Get ready folks

All the public reasons for the potential change seem secondary or peripheral and I don't think US Soccer is being fully transparent (big surprise, i know).

In any case, US Soccer has given everyone the chance to voice their opinion: https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration

I am surprised this hasn't been posted yet or maybe I missed it.
It was posted on the forum, probably this thread. It was also mentioned that its doubtful if someone will go through who knows how many individual comments and then do what? If they wanted input, it would be in the form of a short survey that they can control content on and then use standard tools to analyze the results. The lack of that speaks volumes.

Why do you think they are making the change if "All the public reasons for the potential change seem secondary or peripheral"?
 
It was posted on the forum, probably this thread. It was also mentioned that its doubtful if someone will go through who knows how many individual comments and then do what? If they wanted input, it would be in the form of a short survey that they can control content on and then use standard tools to analyze the results. The lack of that speaks volumes.

Why do you think they are making the change if "All the public reasons for the potential change seem secondary or peripheral"?
TBH, i have no idea. I am not certain which way I even lean on it and my kid is a late Q4 birthdate with the double-whammy of being a late developer. Yes, playing with the year youngers will provide some opportunity to stand out, but breaking up the team over it seems like a lot of change. Gelling with a new team and parents isn't always a smooth transition.

I do think Skye Eddy's take on the FIFA mandatory reporting is an interesting factor I never considered.
 
It was posted on the forum, probably this thread. It was also mentioned that its doubtful if someone will go through who knows how many individual comments and then do what? If they wanted input, it would be in the form of a short survey that they can control content on and then use standard tools to analyze the results. The lack of that speaks volumes.
PS - I agree on the survey. The narrow window also tells you how much they value the input.
 
TBH, i have no idea. I am not certain which way I even lean on it and my kid is a late Q4 birthdate with the double-whammy of being a late developer. Yes, playing with the year youngers will provide some opportunity to stand out, but breaking up the team over it seems like a lot of change. Gelling with a new team and parents isn't always a smooth transition.

I do think Skye Eddy's take on the FIFA mandatory reporting is an interesting factor I never considered.
TBH I'm not sure how the FIFA reporting is a mess. All registration is done electronically, so rolling that info up to a parent org and then transmitting to FIFA (a required set of base info) seems pretty simple to me from a technology perspective!

The blog post is good though - https://www.soccerparenting.com/blog/school-year-age-grouping-us-soccer/
 
There's 4 scenarios that aren't addressed if the cutoff is Aug 1st.

1. A school or district who's cutoff is earlier than Aug 1st. There's several that are July 1st as an example. In this case a July birthday player would be forced to play up a grade in school.
If there really is a State law somewhere for a July 1 school cut-off, it is easily resolved by making the new cut off date July 1 instead of August 1. Logically, having 1 month of possible overlap is orders of magnitude better than 4 months of overlap. However, after reviewing many Department of Education websites, I was unable to find a single State that has a July 1 cutoff. There were a few private schools that have a July 1 cut-off. As private school enrollment is not compulsory, this scenario can not be considered a Trapped Player scenario, as the player has options to resolve the conflict if they so choose. Here is a site that is much easier to compare State cut-off dates than searching State by State through DoE: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/age-to-start-kindergarten-by-state
2. A school or districts cutoff date is Sept 1st. In this case an August birthday would be a year up in school but able to play a year down in club soccer. Most players in this situation would choose to play up with their grade in school in club.
As you already described, a player in this scenario has an option to resolve the offset or accept it. This is not a Trapped Player scenario.
3. Deliberately held back players. Parents hold their kid back for a variety of reasons. They then want everyone else to accommodate their decision allowing a kid that's a year older than their classmates to participate in things like sports.
As you point out, this scenario is a deliberate decision. This is not a Trapped Player scenario. The player will not be allowed to play down, just like current rules.
4. Homeschoolers. These parents like to choose whichever group and level their kid associates with.
Again, you start by pointing out this is an optional scenario initiated by the parents; not a State Law mandating they must be homeschooled. In no way will the change to an Aug 1 cut-off date somehow create a loophole where homeschoolers can choose to play older kids into younger year groups. Aug 01-July 31 is still a 365 day range; the change is not going to be based on Grade Year, it will be aligned with Grade Year. This is not a Trapped Player scenario.
The ones that cause issues are #3 and #4. Both groups aren't accustomed to following rules. #3 is difficult because many private schools encourage parents to hold back their kids. Parents with money and power don't like not being able to participate in club soccer the way they want to.
None of your examples are Trapped Player scenarios. In order to be a Trapped Player scenario, there must be Laws, Rules, and Regulations that prevent a player from resolving a mismatch between their Grade Year (their legal and accurate grade in school), and the Year Group in their sport.
 
