ECNL vs. DA turf war has created a 'toxic environment'

The Outlaw said:
Perhaps a fake rapper, a rapper and a former drug dealer are not the best "Swag" for the young black male in greater Oakland. Image is everything but it shouldn't be. What image should be is someone that worked hard and became successful without shortcuts. Kobe endorsed soccer... to a degree. LeBron is a fake fan frontrunner (Liverpool). I laugh when I hear about Nipsey Hussle. Fucking guy drives into the hood wearing 5 gold chains, driving a $150k Benz and says, "don't do what I did." LMAO! The image should be "look at what you can accomplish with a pair of cleats, some hard work and your natural talent". When are rappers and/or ex-convicts that are now wealthy going to no longer be the heroes?
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You are stereotyping. My hood is diverse and people have varied interest like all other communities.
Take me for example, I’m a NERD and I’m respected. I even have a nickname: The Computer that Wears Tennis Shoes or Computer/Google for short.
When I was around 6 years old a lawyer came by my grandma’s house in a Rolls Royce to visit my uncle. He let me sit in his car and briefly talked to me about education and community. I made up my mind that day that I was gonna be a lawyer come hell or high water.

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Kicker4Life said:
See soccer in the US is in its cultural infancy. As we see teams like Atlanta United and LAFC market to an urban culture we will start to see a more diverse community adopt the sport. That is the only way it will grow.
Everywhere else in the world, soccer is a major part of the culture....every economic aspect of it.
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Bingo. That’s what soccer is about for my family. I want to integrate my community into soccer because I see it as another way the youth could acquire wealth that is currently being under utilized.
 
Fact Friday​

Fact 1- Map is back
Fact 2- Map tells it like it is which is usually the truth, because when he speaks it hurts some but that's what the truth does. It hurts!
Fact 3- Vanilla is the flavor of choice for SoCal Soccer
Fact 4- The Toxic Turf War of 2016 has caused damage to everyone
Fact 5- USSF owes us all an apology and a refund for misleading us to think it was for all kids, poor & rich a like, black and white and all in between
Fact 6- Macdre makes valid points and I like him.
Fact 7- Lester (Outlaw) is whacked but I feel sorry for him and want to try and help him see the light somehow. Law of two, sad!!!
Fact 8- The G D A League that was forced down our throats is coming to...................
Fact 9- More Big, Big changes are coming :)
Fact 10- The WNT and all the woman will settle their lawsuits with the men


 
MacDre said:
You are stereotyping. My hood is diverse and people have varied interest like all other communities.
Take me for example, I’m a NERD and I’m respected. I even have a nickname: The Computer that Wears Tennis Shoes or Computer/Google for short.
When I was around 6 years old a lawyer came by my grandma’s house in a Rolls Royce to visit my uncle. He let me sit in his car and briefly talked to me about education and community. I made up my mind that day that I was gonna be a lawyer come hell or high water.

Willie Gary - Willie Gary

Gary, Williams, Parenti, Watson & Gary, PLLC - Willie Gary
williegary.com williegary.com
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I'm not stereotyping... I addressed the 3 examples YOU offered up. You aren't wrong, but neither am I. Your point is that young black men need an inspirational figure to model and, unfortunately, too many are still inspired by rap and hip hop "artists". If they were to watch the PAC12 or BIG10 Network, they'd see top universities and soccer programs are well represented by African Americans, Hispanics, etc. But that's not a shortcut, is it?
 
MacDre said:
Bingo. That’s what soccer is about for my family. I want to integrate my community into soccer because I see it as another way the youth could acquire wealth that is currently being under utilized.
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What's your definition of "wealth" in this context, Dre? Certainly not financial. There's wealth to be had in knowledge, possibly using soccer as a means to become better educated (especially academically) but many players in today's MLS are still living with roommates because the salaries are not yet there. It will be one day. Soccer will make it here, this time, because they incorporated Europe/South America at the beginning instead of the end... which is what the old NASL and MISL did. If Garber doesn't over expand... it's finally here to stay.
 
