ECNL vs. DA turf war has created a 'toxic environment'

Great questions btw :)
At what point in their careers do you identify these goats? 8th grade going into 9th
How many of them are there in this new program? According to Map, maybe 40 in Socal per age group. Some of those will choose HS like my kid and others will pursue now. We need to get the top top playing together to win gold
Do you take goats who want to be in the program or those that are identified? Only those who can hang
Who does the identification? Someone other than dads, corrupted Docs and coaches. Also, those who select cant have any affiliations to a club or any way of making kickbacks easy. High standards of results a must.
Who is going to pay? US Govt and sponsors. Don;t tell me we kan't find some money out of the $6,000,000,000,000 their proposing
Where is this program based? Four areas. Socal, somewhere in Texas, East coast and somewhere else that the experts think is good. Four areas with four YNT teams. Forget pricking just one excpet for U17 and U20 world cup.

The USA is 3.8 million square miles. CA is 164K, TX 267K. So?

England is 50K square miles, Germany 140K, Spain 195K, France 250K, Italy 120K. Together 755K, about 20% of the USA in size. So?

Goats in USA going to have to travel a lot, or be residential, or come together periodically which sort of defeats the purpose. It's a hell of lot better than seeing grown ass mama bears storm across the field because little Sally didn;t get to play and grandma and grandpa drove all the way from freaking SD to long beach to watch her sit on the bench and stair at the grass. Mama bear was bragging on Facebook how awesome Sally had developed. However, she saw zero minutes. Sally's parents were super rich and donated to all sorts money to the club. When I saw this crap go down first year of this GDA league, i knew the top top goats were getting used.
 
The government already pays for enough... with our tax dollars. The government has no money, Spicoli. Sponsors can pay for it or you can pay for it. The rest of us pay for our kids... so can you.
 
The Outlaw said:
You can play soccer for a low cost in the U.S. The better soccer you want, the more you pay for it, just like everything else in life. Better the neighborhood... better the car... etc. Soccer is affordable for those that want to play.
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Let’s assume I’m a privileged white male who wants to do “my part” to remedy centuries of racial inequality. Why would I put my money and/or time into making girls youth soccer more affordable, rather than putting it into something that is far more likely to make a positive impact on a greater number of people, like primary education or social welfare? Even if I put it into youth sports, why soccer? Why not help open the door for minorities to participate in even more elitist sports like lacrosse or equestrian?

If the total cost of dues and travel in GDA costs $10,000, why should I be donating that money so one girl can fly all over the country to play teams worse than ones down the street? Wouldn’t it be a better use of that money to pay for every single instrument in a high school band, the algebra textbooks for at least 3 classrooms, or 25% of the annual salary for a kindergarten teacher in Mississippi?

It seems to me that subsidizing youth girls soccer is the absolute worst possible way to promote equality in the U.S.
 
The Outlaw said:
The government already pays for enough... with our tax dollars. The government has no money, Spicoli. Sponsors can pay for it or you can pay for it. The rest of us pay for our kids... so can you.
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The Govt has no money is first thing you siad right today. That doesn;t mean that can't print as much as they want as were as seeing. I have no time for this wasteful spending but I think the girls deserve some too. Hows that????
 
EOTL said:
Let’s assume I’m a privileged white male who wants to do “my part” to remedy centuries of racial inequality. Why would I put my money and/or time into making girls youth soccer more affordable, rather than putting it into something that is far more likely to make a positive impact on a greater number of people, like primary education or social welfare? Even if I put it into youth sports, why soccer? Why not help open the door for minorities to participate in even more elitist sports like lacrosse or equestrian?

If the total cost of dues and travel in GDA costs $10,000, why should I be donating that money so one girl can fly all over the country to play teams worse than ones down the street? Wouldn’t it be a better use of that money to pay for every single instrument in a high school band, the algebra textbooks for at least 3 classrooms, or 25% of the annual salary for a kindergarten teacher in Mississippi?