If there really is a State law somewhere for a July 1 school cut-off, it is easily resolved by making the new cut off date July 1 instead of August 1. Logically, having 1 month of possible overlap is orders of magnitude better than 4 months of overlap. However, after reviewing many Department of Education websites, I was unable to find a single State that has a July 1 cutoff. There were a few private schools that have a July 1 cut-off. As private school enrollment is not compulsory, this scenario can not be considered a Trapped Player scenario, as the player has options to resolve the conflict if they so choose. Here is a site that is much easier to compare State cut-off dates than searching State by State through DoE: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/age-to-start-kindergarten-by-state

As you already described, a player in this scenario has an option to resolve the offset or accept it. This is not a Trapped Player scenario.

As you point out, this scenario is a deliberate decision. This is not a Trapped Player scenario. The player will not be allowed to play down, just like current rules.

Again, you start by pointing out this is an optional scenario initiated by the parents; not a State Law mandating they must be homeschooled. In no way will the change to an Aug 1 cut-off date somehow create a loophole where homeschoolers can choose to play older kids into younger year groups. Aug 01-July 31 is still a 365 day range; the change is not going to be based on Grade Year, it will be aligned with Grade Year. This is not a Trapped Player scenario.

None of your examples are Trapped Player scenarios. In order to be a Trapped Player scenario, there must be Laws, Rules, and Regulations that prevent a player from resolving a mismatch between their Grade Year (their legal and accurate grade in school), and the Year Group in their sport.

I heard the rumor that it will be a 9/1 cutoff. So ECNL might give 8/1 cutoff players a waiver to play down. This will solve most regular trap players because of the different public school cutoff dates.
 
I heard the rumor that it will be a 9/1 cutoff. So ECNL might give 8/1 cutoff players a waiver to play down. This will solve most regular trap players because of the different public school cutoff dates.
9/1 would be worse given august birthdays that decide to start school later. We also had evidence of a functioning system using aug 1 and the point was to revert back if this proceeds.
 
9/1 would be worse given august birthdays that decide to start school later.
Any date chosen advantages some and disadvantages others - there is no choice available where it doesn't happen. Accommodating those few that were allowed to start school later (assuming they should have started the year earlier, and are now up to 1 month older than the cutoff for that state) seems like a strange population to advantage.

Basketball has cutoff dates all over the place, from Aug 1 to Aug 15 to Sep 1, and probably more, depending on the tournament, circuit, and state. It is not trivial for someone with an Aug birthday to find out if they are eligible for a specific team for a specific event.
 
Any date chosen advantages some and disadvantages others - there is no choice available where it doesn't happen. Accommodating those few that were allowed to start school later (assuming they should have started the year earlier, and are now up to 1 month older than the cutoff for that state) seems like a strange population to advantage.

Basketball has cutoff dates all over the place, from Aug 1 to Aug 15 to Sep 1, and probably more, depending on the tournament, circuit, and state. It is not trivial for someone with an Aug birthday to find out if they are eligible for a specific team for a specific event.
If the change is about keeping kids with their classmates to increase engagement at the young ages using Aug 1 makes the most sense. Aug 1 gives those full month of kids the choice. Sept 1 removes the choice from them. Also a lot of the data about how this change was bad was computed off the baseline of what existed before BY (e.g Aug 1 cut off). No need to over complicate this. It has gotten infinitely more complex with the recent rumors of SoCal delaying 1 year, big clubs ignoring and playing up in SoCal, etc, etc. Might as well keep it BY at this point.
 
