How do leagues stack up?

They always say ecnl, mls next, ga or whatever top league it is those players/family spend a lot but my question is do you really pay less if your kid plays on lower leagues? hmmm In our soccer journey the only time it was not expensive when my kid played in core ayso because it was pure volunteer. Even ayso select and extra is expensive. I think you spend the same amount of money. I say regular club teams go on at least 6 tournaments a year. I think most of SW ECNL teams goes to at least 6 tournaments also 2-3 ecnl showcases and 3 local tournaments. So is it really more expensive to play in top leagues???

For boys, there are inexpensive and expensive options at every level. At the very top are fully-sponsored programs. Also, even “expensive” teams often extend needs-based scholarships. So it is not necessarily more expensive to play in top leagues.

IMHO families really should understand why they are paying premium fees and for out of town travel. Could be the right decision but depends on the individual player and finances.
 
They always say ecnl, mls next, ga or whatever top league it is those players/family spend a lot but my question is do you really pay less if your kid plays on lower leagues? hmmm In our soccer journey the only time it was not expensive when my kid played in core ayso because it was pure volunteer. Even ayso select and extra is expensive. I think you spend the same amount of money. I say regular club teams go on at least 6 tournaments a year. I think most of SW ECNL teams goes to at least 6 tournaments also 2-3 ecnl showcases and 3 local tournaments. So is it really more expensive to play in top leagues???
For youngers
OC club with ECNL affiliation - $2600 a year.
OC club with EA affiliation - $1500 a year.
OC club with MLS next affiliation - $2300

I think even if your kids are not currently on an ECNL or MLS next team, you are subsidizing for them just because your club is affiliated with those leagues.
 
Also your kid can play for a great team but not get much playing time. Not going to get noticed if you are not on the field.
For youngers
OC club with ECNL affiliation - $2600 a year.
OC club with EA affiliation - $1500 a year.
OC club with MLS next affiliation - $2300

I think even if your kids are not currently on an ECNL or MLS next team, you are subsidizing for them just because your club is affiliated with those leagues.

Where are you sourcing these figures?
 
Have you seen the college signing announcement of MLS next and ECNL clubs in orange county? I have to say if my kid goes to those schools, I would question my investment in soccer. Most of these kids don't get full rides. When families figure this out, and eventually they do, EA is looking all that better.

There are much better time investments for getting into a good school than soccer. Like studying.
 
For youngers
OC club with ECNL affiliation - $2600 a year.
OC club with EA affiliation - $1500 a year.
OC club with MLS next affiliation - $2300

I think even if your kids are not currently on an ECNL or MLS next team, you are subsidizing for them just because your club is affiliated with those leagues.
How did you get these numbers?.
My son and daughter are in "younger OC club".
The offers we get for 2023-2024 season:
OC club playing in EA - $3500 (club fee only, NOT including tournament fee, uniform and travel expenses)
OC club playing in SOCAL league flight 1-3 - $2400 - $2800 (club fee only NOT including tournament fee uniform and travel expenses)
OC club playing in pre-ECNL - $2500 (club fee only NOT including tournament fee uniform and travel expenses)

AYSO extra (in orange county) - $1500 (including 1x/week training with a professional trainer but not including tournament fee, approximately 7-8 month program (off in summer and winter).
 
How did you get these numbers?.
My son and daughter are in "younger OC club".
The offers we get for 2023-2024 season:
OC club playing in EA - $3500 (club fee only, NOT including tournament fee, uniform and travel expenses)
OC club playing in SOCAL league flight 1-3 - $2400 - $2800 (club fee only NOT including tournament fee uniform and travel expenses)
OC club playing in pre-ECNL - $2500 (club fee only NOT including tournament fee uniform and travel expenses)

AYSO extra (in orange county) - $1500 (including 1x/week training with a professional trainer but not including tournament fee, approximately 7-8 month program (off in summer and winter).
My numbers are for the youngest of the youngers.
 
From friends who play in different clubs. I have to say though, the $2600 a year club has the best looking soccer jersey and bags in youth soccer.

I look at these club fees like I look at the cost of a dog. People ask: "How much is that dog?" Doesn't matter. You've got vet bills, food, kennel costs if you go out of town, etc. With soccer, you have the opportunity cost. It is so much higher than the cost of the cool backpack with the crest and the team name written in an elegant font.
 
I look at these club fees like I look at the cost of a dog. People ask: "How much is that dog?" Doesn't matter. You've got vet bills, food, kennel costs if you go out of town, etc. With soccer, you have the opportunity cost. It is so much higher than the cost of the cool backpack with the crest and the team name written in an elegant font.