It seems to me that subsidizing youth girls soccer is the absolute worst possible way to promote equality in the U.S.
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The leagues can;t do it. Do you trust all these leaders in soccer? Again, save the the top top from this politically nightmare where pay to play is the game in town. Again, we might be talking about 100 full time players in each age group. That can;t cost that much. Come on now, their throwing so much money around right now it's better to cough and tell your boss you feel Corona coming on then go to work. America is changed for good. I'm learning the game and I'm positioned very well. I needed some luck and by God I got me some :)
 
Ellejustus said:
The Govt has no money is first thing you siad right today. That doesn;t mean thAat can't print as much as they want as were as seeing. I have no time for this wasteful spending but I think the girls deserve some too. Hows that????
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We're printing money because of political correctness now. What's the point of giving street bums more cash? So they can drink, shoot and shit more on the sidewalk? What's the point of wiping away college debt for those that made bad decisions? So everyone else can pick up the tab even though we paid for our own college? What about next year? The year after that? Who pays for that college debt? Money doesn't solve problems. All this warm and fuzzy bullshit does it prolong the inevitable. Soccer clubs have scholarship programs. If yours doesn't, ask why. Maybe it's because your DOC makes $200k a year.
 
The Outlaw said:
You can play soccer for a low cost in the U.S. The better soccer you want, the more you pay for it, just like everything else in life. Better the neighborhood... better the car... etc. Soccer is affordable for those that want to play.
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Okay...but there are several poor kids in the USA that don’t know whether or not they want to play because soccer is not in their communities. My friends heckle me more than you about my kid playing soccer because soccer has an image problem in much of America. Many Americans think soccer is for weirdos and those that can’t hack it in real American sports (ie football, hockey, basketball, boxing & baseball). Why would a kid want to play that?

Maybe soccers image in the USA is a huge part of the problem.
 
EOTL said:
Let’s assume I’m a privileged white male who wants to do “my part” to remedy centuries of racial inequality. Why would I put my money and/or time into making girls youth soccer more affordable, rather than putting it into something that is far more likely to make a positive impact on a greater number of people, like primary education or social welfare? Even if I put it into youth sports, why soccer? Why not help open the door for minorities to participate in even more elitist sports like lacrosse or equestrian?

If the total cost of dues and travel in GDA costs $10,000, why should I be donating that money so one girl can fly all over the country to play teams worse than ones down the street? Wouldn’t it be a better use of that money to pay for every single instrument in a high school band, the algebra textbooks for at least 3 classrooms, or 25% of the annual salary for a kindergarten teacher in Mississippi?

It seems to me that subsidizing youth girls soccer is the absolute worst possible way to promote equality in the U.S.
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A team flying from Irvine to Portland for a game is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. Jesus Christ... social media has made this nation the dumbest around. Whatever puts you in a collar'd sweat jacket with a pretend, USWNT logo on it, for facebook bragging rights. And we wonder why the clubs do what they do. Well, we let them. Half those 14-year olds won't be playing at all in 3 years. Half of those will burn out... another 10% will have knee injuries and the rest will eventually figure out there's 30 spots in the national program and thousands of spots on college rosters.
 
The Outlaw said:
We're printing money because of political correctness now. What's the point of giving street bums more cash? So they can drink, shoot and shit more on the sidewalk? What's the point of wiping away college debt for those that made bad decisions? So everyone else can pick up the tab even though we paid for our own college? What about next year? The year after that? Who pays for that college debt? Money doesn't solve problems. All this warm and fuzzy bullshit does it prolong the inevitable. Soccer clubs have scholarship programs. If yours doesn't, ask why. Maybe it's because your DOC makes $200k a year.
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Girls are street bums?
 
MacDre said:
Okay...but there are several poor kids in the USA that don’t know whether or not they want to play because soccer is not in their communities. My friends heckle me more than you about my kid playing soccer because soccer has an image problem in much of America. Many Americans think soccer is for weirdos and those that can’t hack it in real American sports (ie football, hockey, basketball, boxing & baseball). Why would a kid want to play that?

Maybe soccers image in the USA is a huge part of the problem.
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You live in the east bay. What soccer image problem? You're in 1 of 2 soccer hotbeds in NorCal and it's been that way for decades.
 