If the change is about keeping kids with their classmates to increase engagement at the young ages using Aug 1 makes the most sense. Aug 1 gives those full month of kids the choice. Sept 1 removes the choice from them. Also a lot of the data about how this change was bad was computed off the baseline of what existed before BY (e.g Aug 1 cut off). No need to over complicate this. It has gotten infinitely more complex with the recent rumors of SoCal delaying 1 year, big clubs ignoring and playing up in SoCal, etc, etc. Might as well keep it BY at this point.
It's funny how people are starting to back into BY not being that bad.

As I've said from the beginning BY works across the board for everyone involved. Unfortunately there's just no way to make everyone happy. There will always be edge cases.

With BY many edge cases are addressed because school grade or cutoff month doesn't come into play.
 
Is the overall Decision and Announcement on BY vs SY getting done at this month (November)? If so, who and which organization(s) would be the gatekeeper(s) to let the US soccer community know on this?
 
Well, here is my perspective of dealing with Trapped Player issues for seven years. People keep asking about what issues Trapped Players face that other players do not. The Trapped Player issues have nothing to do with someone being in the "older" or "younger" group on a team. It is about being on a team that is out of sync with the players current life priorities, and the impossibility of resolving it due to an overlap of State Law, NCAA Regulation, and U.S. Soccer/Club Soccer Rules.

As we approach the seventh anniversary of U.S. Soccer’s decision to switch to a Calendar-Year Registration Cut-Off Date, a solution for the resulting Trapped Players dilemmas it created has still not been implemented. The only attempt I am aware of to rectify some problems is the ECNL’s Trapped Player Exemption. These rule exemptions only apply a minority of players in the U.S. and can only be utilized during very limited circumstances. For the vast majority of players who are playing on Calendar-Year teams that are not aligned with their school grade level, this ECNL band-aid does nothing for their soccer development.

Regardless of a change to realign with Grade-Year or not, my player will be searching for a new team next season; the current team will be graduating and off to college, while the 2007 Trapped Players, become 2008 players once again. So, at this point, the change will have no effect whatsoever on my players’ scenario. Either way, they will be looking for a new 2008 team at a time where they should be well established and stable. With all the other stressors of getting ready for the next step in their lives, finding a completely new soccer team should not be one of them. I am writing this to share our experience of a Trapped Player over the past seven years, so other can have some insight of my perspective and the issues it has caused.

Recalling back to when the Calendar-Year change occurred, I was a little disappointed because it broke up a great team and my player was upset because the Trapped Players were moved from a 2008 A team to a 2007 B team. These players ended the season as U9 and started the next season as U11; they essentially skipped an entire year of 7v7 and went straight to 9v9. Was it a big deal at the U9/U11 level? Of course not, it was irritating, but things worked out. But for those in older age groups, it was a bit more repressive. Losing a year of development at 9v9 and going straight into 11v11 was probably a difficult transition for those players. Skipping forward an entire year at 11v11, was likely a setback. Across the board every Trapped Player lost out on a year of development when they were forced up to a new team.

At the time, we were not concerned with the change because I thought that certainly by the time the 2007 Trapped Players got closer to High School and higher levels of play, the problems created by the change would have been solved or settled. It did not, and even now, still hasn’t been resolved.

In Middle School, another dilemma of Trapped Players arose. Trapped Players have no option to competitively play during four to five months of their U15 season. As the Fall League season came to an end, most of the U15 team was beginning their High School Soccer season. The Trapped Players, being a grade year behind the team, suddenly had no team to play games with or against. Practices with younger age groups were not very effective.

Many Club coaches do not have multiple consecutive age groups of teams; and very few Clubs have a central field location for all their teams. Often the teams are spread out geographically. For us, the result was that most of the time, the U15 Trapped Players (2007) were practicing with the U13 team (2009). I understand this is not a universal experience, it was ours. There is a significant difference in the intensity of play between a U15 and a U13 player.

