Game fixing

LA Galaxy SD - GK Dad said:
The USYS reps at the field were OK with it and told the coaches they didn't need to change the manner in which the game was being played. If you have an issue with that, funnel your angst at the USYS, not the Carlsbad team that did nothing wrong and rightfully earned their place in the semi finals while denying nobody anything.

Yes, the story that came out afterwards was embarrassing to the rest of the USYS board that was not present at the game, so they responded to the media attention as they did. Their finding of no collusion is the key. Their final statement that they will look into rule changes to prevent this from happening will be interesting to see and even more interesting to see how it's enforced and when. A "perceived effort" rule will present all kinds of challenges, don't you think?

Regardless of appearances, Carlsbad did nothing wrong here and rightfully moved on to the semi finals.
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You are missing the point. Again.

Both teams conspired to take an opportunity to advance away from another team by failing to play the game. If that isn't match fixing, I don't know what is.

You think it's fine and no big deal. Great. I disagree, and I would have pulled my kid from the team after the game.
 
Truth said:
I don't understand your question.
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You don't like what happened. So if you were the person in charge of USAYS what would you do?
Fine, kick coaches out, DQ both teams after the fact? It is obvious you don't like it. What should be done?

And justify it on other than the coach is scum. What would be the grounds you would present to USAYS?

I hope you believe by now there was not any law violation there. So your grounds would have to be under other than some law or rule breaking.
What would it be?
 
Truth said:
You are missing the point. Again.

Both teams conspired to take an opportunity to advance away from another team by failing to play the game. If that isn't match fixing, I don't know what is.

You think it's fine and no big deal. Great. I disagree, and I would have pulled my kid from the team after the game.
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Wow, you don't get it. YOU are missing the point. Conspiracy means they planned it out and agreed to do it together = FALSE. I have heard what their instructions were before the game and at halftime.

You say an opportunity for another team to advance was taken away = FALSE. Just because there is still a mathematical chance does not mean it's really a chance. 4 goals. FOUR! Carlsbad had to win by FOUR for the other team to go.

I have nothing more to say to you if you're still hung up on these most fundamental untruths. Good luck to you and your player in ECNL. Oh, pretty classy quote from one of your earlier posts: "People still call it a "National Championship" when all the top teams are in ECNL?" You're pretty transparent with that huge ECNL banner. And you talk about respect when you spew that kind of disrespect? You'd fit right in with SDA if you move to Syracuse, screaming about disrespecting the game while swearing at kids.
 
The worst sideline soccer parent I have ever seen was the parent of a Syracuse goal keeper. We were playing against them in the 2013 National League in NC. He was literally cussing at his daughter from the sideline, saying things like "God Dammit!, get your body behind the ball!" and "What the hell!". She was visibly stressed. It was all I could do to not tell him to STFU and I still wonder if I should have done something. Is it something in the water?
 
Truth said:
People still call it a "National Championship" when all the top teams are in ECNL?
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I got that too when DD made it to the finals in G19 and held a clean sheet through the full 90. There was not a G19 ECNL team in the Nation that could come close to beating them, or even making it to the finals.

The memories. Skip the beginning ND part as there was nothing there those games except warm up shots. Nationals starts at 1:01. Our forward Cody #13 also scored the winning goal for the UCLA College Cup 5 months later. Cody had never been on an ECNL team.
 
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Zoro said:
I don't even know who he is. I've officiated and seen combined over 1,000 games I see stuff like this and find it interesting. And I was surprised by the accusations of a sports media reporter. There may have been an act that was wrong, I just didn't see evidence for it. Certainly not from a laws of the game perspective.

I'm pretty sure every team playing olders at Nationals has some forward that knows how to sell a call, and get some refs to make a call that they would not otherwise have made. And everyone on that team benefits. So those against it, just should not play at that level. For me - I see soccer as a competition. Competitors are supposed to win. If they can win not breaking rules, not hurting someone physically or mentally - they should be creative. I do not see the value in bringing arguments into the game that make touching a ball with a hand, or not kicking it somehow a reflection of character. Kids play by the laws - the referee decides. And the rules - the tournament people decide. And win - not at all costs. At the cost of training more, getting on a better team and being smart about it. If you live in SoCal you have choices - and it may cost time and money where you drive.

Likely for another thread... I don't think my win attitude is an issue at all. It is in fact the point of sport. Once you win you get to keep playing someone better until you loose. That is how it goes.
What I think is wrong with soccer is not a win at all cost attitude. I think it is sports in college and the drive to chase a sport for money/college. I'm an advocate of taking advantage of it because it is there, but that drives this huge club industry/lottery.
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LA Galaxy SD - GK Dad said:
Wow, you don't get it. YOU are missing the point. Conspiracy means they planned it out and agreed to do it together = FALSE. I have heard what their instructions were before the game and at halftime.

