ECNL vs. DA turf war has created a 'toxic environment'

I think that she both are amazing athletes that play soccer. I do think that they could be and should be better (for different reasons). My only opinion when it comes to US Soccer is this:

1. They shouldn't have splintered the leagues
2. They should support ODP or some version of it, meaning: Have a pool of players from each state association practice regularly (maybe one weekend a month or so) and then put together a regional team for the 4 regions and have them practice quarterly and from those pools of players pick a YNT.
3. They should put funds into NWSL and these state and regional pools.
4. Players that are willing to go all in on soccer are more than welcome to but they shouldn't MAKE kids do it. Many of our WNT were multisport athletes. That is becoming much more difficult.

I think that you can train for a sport from an early age but not go all in. That should be saved for high school or later. North Carolina's keeper this year is also on the basketball team there. I just think that US Soccer should be interested in the whole person not just what they can get out of them. Nobody is going to argue that it is better for a young athlete to crosstrain.

So yes Alex Morgan might have been a slightly better soccer player by being a specialist at 10 but she might not have had the drive required (one sport burnout is real). Even Kobe Bryant played soccer. Bo Jackson played everything and even Frank Thomas played football at Auburn.

Good luck to you and your player.

Nice post. Can't really say I disagree. Maybe we overemphasize the technical aspect of soccer. Some sports and some positions in those sports, don't require much more than great athleticism. The less technique they require, the longer you can wait. That said, I always presumed that you believed the US is losing ground because it is too reliant on athleticism.
 
Nice post. Can't really say I disagree. Maybe we overemphasize the technical aspect of soccer. Some sports and some positions in those sports, don't require much more than great athleticism. The less technique they require, the longer you can wait. That said, I always presumed that you believed the US is losing ground because it is too reliant on athleticism.

I think that we should spend more time on identifying the best when they are the best not when they are 12 or 14. We shouldn't designate people as something and then try to make it happen. We should invest the money into the grassroots identification and into our highest levels since, in my opinion, that is where the money can do the most good. We were solid if not outstanding technically. The real problem is tactics and personnel. Our superior athleticism has rescued us. I think that if we invest in the youth ranks and let the coaches be supported and rewarded for developing players that are technical and tactical on top of athletic, then we will reign supreme in WoSo for many years to come. We had a huge lead but we are still capable of maintaining it.
 
Sure. Hailey, Haylie, Hayley, and Emma.

As a matter of policy, I do not provide information that might allow the people who don't like me to beat the crap out of me. There are enough who already know where I live. But I don't need to provide examples, because what I say is true and everyone but you has the brain power to understand it.

Huh? I'm just looking for generic evidence that would suggest that these leagues facilitate actual educational opportunities that would not otherwise have been provided. I get the knocks on the DA system and the reality of national team crap. But the other side that is presented about education opportunities appears to be a lot of PR spin.
 
Those teams were 03/04. These two are good teams but they play in a very watered down developmental league.
Aren’t most leagues watered down now? But I don’t agree with the fact you’re discounting the strength of the Quakes ‘04 team.

I don’t think you’ve played them in over 2 years.
 
I would much rather get a report from a college coach telling us what our kids need to do to get a full ride. This report is a joke imo. Were the ones paying, unless of course your with a fully funded program :). The DA offers 25% guarantee starts and fully funded in some parts. Why walk from that when your club was not at "The Party" two years ago. Plus, the high school your kid goes to sucks so you don't give a flip. Every time I talk to a parent from the DA argument, they always say "HS Soccer sucks." I say, "where does your little sweet one go to HS?" "They go to so and so HS." I say, "oh." But if you could read my mind, "No wonder. Your HS sucks, really, it does."
Of your DD’s HS sucked for soccer, would you care as much?
 
Not sure the Q. She's going to Volleyball tryouts tmrw at a very tough school. She's been practicing her serving. Don't have time to juggle right now. Her HS is awesome :)
OK let me clarify. If your daughters high school wasn’t very good in soccer would you be as concerned about DEA not allowing high school play? Your point in your post was that most people that don’t care about high school is because their high school sucks in soccer so I wanted to ask a question if you were in that position would you care as much about it?

I know her high school is awesome.
 
OK let me clarify. If your daughters high school wasn’t very good in soccer would you be as concerned about DEA not allowing high school play? Your point in your post was that most people that don’t care about high school is because their high school sucks in soccer so I wanted to ask a question if you were in that position would you care as much about it?

I know her high school is awesome.
Gotcha. It wouldn't matter because she wants to be on the track team, surf team, ASB and volleyball team. DA schedule and requirements is the problem my friend :)
 
Aren’t most leagues watered down now?

We here in Socal have managed to let US Soccer (DA), DOC egos (ECNL), coaches who are not held accountable and convinced people results do not matter (SCDSL), and a bunch of lemming parents, dilute everything to the point that this whole conversation is part tragedy, part comedy, and mostly a farce.