The Outlaw said:
I'm not stereotyping... I addressed the 3 examples YOU offered up. You aren't wrong, but neither am I. Your point is that young black men need an inspirational figure to model and, unfortunately, too many are still inspired by rap and hip hop "artists". If they were to watch the PAC12 or BIG10 Network, they'd see top universities and soccer programs are well represented by African Americans, Hispanics, etc. But that's not a shortcut, is it?
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The only college athlete I can recall influencing popular culture was Christian Laettner but his influence was limited to the communities that pay to play soccer proliferate in. My community saw Laettner as being another “great white hope,” which turned out to be true. And, it’s not only the rappers...it’s also the fact that USSF has failed to inform blacks in the USA that many of the best soccer players past and present share their ethnicity.

Everyone doesn’t want to be a rapper. The problem is that entertainment is the primary area blacks are promoted.

If you knew African history, you’d know that the Moors civilized Europe. You’d know Imhotep was the father or medicine and not Hippocrates. The problem is we have a education system that teaches “white lies” to empower white kids. I let my kid learn the bullshit they teach her in school, then we travel and I show her the truth.
 
The Outlaw said:
What's your definition of "wealth" in this context, Dre? Certainly not financial. There's wealth to be had in knowledge, possibly using soccer as a means to become better educated (especially academically) but many players in today's MLS are still living with roommates because the salaries are not yet there. It will be one day. Soccer will make it here, this time, because they incorporated Europe/South America at the beginning instead of the end... which is what the old NASL and MISL did. If Garber doesn't over expand... it's finally here to stay.
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I was speaking more to playing in Europe and on a International level similar to the Brazilians whom are Portuguese speaking African-Americans.
 
MacDre said:
The only college athlete I can recall influencing popular culture was Christian Laettner but his influence was limited to the communities that pay to play soccer proliferate in. My community saw Laettner as being another “great white hope,” which turned out to be true. And, it’s not only the rappers...it’s also the fact that USSF has failed to inform blacks in the USA that many of the best soccer players past and present share their ethnicity.

Everyone doesn’t want to be a rapper. The problem is that entertainment is the primary area blacks are promoted.

If you knew African history, you’d know that the Moors civilized Europe. You’d know Imhotep was the father or medicine and not Hippocrates. The problem is we have a education system that teaches “white lies” to empower white kids. I let my kid learn the bullshit they teach her in school, then we travel and I show her the truth.
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Who should US Soccer have promoted? Freddie Adu? Oh wait, that's right, they DID promote him! And he was a bust. I didn't take African American studies in college for the same reason I didn't take women's studies. Nobody wants to be in a room with angry wound~lickers looking to take out their phony revenge on the innocent. White lies? Does the whining ever stop? You let your kid learn the bullshit? You're the same parent that left their young teenager in a Tijuana school because her talents weren't recognized in the Bay Area. LMAO! Do you have ANY fucking idea how many college and professional soccer females came from the Bay? Are you born with the chip on your shoulder or is it a slow growth?

Christian Laettner was popular because he was hated. I'd argue Allen Iverson had the same influence and he was beloved until he became unbelievably stupid as a professional.
 
Dang, I thought race relations were on the up swing. What I'm witnessing on the socal soccer forum is revealing to say the least. It all makes since now. Sense I was literally in the middle of all this soccer BS with one of the top forwards in her age group a few years ago. I was sold YNT & Pros, period, end of the story. Fact, not fiction!!! I asked only a few questions after no pro pathway for DA Pros unless home school and move away to Portland. Guys like Sandy, Kicker, Lastman and Lester let me have it because they didn;t like my questions. I'm serious. I was never after college, never ever!!! Pros and YNT only was the target. Hello, anyone home at GDA headquarters and their spokes people on the forum who have a very vested interest in the G D A League staying alive and also know it's 99% all about college and not the pros. I got so pissed off when they sold me a college deal as a consultation prize the day after I ranted. You all no me right? I hate school and think it needs one big overhaul, just like youth soccer. After telling my goat how awesome she was and so close to making that list and the pros, the same smart asses sold me college, "Where would you like to go little one?" What are your grades like in 8th grade" "What & wear would you like to study?" "Were xxxx club and basically, where would you like to go?" "Hurry hurry, step right up and sign your life away." However, according to Sandy and all the experts who tell the truth about the pain & suffering most of the goats actually feel in college because 80% of these soccer players either quit, sit on the bench, or just transfer to JC and hope not to get pregnant and live on food stamps because the pimps have got what they wanted already from the goat. All the while assholes like Sandy laugh because they already know what happens to the dumb goat. ""Hahahahhahah"" he says. That is one big jerk!!!! Asshole the prick, lied to the girls, and their parents, and,that is why they changed the rules Sandy and Lester and all the others. Go read my rants from July. It's all there. I haven't changed. I just gots more information and I know 100% about all this soccer stuff now. I was sold a college deal for my 8th grader. Think about that Sandy?
 