That is a great way to look at it. Who cares if the initial investment is different by a few hundred dollars. If you end up going to the same vet, buying the same food, using the same same kennels, the cost of the dog is the same. Claiming that one letter league is more expensive than the other is just another case of the pot calling the kettle black. If you are traveling outside of your county for league games, and have mandatory post/pre-season events, your soccer costs are likely the same as those participating in the other leagues.
 
I really think that the idea of EA being a feeder for MLSN and ECRL being a feeder for ECNL is a bit of an empty sales pitch. Players are just as likely to be recruited from outside.
At my son's last club, at least 8 kids moved from ECRL to ECNL over two years. Could be more by now. The RL team has to be strong, though, for this to happen.
 
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At my son's last club, at least 8 kids moved from ECRL to ECNL over two years. Could be more by now. The RL team has to be strong, though, for this to happen.

Context matters...

In one age group or across all six? Just boys or girls too? What was going on in the NL team(s) that spots were opening up (particularly if this just one team/age)?
 
I look at these club fees like I look at the cost of a dog. People ask: "How much is that dog?" Doesn't matter. You've got vet bills, food, kennel costs if you go out of town, etc. With soccer, you have the opportunity cost. It is so much higher than the cost of the cool backpack with the crest and the team name written in an elegant font.
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That is a great way to look at it. Who cares if the initial investment is different by a few hundred dollars. If you end up going to the same vet, buying the same food, using the same same kennels, the cost of the dog is the same. Claiming that one letter league is more expensive than the other is just another case of the pot calling the kettle black. If you are traveling outside of your county for league games, and have mandatory post/pre-season events, your soccer costs are likely the same as those participating in the other leagues.

Total Cost of Ownership is the real metric. I'd say generally speaking TCO for a higher level league within an eco system will be higher, eg ECNL > ECNL RL, GA >> DPL, NPL >> SoCal, etc. as there are usually more travel commitments for the highest level teams.

What's suspect is how some clubs play hide the ball where they don't tell you what TCO looks like for a season until after the contract is signed and the first payment has been made.
 
Context matters...

In one age group or across all six? Just boys or girls too? What was going on in the NL team(s) that spots were opening up (particularly if this just one team/age)?
One age group. Boys. A few spots opened up as kids moved up to MLS Next, but in other cases, it was a swap. The kids asked to move down didn't always agree and some moved elsewhere, but not all.
 
How did you get these numbers?.
My son and daughter are in "younger OC club".
The offers we get for 2023-2024 season:
OC club playing in EA - $3500 (club fee only, NOT including tournament fee, uniform and travel expenses)
OC club playing in SOCAL league flight 1-3 - $2400 - $2800 (club fee only NOT including tournament fee uniform and travel expenses)
OC club playing in pre-ECNL - $2500 (club fee only NOT including tournament fee uniform and travel expenses)

AYSO extra (in orange county) - $1500 (including 1x/week training with a professional trainer but not including tournament fee, approximately 7-8 month program (off in summer and winter).

Soccer still feels like a good deal compared to other youth sports (tennis, dance, golf, gymnastics…)
 
Anyone know where does the UPSL Youth Academy league fits into the big picture for the boys? It appears there will be a youth league starting at U13 with some MLS academies listed.

 
Anyone know where does the UPSL Youth Academy league fits into the big picture for the boys? It appears there will be a youth league starting at U13 with some MLS academies listed.

Good lord, another league??
 
Anyone know where does the UPSL Youth Academy league fits into the big picture for the boys? It appears there will be a youth league starting at U13 with some MLS academies listed.


UPSL is a men’s league in which some MLS academy teams play. Hard to see how a new youth academy system would make sense for a 4th tier men’s league.
 
UPSL is a men’s league in which some MLS academy teams play. Hard to see how a new youth academy system would make sense for a 4th tier men’s league.
See the soccer boards. It's most definitely a new letter league for boys. Sporting SoCal is advertising for it for 10 and 08 boys.

I've heard a bunch of different rumors about this in the last 48 hours. The academy teams are going to park their reserve players there (hard to see how given the pool of clubs they have that those reserves will get a run for their money). That some clubs were unhappy with E64 so are moving over to UPSL. That some large clubs are going to move their 3rd teams over there. If they really are interested in attracting top talent, I'm surprised they haven't clarified, but other than the reserves for the academy teams and the 3rd tier teams for some of the larger clubs, so far the competition doesn't seem very deep. Well, with MLS Next as the undisputed boys top tier, and ECNL, UPSL, EA, E64 and to some extent still NPL competing for top talent, it's going to get very diffuse in socal on the boys second tier.
 
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