People are analyzing the results of Surf Cup to determine league strength . . . are you kidding me? Surf Cup, while extraordinarily well-run, is not even of the caliber of a Slammers Invitational, West Coast Futbol Classic, or even decent Memorial Day tournament from only 10 years ago (before ECNL). And SilverLakes is just more of the same. Ten years ago, getting into and playing in Surf was something kids put on their athletic resume. This year, the brackets included AYSO teams.

Sorry to burst some bubbles, but people on this board are playing around in the dirt, in the shadow of the ruins of the Roman Colosseum, arguing over who has built a better sand castle.
 
We here in Socal have managed to let US Soccer (DA), DOC egos (ECNL), coaches who are not held accountable and convinced people results do not matter (SCDSL), and a bunch of lemming parents, dilute everything to the point that this whole conversation is part tragedy, part comedy, and mostly a farce.

People are analyzing the results of Surf Cup to determine league strength . . . are you kidding me? Surf Cup, while extraordinarily well-run, is not even of the caliber of a Slammers Invitational, West Coast Futbol Classic, or even decent Memorial Day tournament from only 10 years ago (before ECNL). And SilverLakes is just more of the same. Ten years ago, getting into and playing in Surf was something kids put on their athletic resume. This year, the brackets included AYSO teams.

Sorry to burst some bubbles, but people on this board are playing around in the dirt, in the shadow of the ruins of the Roman Colosseum, arguing over who has built a better sand castle.

Ooh, I really like that last sentence.
 
Sorry to burst some bubbles, but people on this board are playing around in the dirt, in the shadow of the ruins of the Roman Colosseum, arguing over who has built a better sand castle.

Now I now that we in NorCal can’t compete with the depth of athletic talent in SoCal but we can build some amazing sand castles. I think there’s some special humidity up here. Explains our sourdough, too.
 
We here in Socal have managed to let US Soccer (DA), DOC egos (ECNL), coaches who are not held accountable and convinced people results do not matter (SCDSL), and a bunch of lemming parents, dilute everything to the point that this whole conversation is part tragedy, part comedy, and mostly a farce.

People are analyzing the results of Surf Cup to determine league strength . . . are you kidding me? Surf Cup, while extraordinarily well-run, is not even of the caliber of a Slammers Invitational, West Coast Futbol Classic, or even decent Memorial Day tournament from only 10 years ago (before ECNL). And SilverLakes is just more of the same. Ten years ago, getting into and playing in Surf was something kids put on their athletic resume. This year, the brackets included AYSO teams.

Sorry to burst some bubbles, but people on this board are playing around in the dirt, in the shadow of the ruins of the Roman Colosseum, arguing over who has built a better sand castle.

As usual your succinct eloquence shines through. When my daughter first got into club soccer all she wanted was to be good enough to get to play in Surf Cup. The level of play was phenomenal.

I remember the old conversations about which teams (other than Surf White and Surf Blue) got into Surf Cup. I remember that the only other guarantee that you were going to get invited was to make the semifinals of National Cup! My daughter was so happy when her team made the semifinals her U13 season and all that she cared about was that she would finally get to play in Surf Cup (I had been dragging her there the previous 3 years just to see what the level of competition was).

These rookie parents have no idea what the golden age of soccer here in SoCal looked like....
 
You think she would have forgone playing HS if ECNL had set up like DA and said No HS?

No. I tried to convince her not to play and it worked for the first month of her junior year. Some kids have a clear set of priorities and my daughter is still really close to a lot of her friends from high school even though almost none are still playing. They come to watch her play though and they visit her often. The reason that she isn’t home right now is that she is hanging out with her friends before she heads back to school on Saturday.
 
No. I tried to convince her not to play and it worked for the first month of her junior year. Some kids have a clear set of priorities and my daughter is still really close to a lot of her friends from high school even though almost none are still playing. They come to watch her play though and they visit her often. The reason that she isn’t home right now is that she is hanging out with her friends before she heads back to school on Saturday.
Thanks for the insight!
 
As usual your succinct eloquence shines through. When my daughter first got into club soccer all she wanted was to be good enough to get to play in Surf Cup. The level of play was phenomenal.

I remember the old conversations about which teams (other than Surf White and Surf Blue) got into Surf Cup. I remember that the only other guarantee that you were going to get invited was to make the semifinals of National Cup! My daughter was so happy when her team made the semifinals her U13 season and all that she cared about was that she would finally get to play in Surf Cup (I had been dragging her there the previous 3 years just to see what the level of competition was).

These rookie parents have no idea what the golden age of soccer here in SoCal looked like....
My dd team was probably the last true "Best of the Best" winner at Surf Cup. I think 2016 Blues team. Our lovely friends at US Soccer decided to change the age group and $urf Cup $ports was started and here we are.
 
Gotcha. It wouldn't matter because she wants to be on the track team, surf team, ASB and volleyball team. DA schedule and requirements is the problem my friend :)
I’m confused. What exactly were you upset about DA. Because I thought your daughter played ECNL.
 
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