Ellejustus said:
Dang, I thought race relations were on the up swing. What I'm witnessing on the socal soccer forum is revealing to say the least. It all makes since now. Sense I was literally in the middle of all this soccer BS with one of the top forwards in her age group a few years ago. I was sold YNT & Pros, period, end of the story. Fact, not fiction!!! I asked only a few questions after no pro pathway for DA Pros unless home school and move away to Portland. Guys like Sandy, Kicker, Lastman and Lester let me have it because they didn;t like my questions. I'm serious. I was never after college, never ever!!! Pros and YNT only was the target. Hello, anyone home at GDA headquarters and their spokes people on the forum who have a very vested interest in the G D A League staying alive and also know it's 99% all about college and not the pros. I got so pissed off when they sold me a college deal as a consultation prize the day after I ranted. You all no me right? I hate school and think it needs one big overhaul, just like youth soccer. After telling my goat how awesome she was and so close to making that list and the pros, the same smart asses sold me college, "Where would you like to go little one?" What are your grades like in 8th grade" "What & wear would you like to study?" "Were xxxx club and basically, where would you like to go?" "Hurry hurry, step right up and sign your life away." However, according to Sandy and all the experts who tell the truth about the pain & suffering most of the goats actually feel in college because 80% of these soccer players either quit, sit on the bench, or just transfer to JC and hope not to get pregnant and live on food stamps because the pimps have got what they wanted already from the goat. All the while assholes like Sandy laugh because they already know what happens to the dumb goat. ""Hahahahhahah"" he says. That is one big jerk!!!! Asshole the prick, lied to the girls, and their parents, and,that is why they changed the rules Sandy and Lester and all the others. Go read my rants from July. It's all there. I haven't changed. I just gots more information and I know 100% about all this soccer stuff now. I was sold a college deal for my 8th grader. Think about that Sandy?
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How many times are you going to post the same thing over and over again, TunaHelper?
 
MacDre said:
The only college athlete I can recall influencing popular culture was Christian Laettner but his influence was limited to the communities that pay to play soccer proliferate in. My community saw Laettner as being another “great white hope,” which turned out to be true. And, it’s not only the rappers...it’s also the fact that USSF has failed to inform blacks in the USA that many of the best soccer players past and present share their ethnicity.

Everyone doesn’t want to be a rapper. The problem is that entertainment is the primary area blacks are promoted.

If you knew African history, you’d know that the Moors civilized Europe. You’d know Imhotep was the father or medicine and not Hippocrates. The problem is we have a education system that teaches “white lies” to empower white kids. I let my kid learn the bullshit they teach her in school, then we travel and I show her the truth.
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"The Greeks equated him with their own god of medicine, Aesklepios, although there is no evidence that Imhotep himself was a physician."

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The Outlaw said:
Who should US Soccer have promoted? Freddie Adu? Oh wait, that's right, they DID promote him! And he was a bust. I didn't take African American studies in college for the same reason I didn't take women's studies. Nobody wants to be in a room with angry wound~lickers looking to take out their phony revenge on the innocent. White lies? Does the whining ever stop? You let your kid learn the bullshit? You're the same parent that left their young teenager in a Tijuana school because her talents weren't recognized in the Bay Area. LMAO! Do you have ANY fucking idea how many college and professional soccer females came from the Bay? Are you born with the chip on your shoulder or is it a slow growth?

Christian Laettner was popular because he was hated. I'd argue Allen Iverson had the same influence and he was beloved until he became unbelievably stupid as a professional.
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I did not want my kid in an environment where she was like a raisin in a bowl of milk. I wanted her to have a socially and culturally relevant education and not just learn about great white men. I wanted her bilingual. I wanted her to understand to plight of the poor and have poor friends. I wanted her to be from da hood but not of da hood.

