Get ready folks

There is no such thing as "real numbers"
And that's why people so easily believe whatever they want to be true, no matter what their beliefs happen to be. Of course there are real numbers, by definition. The fact that most don't understand them, want to understand them, or even would be capable of understanding them, doesn't negate their reality.
 
And that's why people so easily believe whatever they want to be true, no matter what their beliefs happen to be. Of course there are real numbers, by definition. The fact that most don't understand them, want to understand them, or even would be capable of understanding them, doesn't negate their reality.
If you feel this way check out the link I provided it has (TAX FREE) numbers for what was provided to individual colleges from different media outlets. The average looked like between 37 and 59 million per year.

And again scholarships are free for colleges to provide.

That's a lot of $$$ for a bunch of sports that all share the same field for games.
 
There's colleges that have so much money in investments (tax free) that they don't even need to charge tuition. (But the still do)

Colleges just need to provide facilities, a coach, scholorships to players, and people will continue to flock to the programs.
Just interest on those investments could pay everyones tuition. Its a racket.
 
So we should change the month cutoff for everyone because of an isolated 3 month issue that occurs for half the kids once in their soccer life? That's why I say the "trapped" player issue is grossly exaggerated. Their may be other reasons to change, but "trapped" players is not it.
Its more beneficial to more players to change than not to change - that alone should be a reason to change.
Don’t worry - the problem jr/sr year resolves itself. By spring, the giant team is scrounging up players just to have enough to play in games because so many of them have quit or stopped coming regularly.
Yes, seniors who no longer care versus juniors who definitely do, i.e. trapped players get screwed again which is the point surely.
There's colleges that have so much money in investments (tax free) that they don't even need to charge tuition. (But the still do)

Colleges just need to provide facilities, a coach, scholorships to players, and people will continue to flock to the programs.
Why would colleges spend all their endowments on money losing sports ... they won't and shouldn't. If they want to splurge the cash it should be to provide a free education to people who deserve it, not kids whose parents have spent 10s of thousands on travel soccer ... FFS
 
Ok, do you agree that both public and private colleges are tax exempt?

I don't even agree that youth soccer clubs should be tax exempt ... and don't get me started on other tax exempt entities - biggest crock of crap Congress ever came up with. If your CEO is getting paid big bucks or employees are getting paid in the million$, then F NO, you are not tax exempt and you are not a NON PROFIT for everyone.
 
What's Harvard at now, $18B or more ....
That sounded low, so I checked...$53 billion. Even some publics have crazy endowments. Michigan is $19b. My daughter was accepted there and it would have cost $75k a year, including on campus room and board and that was 3 years ago. OOS tuition is now $55k. That's obscene. 5% on $19b is $950m a year, just saying.
 
I don't even agree that youth soccer clubs should be tax exempt ... and don't get me started on other tax exempt entities - biggest crock of crap Congress ever came up with. If your CEO is getting paid big bucks or employees are getting paid in the million$, then F NO, you are not tax exempt and you are not a NON PROFIT for everyone.
No question there are abuses, but that's a problem of enforcement by our government, not an inherent structural issue with tax exempt companies. The CEO's and employees are not tax exempt, so they still pay taxes. Colleges are different because they're hoarding cash and still charging exorbitant tuition while financing that tuition with government lending programs (and then our government promotes the grift by forgiving student loans.) The colleges exploit government backed student loans to build these insane endowments which impacts all taxpayers.

I serve on the board of a tax exempt, non-profit. Our CEO makes a decent living, but he has a lot of responsibilities. If we had to pay taxes we would serve far fewer underprivileged kids. Don't punish the good because of the bad. Unfortunately, the worse cases of abuse, like BLM, capture the headlines and mislead the public as to the extent of tax exempt abuse.
 
If you feel this way check out the link I provided it has (TAX FREE) numbers for what was provided to individual colleges from different media outlets. The average looked like between 37 and 59 million per year.
For a small handful of schools in the biggest and richest athletic conferences.
And again scholarships are free for colleges to provide.
That's an interesting take.
Just interest on those investments could pay everyones tuition. Its a racket.
For a very, very small handful of schools. For virtually everybody else, it's not the case. Look at the larger numbers. US News & World Reports lists 379 nationally-ranked universities. Average endowment 1.6B. Average # of undergrad students is 6.5K. Say grad is 2K. Take 1.6B / 8.5K, and it's $188K per student. Forget about interest - if they used the entire endowment to pay tuition, which wouldn't be off-base if you take $188K/4 years, all endowments would be completely gone in 4 years.

You can't point to the outliers at the top and say why can't it be the same for everybody. The world doesn't work like that. Harvard has 5 times the endowment of the school 10 spots down in the list. Deal with it.

That sounded low, so I checked...$53 billion. Even some publics have crazy endowments. Michigan is $19b. My daughter was accepted there and it would have cost $75k a year, including on campus room and board and that was 3 years ago. OOS tuition is now $55k. That's obscene. 5% on $19b is $950m a year, just saying.
Michigan is #3 on the list for endowments for public schools. It's massive. It's also 4 times the school that is #10 on the list. Could Michigan use more of the endowment to make up for lowering tuition? Of course. But what they can do, and what most schools can do, are very different.
 
