd and 3rd hand testimony is notoriously unreliable. I do question her honesty now, mostly because she claimed to pen the note that allegedly penned by someone else. That's not something you would misremember. If the committee is actually interested in the truth they will call the SS agents and the others that saw the events first hand that she testified to. The fact that they didn't immediately after her testimony paints a pretty obvious picture.

Actually I think the problem was more along the lines of talking about Biden in response questions about Trump in the lead up to the Jan 6th attack on the nations capital is going to get you mocked. But hey, if there is a particular post of mine you think was out of line and feelings got hurt than I am happy to apologize.

Now as to Hutchinson, you could be right and she is lying? But I don't see what she would have to gain by it given her political background. Let me share a quote on her background from that Washington Examiner article I posted earlier:

"Hutchinson’s resume alone should establish her credibility. The 25-year-old had already worked at the highest levels of conservative Republican politics, including in the offices of Sen. Ted Cruz (TX) and House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (LA), before becoming a top aide for former Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows.

In short, Hutchinson was a conservative Trumpist true believer and a tremendously credible one at that. She did not overstate things, did not seem to be seeking attention, and was very precise about how and why she knew what she related and about which testimony was firsthand and which was secondhand but able to be corroborated."

Trump proven unfit for power again - Washington Examiner

Former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson’s Tuesday testimony ought to ring the death knell for former President Donald Trump’s political career. Trump is unfit to be anywhere near power ever again. Hutchinson’s resume alone should establish her credibility. The 25-year-old had already worked...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[tenacious]

Did the hearings create something new that hasn't been talked about on this thread?
Please speak up about your concerns from the hearing...I'll try not to confuse you by "changing" the thread subject.
So yes I see where this is going...apparently reasoning is not your strength..

Again... rather than asking me lets go back to what the Washington Examiner thought was worth talking about. Here's a taste to get us started:

"What Hutchinson relayed was disturbing. She gave believable accounts of White House awareness that the planned Jan. 6 rally could turn violent. She repeated testimony that Trump not only knew that then-Vice President Mike Pence’s life had been credibly threatened that day but also that he was somewhere between uncaring and actually approving of Pence’s danger.

She also told, in detail, that Trump repeatedly insisted that he himself should join his supporters at the Capitol — even after being informed the crowd contained armed elements and that it was breaching the perimeter against an undermanned U.S. Capitol Police force.

Also distressing to hear were Hutchinson’s accounts of Trump’s repeated fits of rage, including dining table contents overturned and ketchup dishes thrown violently across the room. The worst by far, though, was that people immediately returning from being with Trump in the presidential vehicle told of the president trying to grab the wheel of the car to force it to be driven to the Capitol and then violently reaching for the neck of Secret Service agent Bobby Engel, who headed the president’s protective detail."

Trump proven unfit for power again - Washington Examiner

Former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson’s Tuesday testimony ought to ring the death knell for former President Donald Trump’s political career. Trump is unfit to be anywhere near power ever again. Hutchinson’s resume alone should establish her credibility. The 25-year-old had already worked...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[tenacious]

I know the news media likes to filter what we see, so let me share a link to Hutchinson's entire testimony so folks can judge for themselves. These are some pretty explosive accusations.

 

[espola]

The great irony is apparently you can't criticize the hearing without being an ardent supporter of Trump. Even after you've repeatedly been highly critical of Trump. They way I look at this whole thing is from an old school perspective "two wrongs don't make a right". The lack of self-awareness is always the most entertaining part of these threads.

I saw the testimony, I thought that Hutchinson felt she was telling the truth to the best of her recollection and appeared credible. However, 2nd and 3rd hand testimony is notoriously unreliable. I do question her honesty now, mostly because she claimed to pen the note that allegedly penned by someone else. That's not something you would misremember. If the committee is actually interested in the truth they will call the SS agents and the others that saw the events first hand that she testified to. The fact that they didn't immediately after her testimony paints a pretty obvious picture.

People who think t is innocent and who would contest Ms. Hutchinson's testimony have refused to testify under oath. Next week Mr. Cipollone, one of those in the room, has been subpoenaed to testify, but refuses to do so in public. What does your spidey-sense tell you about that?

January 6 committee subpoenas Trump White House counsel Pat Cipollone for testimony

The House select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, US Capitol attack has issued a subpoena to compel testimony from Pat Cipollone, former President Donald Trump's White House counsel.

www.cnn.com

 

[watfly]

Actually I think the problem was more along the lines of talking about Biden in response questions about Trump in the lead up to the Jan 6th attack on the nations capital is going to get you mocked. But hey, if there is a particular post of mine you think was out of line and feelings got hurt than I am happy to apologize.

Now as to Hutchinson, you could be right and she is lying? But I don't see what she would have to gain by it given her political background. Let me share a quote on her background from that Washington Examiner article I posted earlier:

"Hutchinson’s resume alone should establish her credibility. The 25-year-old had already worked at the highest levels of conservative Republican politics, including in the offices of Sen. Ted Cruz (TX) and House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (LA), before becoming a top aide for former Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows.

In short, Hutchinson was a conservative Trumpist true believer and a tremendously credible one at that. She did not overstate things, did not seem to be seeking attention, and was very precise about how and why she knew what she related and about which testimony was firsthand and which was secondhand but able to be corroborated."

Trump proven unfit for power again - Washington Examiner

Former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson’s Tuesday testimony ought to ring the death knell for former President Donald Trump’s political career. Trump is unfit to be anywhere near power ever again. Hutchinson’s resume alone should establish her credibility. The 25-year-old had already worked...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Again... rather than asking me lets go back to what the Washington Examiner thought was worth talking about. Here's a taste to get us started:

"What Hutchinson relayed was disturbing. She gave believable accounts of White House awareness that the planned Jan. 6 rally could turn violent. She repeated testimony that Trump not only knew that then-Vice President Mike Pence’s life had been credibly threatened that day but also that he was somewhere between uncaring and actually approving of Pence’s danger.