My kid was identified as academically gifted early. She skipped 1 grade and I did not want her to skip another grade. So, instead of skipping again she had to learn all subjects in Spanish and English. School in TJ is not about soccer; soccer kinda just happened from being immersed in a soccer culture.
 
MacDre said:
I did not want my kid in an environment where she was like a raisin in a bowl of milk. I wanted her to have a socially and culturally relevant education and not just learn about great white men. I wanted her bilingual. I wanted her to understand to plight of the poor and have poor friends. I wanted her to be from da hood but not of da hood.

My kid was identified as academically gifted early. She skipped 1 grade and I did not want her to skip another grade. So, instead of skipping again she had to learn all subjects in Spanish and English. School in TJ is not about soccer; soccer kinda just happened from being immersed in a soccer culture.
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That is awesome. My wife speaks five languages. My dd when she was 4 started to stutter. Me and God had a talk and I begged him to take that potential game changer away from her. So many pricks out there. It was bad and she never thought it was. It went away in 6 months :)
 
Ellejustus said:
Dang, I thought race relations were on the up swing. What I'm witnessing on the socal soccer forum is revealing to say the least. It all makes since now. Sense I was literally in the middle of all this soccer BS with one of the top forwards in her age group a few years ago. I was sold YNT & Pros, period, end of the story. Fact, not fiction!!! I asked only a few questions after no pro pathway for DA Pros unless home school and move away to Portland. Guys like Sandy, Kicker, Lastman and Lester let me have it because they didn;t like my questions. I'm serious. I was never after college, never ever!!! Pros and YNT only was the target. Hello, anyone home at GDA headquarters and their spokes people on the forum who have a very vested interest in the G D A League staying alive and also know it's 99% all about college and not the pros. I got so pissed off when they sold me a college deal as a consultation prize the day after I ranted. You all no me right? I hate school and think it needs one big overhaul, just like youth soccer. After telling my goat how awesome she was and so close to making that list and the pros, the same smart asses sold me college, "Where would you like to go little one?" What are your grades like in 8th grade" "What & wear would you like to study?" "Were xxxx club and basically, where would you like to go?" "Hurry hurry, step right up and sign your life away." However, according to Sandy and all the experts who tell the truth about the pain & suffering most of the goats actually feel in college because 80% of these soccer players either quit, sit on the bench, or just transfer to JC and hope not to get pregnant and live on food stamps because the pimps have got what they wanted already from the goat. All the while assholes like Sandy laugh because they already know what happens to the dumb goat. ""Hahahahhahah"" he says. That is one big jerk!!!! Asshole the prick, lied to the girls, and their parents, and,that is why they changed the rules Sandy and Lester and all the others. Go read my rants from July. It's all there. I haven't changed. I just gots more information and I know 100% about all this soccer stuff now. I was sold a college deal for my 8th grader. Think about that Sandy?
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You are making race relation determinations based on a socal soccer forum with maybe 20 active members?
 
MacDre said:
I did not want my kid in an environment where she was like a raisin in a bowl of milk. I wanted her to have a socially and culturally relevant education and not just learn about great white men. I wanted her bilingual. I wanted her to understand to plight of the poor and have poor friends. I wanted her to be from da hood but not of da hood.

My kid was identified as academically gifted early. She skipped 1 grade and I did not want her to skip another grade. So, instead of skipping again she had to learn all subjects in Spanish and English. School in TJ is not about soccer; soccer kinda just happened from being immersed in a soccer culture.
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Fair enough... it's an interesting and unique move but I hope it works out for her.
 
Ellejustus said:
That is awesome. My wife speaks five languages. My dd when she was 4 started to stutter. Me and God had a talk and I begged him to take that potential game changer away from her. So many pricks out there. It was bad and she never thought it was. It went away in 6 months :)
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Any chance English is one of the 5? I was hoping maybe she could tutor you in between pies.
 
LadiesMan217 said:
You are making race relation determinations based on a socal soccer forum with maybe 20 active members?
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Listen ladies man, the only time viewership goes up is when someone like this guy brings a gun to a game or we talk race and the flavor of soccer. Way more than 20 dudes. More eyes are here than you know. I'm not alone and many people agree with me. Light and darkness have a very hard time working together, Plus, the light always wins!!! Go get your ball, lets go!!

 
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