Over a four-month period the players of the U15 teams have starkly different development environments. Those players in High School are averaging 2-3 games a week and 2-3 days of practice with U15-U19 Players. The Trapped Players are getting Zero games, and 2-3 practices with U13-U14 Players. Although I am grateful the Trapped Players found a way to train through this period, the results of the different training environments was clear at the conclusion of the High School season. The Trapped Players were significantly behind the curve of the High School players; this was also the time of year for Tryouts. Not a great place to be.

The Trapped Players U16 season is starting just as they are entering their Freshman Year. They are navigating the new High School world for the first time. The majority of the U16 Player are in their Sophomore Year. They are starting to look seriously at Colleges and Degrees, trying to figure out what path they want to take, actively reaching out to College Coaches at the schools they want to attend, and getting things lined up for the upcoming NCAA established date of June 15th. You see, they are looking forward to June 15th, because it will be the summer prior to their Junior year and College Coaches will officially start communicating with the U16 players. Recruiting is going into high gear, the Trapped Player Freshman are feeling like they are being rushed to make contacts, and they are still just starting to get a feel for what colleges and Degrees they are interested in. They are feeling stuck in a holding pattern; they have no idea what they want to do. Isn’t the NCAA date of June 15th prior to Junior year intended to prevent this very thing from happening so soon?

Cont. in next post.....
 
........Cont. from previous post

Going into the U17 Season many players are sending emails back and forth between College Coaches, getting some good interest in events, setting up visits and ID camps. The Trapped Players, still can’t communicate with College Coaches, they are feeling left behind and pressured to make decisions about College intentions at the same time. They are in a different place than the rest of the team but trying to be in sync with what is happening not only on the field, but in their developing social circle and events. SAT testing, AP testing, Boyfriends, Girlfriends, Dances, etc.. All happening with their Teams, but not necessarily with their Grade. It is a little odd, but not as difficult as previous seasons.

U19/U18 season is a crowded group. The older Trapped Players in their Senior Year are moving down into teams in their Grade Year. Some of them, don’t find teams. The issue now, is that the U19/U18 group encompasses players across a 16 month period. Yes, some youth players drop off during High School, but the competitive players, they are still very much in it. Now the Clubs have to decide, if they drop some players down a team, or go with heavily inflated rosters. Who do they move down? The new players on the team, who are also the legacy players at the Club? Or the younger players on the team who will get another round of this next season? Yes, it should be based on performance, but let’s not pretend players who have been with a Club for a decade don’t get some consideration.

Either way, some players who are great, just don’t get the playing time they need. Other players don’t like the new team dynamics, some are getting ready for College, some don’t finish the season. Many are committed to College, and don’t prioritize the Club team performance like they previously. It is the dynamics of the Senior Year of soccer. The problem is that for the Trapped Players, it is the Junior Year of Soccer; they are in the heat of the recruiting hustle, and a lot of the team Seniors are checking out or phoning it in on the field. For the Seniors, the process is over, and they are taking it easy before College starts ramping up. The younger Trapped Players are counting on the Seniors to put in work, but it doesn’t always work out. When the season ends, the Trapped Players get another round of the U19/U18 scenario. However, this time it is with a completely new team and they are Seniors now.

This unnecessary grade year and age group offset has a cumulative effect on Trapped Players. Each season they are faced with just a bit more stress and adversity than the rest of the team. They are at a disadvantage for College Recruitment opportunities during their U16, U17, U18 seasons. At U16 most college recruiters are going to be observing the Sophomores who are reaching out to them, the Trapped players are still getting their footing in their Freshman Year. At U17 College Coaches are communicating with Junior players, and the Trapped Player Sophomores are sending out emails into the abyss. At U18 the team is struggling to keep the momentum of the Seniors going, so the Trapped Juniors can show out at events. At U19 they are struggling to find a new team, and get integrated into a new roster, while enduring all the distraction of a Senior.

