GIRLS DAII

Striker17 said:
I would prefer a governing body oversight rather than local track suits any day of the week.
I believe this is the first time in my life I have ever preferred that I may add- that's how little faith I have in the track suits and their ability to mange people and money.
Again as someone in a DA program I sense a difference and it has been a welcome change.
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Here is April Heinrich your track suit leader in her grab.
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I would take an Ellis or Heinrich track suit over a local anyway. We agree to disagree. I am only six years in, and very happy with what we have seen so far. I will continue to share experiences good or bad but so far it's been good.
I know some of you really enjoy your doom and gloom attitude about the DA. So far everything you have said has not come true and maybe it will within a year but for now I see a DA2 that was started, CRL is low level B team and C teams not in ECNL, and ECNL is watered down at 04. US soccer dictates the mandate and the clubs seem to be falling into line.
We should all hope for the best for our girls. I know all of us parents hope for the absolute best for those of you who walked before us and love watching those college games and hearing about the success of your daughters. It would be love if you could take the blinders off and when we say something good about the DA not jump down our throats and dismiss us. We are living it .
 
I also have to say and I think this is very important- a lot of us have done our research. They broadcast Jills and Aprils podcasts, and speaking events. The clubs are very transparent about the Chicago meetings. We live in an Information Age that didn't exist six years ago when I started this. We had to rely on clubs and coaches more so than we do now.
I am not a stupid person, and can see and listen to what is happening. Fact is some clubs are business as usual but some have dramatically changed operating procedures. There is a lot of behind the scenes activity here that I cannot and will not disclose but suffice It to say the landscape has changed and the power shift is evolving rapidly. Some clubs can see this and are making moves because they know they cannot compete or adhere to the standards aligned in the future from a business and market share perspective
 
Striker17 said:
I would take an Ellis or Heinrich track suit over a local anyway. We agree to disagree. I am only six years in, and very happy with what we have seen so far. I will continue to share experiences good or bad but so far it's been good.
I know some of you really enjoy your doom and gloom attitude about the DA. So far everything you have said has not come true and maybe it will within a year but for now I see a DA2 that was started, CRL is low level B team and C teams not in ECNL, and ECNL is watered down at 04. US soccer dictates the mandate and the clubs seem to be falling into line.
We should all hope for the best for our girls. I know all of us parents hope for the absolute best for those of you who walked before us and love watching those college games and hearing about the success of your daughters. It would be love if you could take the blinders off and when we say something good about the DA not jump down our throats and dismiss us. We are living it .
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Just pointing out you didn't want track suits running club soccer and that is exactly what you have. Now you okay with track suits running a program as long as it's Ellis and Heinirch. Backpedel much?

You are living it, Girls DA hasn't even started yet.
 
Striker17 said:
I also have to say and I think this is very important- a lot of us have done our research. They broadcast Jills and Aprils podcasts, and speaking events. The clubs are very transparent about the Chicago meetings. We live in an Information Age that didn't exist six years ago when I started this. We had to rely on clubs and coaches more so than we do now.
I am not a stupid person, and can see and listen to what is happening. Fact is some clubs are business as usual but some have dramatically changed operating procedures. There is a lot of behind the scenes activity here that I cannot and will not disclose but suffice It to say the landscape has changed and the power shift is evolving rapidly. Some clubs can see this and are making moves because they know they cannot compete or adhere to the standards aligned in the future from a business and market share perspective
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I have done many dog and pony shows during my corporate years. It's called selling the valued added program. I see you have downed a lot of US Soccer Kool-Aid in the process.
 
NoGoal said:
Just pointing out you didn't want track suits running club soccer and that is exactly what you have. Now you okay with track suits running a program as long as it's Ellis and Heinirch. Backpedel much?

You are living it, Girls DA hasn't even started yet.
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As for April Heinrich's leadership. She didn't do well as the 2006 UCI Womens head coach and ran back to US Soccer after a year.
 