She also told, in detail, that Trump repeatedly insisted that he himself should join his supporters at the Capitol — even after being informed the crowd contained armed elements and that it was breaching the perimeter against an undermanned U.S. Capitol Police force.

Also distressing to hear were Hutchinson’s accounts of Trump’s repeated fits of rage, including dining table contents overturned and ketchup dishes thrown violently across the room. The worst by far, though, was that people immediately returning from being with Trump in the presidential vehicle told of the president trying to grab the wheel of the car to force it to be driven to the Capitol and then violently reaching for the neck of Secret Service agent Bobby Engel, who headed the president’s protective detail."

Trump proven unfit for power again - Washington Examiner

Former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson’s Tuesday testimony ought to ring the death knell for former President Donald Trump’s political career. Trump is unfit to be anywhere near power ever again. Hutchinson’s resume alone should establish her credibility. The 25-year-old had already worked...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I know the news media likes to filter what we see, so let me share a link to Hutchinson's entire testimony so folks can judge for themselves. These are some pretty explosive accusations.

I don't disagree with any of the posted sentiments, however, at the end of the day it doesn't change the fact that her bombshell comments were all hearsay. There is a reason hearsay is not allowed in court. Of course, Raskin and others say the hearings aren't Court, which is a euphemism for we don't really care about the truth. Even Jake Tapper called him out on that BS. I believe Trump is unfit for office (although I don't believe throwing food disqualifies him) and I think LE believes the same thing now matter how hard you try to imply otherwise. For me the two main things that disqualify him are 1) is failure to call off the rioters and 2) his attempted coercion of the attorney general and election officials.

Let me ask you this. Do you think the committee should call the SS agents and others to testify to either corroborate or impeach her testimony?

 

[watfly]

Hmm... let me see if I follow you you Chesa. We should ignore sedition because Biden has a sucky immigration policy. That's a totally powerful point bro. lol

But to bring it back to Trump, if he broke the law do you think he should be held accountable? As in go to jail...

The claim that we're ignoring sedition by not having these hearings is disingenuous. The committee could have simply turned the evidence over to the Justice Department and FBI instead of having a televised kangaroo court. Think of all the effort that is going into these hearings when we should be hearing from experts on how to combat inflation.

 

[tenacious]

I don't disagree with any of the posted sentiments, however, at the end of the day it doesn't change the fact that her bombshell comments were all hearsay. There is a reason hearsay is not allowed in court. Of course, Raskin and others say the hearings aren't Court, which is a euphemism for we don't really care about the truth. Even Jake Tapper called him out on that BS. I believe Trump is unfit for office (although I don't believe throwing food disqualifies him) and I think LE believes the same thing now matter how hard you try to imply otherwise. For me the two main things that disqualify him are 1) is failure to call off the rioters and 2) his attempted coercion of the attorney general and election officials.

Let me ask you this. Do you think the committee should call the SS agents and others to testify to either corroborate or impeach her testimony?

Heck yes they should call them. Although (and this could be wrong) I thought SS agents weren't allowed to be compelled to testify because it might endanger their relationship with the person they are tasked with protecting?

As to hearsay I'm with you there. Trump hasn't been proven to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to me. But given the credibility of the witness, along with testimony about requests for pre-emptive pardons and the brute fact folks in the know are seemingly hiding behind the 5th... I think a deeper investigation is warranted.

 

[tenacious]

The claim that we're ignoring sedition by not having these hearings is disingenuous. The committee could have simply turned the evidence over to the Justice Department and FBI instead of having a televised kangaroo court. Think of all the effort that is going into these hearings when we should be hearing from experts on how to combat inflation.

You're not really going to make me go back and repost the memes about Biden's immigration policy in response to my talking about the January 6th committee are you?

 

[watfly]

People who think t is innocent and who would contest Ms. Hutchinson's testimony have refused to testify under oath. Next week Mr. Cipollone, one of those in the room, has been subpoenaed to testify, but refuses to do so in public. What does your spidey-sense tell you about that?

January 6 committee subpoenas Trump White House counsel Pat Cipollone for testimony

The House select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, US Capitol attack has issued a subpoena to compel testimony from Pat Cipollone, former President Donald Trump's White House counsel.

www.cnn.com

My spidey sense tells me that Cipollone believes he may have some criminal exposure. However, that is not a legitimate rationalization for not calling others that could contest or corroborate her testimony.

 

[espola]

My spidey sense tells me that Cipollone believes he may have some criminal exposure. However, that is not a legitimate rationalization for not calling others that could contest or corroborate her testimony.

How do you know who they have not called?

 

[tenacious]

My spidey sense tells me that Cipollone believes he may have some criminal exposure. However, that is not a legitimate rationalization for not calling others that could contest or corroborate her testimony.

Now my turn for a question!

Let's say some unknown happens, like the Justice Dept flips that Proud Boys leader that got arrested... and someone like him starts testifying and it's our worst fear; Trump is shown to have committed 'sedition.' What is the fair punishment for trying to appoint oneself the king?

 

[espola]

Now my turn for a question!

Let's say some unknown happens, like the Justice Dept flips that Proud Boys leader that got arrested... and someone like him starts testifying and it's our worst fear; Trump is shown to have committed 'sedition.' What is the fair punishment for trying to appoint oneself the king?

Since he was Commander-in-Chief of the US Armed Forces, one could argue that the UCMJ applies. Quoting from Article 94 of UCMJ --

A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.

10 U.S. Code § 894 - Art. 94. Mutiny or sedition

www.law.cornell.edu

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