This is a significantly greater problem for players than the perceived age advantage problem of Relative Age Effect or a misalignment of the year cut-off with other countries that the Birth-year Registration Calendar decision was based upon. U.S. Soccer’s decision to create this misalignment does not seem to have taken into consideration that they do not have authority over the Governing Boards of High School or College Sports. We need to realign soccer birth-year and school grade-year; this can be accomplished by changing U.S. Soccer rules or through the policies of the Boards of Education in each state. As there are over 13,800 public school districts in the U.S., it seems obvious that the solution will not come from a consensus of the School Districts.

I have two questions for which I have not been able to find a logical answer. Maybe someone could answer them for me. If U.S. Soccer has been unable to find a resolution to an issue caused by the controversial Birth-year Calendar change, in seven-years’ time, does that indicate there is not a viable resolution for the conflict it created by misaligning school Grade-Year and a Calendar-Year registration? If the Calendar-Year registration “solution” creates a larger problem than it resolved, a new problem with apparently no solution, does that not justify a serious and immediate reconsideration of the change?

Expecting thousands, probably tens of thousands, of Trapped Players to accept the loss of an entire year of development prior to starting 11v11 play, nearly half a season during U15, an entire repeat of the bloated roster U18/U19 season, finding a new team during their second U18/U19 season, extra challenges and obstacles during College Recruiting processes, all for the purpose of avoiding some simple math calculations regarding a handful of International Players seems incognizant at this point. Keeping the Calendar-Year Cut-Off date, for the benefit of a very small amount of International Players at the cost of every Trapped Player in U.S. Soccer seems like a poor strategy for long term development. How can you justify such an immense disadvantage to every Trapped Player just to shift the cut-off date to the calendar year? U.S. Soccer needs to provide a logical and effective solution for each year of the Trapped Players obstacles or realign with Grade-year; seven years is long enough to find a resolution.
 
........Cont. from previous post

Going into the U17 Season many players are sending emails back and forth between College Coaches, getting some good interest in events, setting up visits and ID camps. The Trapped Players, still can’t communicate with College Coaches, they are feeling left behind and pressured to make decisions about College intentions at the same time. They are in a different place than the rest of the team but trying to be in sync with what is happening not only on the field, but in their developing social circle and events. SAT testing, AP testing, Boyfriends, Girlfriends, Dances, etc.. All happening with their Teams, but not necessarily with their Grade. It is a little odd, but not as difficult as previous seasons.

U19/U18 season is a crowded group. The older Trapped Players in their Senior Year are moving down into teams in their Grade Year. Some of them, don’t find teams. The issue now, is that the U19/U18 group encompasses players across a 16 month period. Yes, some youth players drop off during High School, but the competitive players, they are still very much in it. Now the Clubs have to decide, if they drop some players down a team, or go with heavily inflated rosters. Who do they move down? The new players on the team, who are also the legacy players at the Club? Or the younger players on the team who will get another round of this next season? Yes, it should be based on performance, but let’s not pretend players who have been with a Club for a decade don’t get some consideration.

Either way, some players who are great, just don’t get the playing time they need. Other players don’t like the new team dynamics, some are getting ready for College, some don’t finish the season. Many are committed to College, and don’t prioritize the Club team performance like they previously. It is the dynamics of the Senior Year of soccer. The problem is that for the Trapped Players, it is the Junior Year of Soccer; they are in the heat of the recruiting hustle, and a lot of the team Seniors are checking out or phoning it in on the field. For the Seniors, the process is over, and they are taking it easy before College starts ramping up. The younger Trapped Players are counting on the Seniors to put in work, but it doesn’t always work out. When the season ends, the Trapped Players get another round of the U19/U18 scenario. However, this time it is with a completely new team and they are Seniors now.

This unnecessary grade year and age group offset has a cumulative effect on Trapped Players. Each season they are faced with just a bit more stress and adversity than the rest of the team. They are at a disadvantage for College Recruitment opportunities during their U16, U17, U18 seasons. At U16 most college recruiters are going to be observing the Sophomores who are reaching out to them, the Trapped players are still getting their footing in their Freshman Year. At U17 College Coaches are communicating with Junior players, and the Trapped Player Sophomores are sending out emails into the abyss. At U18 the team is struggling to keep the momentum of the Seniors going, so the Trapped Juniors can show out at events. At U19 they are struggling to find a new team, and get integrated into a new roster, while enduring all the distraction of a Senior.