The Outlaw said:
A team flying from Irvine to Portland for a game is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. Jesus Christ... social media has made this nation the dumbest around. Whatever puts you in a collar'd sweat jacket with a pretend, USWNT logo on it, for facebook bragging rights. And we wonder why the clubs do what they do. Well, we let them. Half those 14-year olds won't be playing at all in 3 years. Half of those will burn out... another 10% will have knee injuries and the rest will eventually figure out there's 30 spots in the national program and thousands of spots on college rosters.
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I agree with you 100% on this take. I was at the grocery store last year and this G D A dad was talking so much Kool aid I puked. It was so hard to hear as my kid was kicked out of the same league because she choice wisely and her old man let her make the choose. This dad was saying, "My little June, oh my, she has deve;loped into a find world class soccer player and a world class human. She just got back from Florida where she played in one game and scouts saw it." This same June walked around campus with her DA logo and looked down on all the ECNL and rec players at high school. Let me just say June is glad to be home and not at school.
 
Ellejustus said:
I agree with you 100% on this take. I was at the grocery store last year and this G D A dad was talking so much Kool aid I puked. It was so hard to hear as my kid was kicked out of the same league because she choice wisely and her old man let her make the choose. This dad was saying, "My little June, oh my, she has deve;loped into a find world class soccer player and a world class human. She just got back from Florida where she played in one game and scouts saw it." This same June walked around campus with her DA logo and looked down on all the ECNL and rec players at high school. Let me just say June is glad to be home and not at school.
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The DA is simply selling the college experience to 15-year olds. Put on your team outfits, sit in an airport together for 2 ours, fly to Seattle for a game on Saturday, spend the night in a hotel, go throw a fish, sit in the jaccuzzi with teammates you like, have an expensive dinner, play in Portland on Sunday and fly home. Um... isn't that what Stanford and UCLA do? You just get to do it early and for a small fee. Ridiculous.
 
The Outlaw said:
A team flying from Irvine to Portland for a game is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. Jesus Christ... social media has made this nation the dumbest around. Whatever puts you in a collar'd sweat jacket with a pretend, USWNT logo on it, for facebook bragging rights. And we wonder why the clubs do what they do. Well, we let them. Half those 14-year olds won't be playing at all in 3 years. Half of those will burn out... another 10% will have knee injuries and the rest will eventually figure out there's 30 spots in the national program and thousands of spots on college rosters.
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How about the B team for the A team flying from San Jose to OC JWA and playing the #1 team in socal A team ((allegedy) and not even telling the top team your pulling this stunt. 7-0. I would not support Govt help with this BS league. Heck know.!!! Top A teams for top top goats playing all the time, yes, we have some extra money for the girls. We can hire a czar to manage all the funds and make sure the funds go to the girls and that the girls are being treated fair with no grooming going on and most importantly, their respected and are having fun. What is so hard to get your ahead around that idea dude?
 
The Outlaw said:
The DA is simply selling the college experience to 15-year olds. Put on your team outfits, sit in an airport together for 2 ours, fly to Seattle for a game on Saturday, spend the night in a hotel, play in Portland on Sunday and fly home. Um... isn't that what Stanford and UCLA do? You just get to do it early and for a small fee. Ridiculous.
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Bingo!!!! It was a bait and switch and we all deserve a refund :)
 
EOTL said:
Let’s assume I’m a privileged white male who wants to do “my part” to remedy centuries of racial inequality. Why would I put my money and/or time into making girls youth soccer more affordable, rather than putting it into something that is far more likely to make a positive impact on a greater number of people, like primary education or social welfare? Even if I put it into youth sports, why soccer? Why not help open the door for minorities to participate in even more elitist sports like lacrosse or equestrian?

If the total cost of dues and travel in GDA costs $10,000, why should I be donating that money so one girl can fly all over the country to play teams worse than ones down the street? Wouldn’t it be a better use of that money to pay for every single instrument in a high school band, the algebra textbooks for at least 3 classrooms, or 25% of the annual salary for a kindergarten teacher in Mississippi?

It seems to me that subsidizing youth girls soccer is the absolute worst possible way to promote equality in the U.S.
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We should seek equality in areas of life and community.
 
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