Striker17 said:
I would take an Ellis or Heinrich track suit over a local anyway. We agree to disagree. I am only six years in, and very happy with what we have seen so far. I will continue to share experiences good or bad but so far it's been good.
I know some of you really enjoy your doom and gloom attitude about the DA. So far everything you have said has not come true and maybe it will within a year but for now I see a DA2 that was started, CRL is low level B team and C teams not in ECNL, and ECNL is watered down at 04. US soccer dictates the mandate and the clubs seem to be falling into line.
We should all hope for the best for our girls. I know all of us parents hope for the absolute best for those of you who walked before us and love watching those college games and hearing about the success of your daughters. It would be love if you could take the blinders off and when we say something good about the DA not jump down our throats and dismiss us. We are living it .
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@Striker17 I know that you are just trying to do the best for your player. At 6 years in you must have seen enough to know that the more things change the more they remain the same. I thought that ECNL was going to be this big development platform when it came out and what it was was a league with most of the best teams and most of the best clubs doing what they do. The league was just a showcase platform and a talent aggregator. The true development came from her coach, herself and playing with progressively better talent around her.

I hope the GDA becomes what you hope it is. I am more of a pragmatist and get my predictions of the future based primarily on my experiences from the past. Good luck to you and your player.
 
MakeAPlay said:
@Striker17 I know that you are just trying to do the best for your player. At 6 years in you must have seen enough to know that the more things change the more they remain the same. I thought that ECNL was going to be this big development platform when it came out and what it was was a league with most of the best teams and most of the best clubs doing what they do. The league was just a showcase platform and a talent aggregator. The true development came from her coach, herself and playing with progressively better talent around her.

I hope the GDA becomes what you hope it is. I am more of a pragmatist and get my predictions of the future based primarily on my experiences from the past. Good luck to you and your player.
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As always thank you for helping me navigate this crazy world and giving me perspective. I appreciate your posts and insight:)
 
MakeAPlay said:
@Striker17 I know that you are just trying to do the best for your player. At 6 years in you must have seen enough to know that the more things change the more they remain the same. I thought that ECNL was going to be this big development platform when it came out and what it was was a league with most of the best teams and most of the best clubs doing what they do. The league was just a showcase platform and a talent aggregator. The true development came from her coach, herself and playing with progressively better talent around her.

I hope the GDA becomes what you hope it is. I am more of a pragmatist and get my predictions of the future based primarily on my experiences from the past. Good luck to you and your player.
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Many of us also hope GDA is a success. One big difference between what we have now and will have is the difference between practicing two days a week versus four days a week. Most of the players who now train privately will continue to train privately. Practicing with your team and coach two extra days will certainly help the level of play. We shall all see.
 
Dos Equis said:
Sorry MAP, but you do the memory of Mr. Sparks a disservice with an error of ommission, and give the ECNL too much credit. The most problematic, non-negotiable demand that the ECNL clubs made on CSL was that their ECNL teams would always be Premier -- no relegation. Yes, some of the other demands they made where not so unreasonable, a middle ground could have been found, and Mr. Sparks made many mistakes. But telling CSL, a league who at its foundation believed in promotion and relegation, that 8 ECNL teams every year would be Premier, regardless of their performance, would fundamentally change CSL. Not just the control, but create different classes among its member clubs, and who knows what the fallout might have been from that.

As for those ECNL games against the non-ECNL SCDSL teams, the ones that lasted I think two seasons, the ECNL clubs viewed them as a joke. My DD's non-ECNL team beat Slammers ECNL, the team that had Kayla Mills on it and was probably the best in Socal at the time, in one of those games. However, neither Kayla nor another 5-6 starters where anywhere to be found for those games. They brought up B team players. The exact quote from the Slammers' parents at the time "you did not play Slammers."