This is a significantly greater problem for players than the perceived age advantage problem of Relative Age Effect or a misalignment of the year cut-off with other countries that the Birth-year Registration Calendar decision was based upon. U.S. Soccer’s decision to create this misalignment does not seem to have taken into consideration that they do not have authority over the Governing Boards of High School or College Sports. We need to realign soccer birth-year and school grade-year; this can be accomplished by changing U.S. Soccer rules or through the policies of the Boards of Education in each state. As there are over 13,800 public school districts in the U.S., it seems obvious that the solution will not come from a consensus of the School Districts.

I have two questions for which I have not been able to find a logical answer. Maybe someone could answer them for me. If U.S. Soccer has been unable to find a resolution to an issue caused by the controversial Birth-year Calendar change, in seven-years’ time, does that indicate there is not a viable resolution for the conflict it created by misaligning school Grade-Year and a Calendar-Year registration? If the Calendar-Year registration “solution” creates a larger problem than it resolved, a new problem with apparently no solution, does that not justify a serious and immediate reconsideration of the change?

Expecting thousands, probably tens of thousands, of Trapped Players to accept the loss of an entire year of development prior to starting 11v11 play, nearly half a season during U15, an entire repeat of the bloated roster U18/U19 season, finding a new team during their second U18/U19 season, extra challenges and obstacles during College Recruiting processes, all for the purpose of avoiding some simple math calculations regarding a handful of International Players seems incognizant at this point. Keeping the Calendar-Year Cut-Off date, for the benefit of a very small amount of International Players at the cost of every Trapped Player in U.S. Soccer seems like a poor strategy for long term development. How can you justify such an immense disadvantage to every Trapped Player just to shift the cut-off date to the calendar year? U.S. Soccer needs to provide a logical and effective solution for each year of the Trapped Players obstacles or realign with Grade-year; seven years is long enough to find a resolution.
That was a lot to read, but I too had a trapped 04 player. Skipped u12 and went from u11 to u13. Went from an A team and joined B team players who were born in Q1. For my trapped player, one of the biggest issues was the parents/players of the 05 age group below resenting her presence in the 8th and 12th trap. These 05 players felt established in their team but when my daughter joined their team during trap years, she took playtime and captains bands from the younger group. It was difficult socially when a better, more mature player takes playtime from those on an established team. Now we have a trapped 2012 that will likely be repeating the u13 ecnl year, so the opposite of her big sister. Thank goodness ECNL is fixing trapped player issues before we have to deal with it again.
 
That was a lot to read, but I too had a trapped 04 player. Skipped u12 and went from u11 to u13. Went from an A team and joined B team players who were born in Q1. For my trapped player, one of the biggest issues was the parents/players of the 05 age group below resenting her presence in the 8th and 12th trap. These 05 players felt established in their team but when my daughter joined their team during trap years, she took playtime and captains bands from the younger group. It was difficult socially when a better, more mature player takes playtime from those on an established team. Now we have a trapped 2012 that will likely be repeating the u13 ecnl year, so the opposite of her big sister. Thank goodness ECNL is fixing trapped player issues before we have to deal with it again.
Wow very powerful anecdotes. Thanks for sharing.
 
Being a trapped player is not without some advantages. While their older teammates are dealing with increasing school workload in the upper grade, trapped players have easier school load and more time to train.
 
Being a trapped player is not without some advantages. While their older teammates are dealing with increasing school workload in the upper grade, trapped players have easier school load and more time to train.
When is this exactly? When they are in 8th, the 9th graders are playing HS while they are practicing with youngers. When they are in 9th grade it depends on what their coursework is, i.e. 9th graders sit in classes with 10-12th graders, they do H and AP courses etc. and so on through HS.
 
Every single grade. Trapped players have easier school load.
So a HS Freshman doing honors and AP courses has an easier school load than a Sophomore doing no honors or AP courses ... what are you talking about? The school load in HS depends on the classes selected, not the grade you are in, with kids in 9-12 grades literally being in the same classes for many subjects.
 
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