For a very, very small handful of schools. For virtually everybody else, it's not the case. Look at the larger numbers. US News & World Reports lists 379 nationally-ranked universities. Average endowment 1.6B. Average # of undergrad students is 6.5K. Say grad is 2K. Take 1.6B / 8.5K, and it's $188K per student. Forget about interest - if they used the entire endowment to pay tuition, which wouldn't be off-base if you take $188K/4 years, all endowments would be completely gone in 4 years.
There are 132 universities with endowments over $1 billion. These colleges are the ultimate in government grifters. Those that have excessive endowments should have to put a certain amount into reducing tuition or pay a "luxury tax" (and/or have a restriction on government funding). Why should taxpayers have to fund tuition, research, etc of a university with a multi-billion dollar endowment.
 
Unfortunately this discussion is drifting into politics which I have no interest in. All I wanted to call out is there's A LOT more money that colleges can spend on sports if they wanted to. Some can argue that spending on sports will make colleges go broke. I don't think that will ever be the case because if $$$ ever went down they'd just lobby government for funds to replace what was missing.

JUCO's and small private schools might have a hard time fielding teams but it will never be an issue for big public and elite private colleges.

@RandomSoccerFan The reason scholorships are free for colleges is because it doesnt cost anything more to add student 31 to a class od 30. Room and board is different but if players are living in the the dorms on campus the houseing has already bern paid for by previous students. The only real cost for colleges is paying players.
 
Unfortunately this discussion is drifting into politics which I have no interest in. All I wanted to call out is there's A LOT more money that colleges can spend on sports if they wanted to. Some can argue that spending on sports will make colleges go broke. I don't think that will ever be the case because if $$$ ever went down they'd just lobby government for funds to replace what was missing.
No, it is drifting into pointing out that people have widely incorrect assumptions - and learning things that counter one's own beliefs is challenging for most.
@RandomSoccerFan The reason scholorships are free for colleges is because it doesnt cost anything more to add student 31 to a class od 30. Room and board is different but if players are living in the the dorms on campus the houseing has already bern paid for by previous students. The only real cost for colleges is paying players.
Ah. So by that logic a stadium that is half-full should give out free tickets for the remaining half of seats. Or a movie theatre.
 
@RandomSoccerFan The reason scholorships are free for colleges is because it doesnt cost anything more to add student 31 to a class od 30. Room and board is different but if players are living in the the dorms on campus the houseing has already bern paid for by previous students. The only real cost for colleges is paying players.
That's weird logic. The real cost (i.e. opportunity cost) is the amount that spot could have been sold for, and the amount the room & board could have been sold for. By extension, the real cost is how much extra students are paying to cover any and all scholarships (sports & academic), because someone is obviously paying. You can offset the cost versus the revenue the sport brings in, but the revenue sports such as soccer brings in is a net loss in probably every college. So if colleges can self fund sports from sports revenues, then it makes sense. If they can't then they are paying for sports out of funds that could be used for education, i.e. their core purpose.
 
That's weird logic. The real cost (i.e. opportunity cost) is the amount that spot could have been sold for, and the amount the room & board could have been sold for. By extension, the real cost is how much extra students are paying to cover any and all scholarships (sports & academic), because someone is obviously paying. You can offset the cost versus the revenue the sport brings in, but the revenue sports such as soccer brings in is a net loss in probably every college. So if colleges can self fund sports from sports revenues, then it makes sense. If they can't then they are paying for sports out of funds that could be used for education, i.e. their core purpose.
This is why I said that colleges can prioritize sports if they choose to.

If colleges feel there's value in sports then it's an opportunity cost decision on the scholorships provided. For a college once they pay a professor the number of students that attend their class and how much they pay for the credits are how colleges make money from tuition.

Once they've covered their costs (the professors salary) all headcount above is profit. This is where the opportunity cost comes in. A college might see value (marketing, student health, etc) in letting student athletes attend the class for free (ie a scholorship)

Dorm housing is the same way. Once the buildings cost has been covered by students living it in over the years there's an opportunity cost decision to make if letting student athletes live there for free has value.
 
Ah. So by that logic a stadium that is half-full should give out free tickets for the remaining half of seats. Or a movie theatre.
You mean like the Padres do on Miltary night? Or any other pro team does to get groups of people in the gate that might help the sport/club in some way shape or fashion?

Sure you can alway maximize profits but sometimes it makes sense to do things that boost profits in different ways.
 
Its more beneficial to more players to change than not to change - that alone should be a reason to change.

Yes, seniors who no longer care versus juniors who definitely do, i.e. trapped players get screwed again which is the point surely.

Why would colleges spend all their endowments on money losing sports ... they won't and shouldn't. If they want to splurge the cash it should be to provide a free education to people who deserve it, not kids whose parents have spent 10s of thousands on travel soccer ... FFS
So parents that worked and made good decisions with money don't deserve scholarships?

Who deserves a free education?
 
There are 132 universities with endowments over $1 billion. These colleges are the ultimate in government grifters. Those that have excessive endowments should have to put a certain amount into reducing tuition or pay a "luxury tax" (and/or have a restriction on government funding). Why should taxpayers have to fund tuition, research, etc of a university with a multi-billion dollar endowment.
Speaking of grifters... how can you not love a politician that makes $400k a year to teach part time and then supports eliminating college student loan debt by dumping it on the rest of us?

What a country!
 
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