You say an opportunity for another team to advance was taken away = FALSE. Just because there is still a mathematical chance does not mean it's really a chance. 4 goals. FOUR! Carlsbad had to win by FOUR for the other team to go.

I have nothing more to say to you if you're still hung up on these most fundamental untruths. Good luck to you and your player in ECNL. Oh, pretty classy quote from one of your earlier posts: "People still call it a "National Championship" when all the top teams are in ECNL?" You're pretty transparent with that huge ECNL banner. And you talk about respect when you spew that kind of disrespect? You'd fit right in with SDA if you move to Syracuse, screaming about disrespecting the game while swearing at kids.
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You heard the instructions before the game and at halftime? I have been to hundreds of games and never heard the coaches instructions. Were you in the huddle with the girls? BS, these coaches don't let the parents hear anything; I know that first hand.
 
iliv said:
You heard the instructions before the game and at halftime? I have been to hundreds of games and never heard the coaches instructions. Were you in the huddle with the girls? BS, these coaches don't let the parents hear anything; I know that first hand.
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Why did you quote me?
 
iliv said:
You heard the instructions before the game and at halftime? I have been to hundreds of games and never heard the coaches instructions. Were you in the huddle with the girls? BS, these coaches don't let the parents hear anything; I know that first hand.
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No, from my daughter. Who was just a guest here, and very young, so certainly no reason to not tell me the truth. As a parent also trying to figure out how the game played out that way, I simply asked her.
 
I was not there so I do not know what really happened. The sad part about all of this is that now people who have heard this story and know nothing of LAGSD will have a negative view of all LAGSD teams and the club. There are some really good coaches and nice people at that club and a lot of players that work their tails off. It is a shame that it not only tarnished the accomplishments of the U18 team, but the U16 team had to put up with the abuse also.
 
outside! said:
The worst sideline soccer parent I have ever seen was the parent of a Syracuse goal keeper. We were playing against them in the 2013 National League in NC. He was literally cussing at his daughter from the sideline, saying things like "God Dammit!, get your body behind the ball!" and "What the hell!". She was visibly stressed. It was all I could do to not tell him to STFU and I still wonder if I should have done something. Is it something in the water?
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He is lucky I was not his referee. That type of language toward a player would not be tolerated on a field that I was the referee. I would have a talk with the coach and politely ask the coach to handle the spectator since the coach is responsible for his spectators. If the coach did not handle it I would remind him that I do not remove spectators but I do remove coaches. I used this at Albion Cup just a few weeks ago and the coach sent the parent about 100 yards away from the field. No youth player should be subjected to degrading comments especially by their own parent.
 
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Actually, they played as, and it is being reported as Carlsbad Elite, so the SDA people probably won't be able to figure it out. It is a good thing that they are changing to LAG San Diego next season. I wonder how many people will think the name change is a reaction to the situation...even though it was announced months ago.
 
Curious where the OP went. I normally get very involved in threads I start. But anyway...

I think we need to re-remember this was a top .1% (2/2000 - did I do that right?) team. This is not about how we teach out kids. If that is an issue please don't have them watch the pros. This is not a win at all costs view. This is a do no extra work view.
 
LA Galaxy SD - GK Dad said:
Wow, you don't get it. YOU are missing the point. Conspiracy means they planned it out and agreed to do it together = FALSE. I have heard what their instructions were before the game and at halftime.

You say an opportunity for another team to advance was taken away = FALSE. Just because there is still a mathematical chance does not mean it's really a chance. 4 goals. FOUR! Carlsbad had to win by FOUR for the other team to go.
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Without some sort of planning or instruction, kids would NEVER have played this way. I know this team, they are competitive and competent. They would never just STOP PLAYING unless instructed. You are again ignoring how bad the actual game film is. This little bit really doesn't do the farce justice: http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/sto...parently-fixed-a-match-at-a-tournament-072916. Were the instructions "go out and kick the ball around for awhile and then kick it to the other team until the game is over"? If not, then the players blatantly disobeyed the coach, who didn't move or say anything the whole game. No one believes that regardless of how many times you repeat it.

An opportunity was taken away. It's not false. It may have been unlikely, but entirely possible if LA Galaxy SD decided to actually try to play. Has that team never scored 4 goals in a match? Somehow, I think they have.

People expect these dirty tactics and little respect for the game from a 3rd division pro league but not at the youth level. And to have the clubs deny and deflect when there is damning video is just despicable.
 
Truth talking about respect again. Funny...again, here's one of his super respectful to the game quotes he posted earlier: "People still call it a "National Championship" when all the top teams are in ECNL?" Keep the respect rolling, Truth. One class act.
 
Truth said:
Without some sort of planning or instruction, kids would NEVER have played this way.....
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Maybe you skipped over my last post (they are the .1%) or maybe you underestimate the brains of 17/18 year old women.
They don't need a coach at the game. If they do - they are not the .1%.

After you asked for clarification on my question and I gave it - did you give me your response on what should be done and how you would justify it to, say USYSA?
 
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