Some of us lived through that turf war. Most of the ECNL clubs (Surf, Slammers, etc.) wanted a change in control of CSL Pemier even before ECNL existed. I do not blame ECNL as a league for the break, I think the responsibility is shared by the ECNL Socal clubs and CSL.
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@Dos Equis Not an error. Clearly for the games to count in the standings the ECNL teams would have to all be in Premier, which was an invitation only league already. There still would be 4 available slots in Premier if they kept it at 12 teams and the compromise could have been made that they expanded Premier to 14 or 16 teams. I don't really see the problem as most of these teams wanted to play the ECNL teams. My point was clear that the ECNL clubs were willing to negotiate and GS wasn't. The old system was set where the teams that got relegated basically imploded because the best players would scatter to the other premier teams.

Regarding the SCDSL showcase games. I never said that it went more than a season or that the ECNL teams played to win. My player played in one showcase game and sat out the other two and this was common practice to allow some of the players that didn't get as much PT to start and play extended minutes. Usually a teams top 5-7 girls didn't play or played very little.
Lambchop said:
Many of us also hope GDA is a success. One big difference between what we have now and will have is the difference between practicing two days a week versus four days a week. Most of the players who now train privately will continue to train privately. Practicing with your team and coach two extra days will certainly help the level of play. We shall all see.
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My player always previously practiced 3 days a week with her ECNL team plus privates during the offseason. I just don't know how my player would have squeezed in another day when she had other activities like ASB, community service, family activities, her friends and other commitments. During the college season they only practice 2 days a week with another day of film and a walkthrough practice. I just am curious as to what the endgame is. My player loves soccer but she loves the rest of her life too. Good luck to you and your player.
 
MakeAPlay said:
@Dos Equis Not an error. Clearly for the games to count in the standings the ECNL teams would have to all be in Premier, which was an invitation only league already. There still would be 4 available slots in Premier if they kept it at 12 teams and the compromise could have been made that they expanded Premier to 14 or 16 teams. I don't really see the problem as most of these teams wanted to play the ECNL teams. My point was clear that the ECNL clubs were willing to negotiate and GS wasn't. The old system was set where the teams that got relegated basically imploded because the best players would scatter to the other premier teams.

Regarding the SCDSL showcase games. I never said that it went more than a season or that the ECNL teams played to win. My player played in one showcase game and sat out the other two and this was common practice to allow some of the players that didn't get as much PT to start and play extended minutes. Usually a teams top 5-7 girls didn't play or played very little.


My player always previously practiced 3 days a week with her ECNL team plus privates during the offseason. I just don't know how my player would have squeezed in another day when she had other activities like ASB, community service, family activities, her friends and other commitments. During the college season they only practice 2 days a week with another day of film and a walkthrough practice. I just am curious as to what the endgame is. My player loves soccer but she loves the rest of her life too. Good luck to you and your player.
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Exactly, a player going 2 additional days to club practice a week in which I guarantee will lead to burn-out for several players once they add in their HS homework.
 
NoGoal said:
Exactly, a player going 2 additional days to club practice a week in which I guarantee will lead to burn-out for several players once they add in their HS homework.
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My understanding is that since there will be fewer games played, the fourth practice day will be on weekends when there is no game.
 
Sandypk said:
Well, I guess it's good you don't have to worry about it anymore.
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Dam straight I don't and why I think you posters are crazy for wanting your DDs to attend year round 4 days of Girls DA club practice and 1 day of league games a week with limited sub rules. Reality will be hitting home for many posters this coming season or next season. As you begin the college recruiting stage.
 
outside! said:
My understanding is that since there will be fewer games played, the fourth practice day will be on weekends when there is no game.
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IDK about less games, the West Coast Boys DA 2016-2017 conference have already played 33 games.
http://www.ussoccerda.com/sam/standings/league/standings.php?leagueId=MTAwMg==
Not counting DA college showcases and/or playoffs.

ECNL played 22 league games, 6 showcase games and 3-7 playoff games depending how deep a team went. It looks like same amount of games to me.
 
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