ECNL vs. DA turf war has created a 'toxic environment'

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

Okay, I understand that things aren’t free.

But, what I do not understand is why clubs in Europe and Mexico are free but the people on this board feels it’s impossible to have free club soccer.

Things cost in Europe and Mexico too. I guess they make things happen and we make excuses.

I think it’s kinda pathetic for the politically, socially, and economically disenfranchised to not have an opportunity to play youth sports in the richest nation because of cost. I find it repulsive that most don’t care.

You can play soccer for a low cost in the U.S. The better soccer you want, the more you pay for it, just like everything else in life. Better the neighborhood... better the car... etc. Soccer is affordable for those that want to play.

 

[gotothebushes]

I don't know anybody that pays $15k per year for soccer, and if they did I'd stop talking to them, but you have to remember comp soccer teaches life lessons... and the reality is that you'd still be spending some amount of money on something else. Paying for soccer isn't bribing schools. Making a $70M donation to USC and then bragging you didn't pay Rick Singer to get YOUR kid into the school, like Dr. Dre did... that's bribing a school.

Don't think Dr. Dre's the only one donating 70M to college campuses. Many came before Dr. Dre getting their names on a building.

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

Don't think Dr. Dre's the only one donating 70M to college campuses. Many came before Dr. Dre getting their names on a building.

Agree 100%... but he was the only one stupid enough to say "my kid got in on her own merits" when others were getting busted.

 

[EOTL]

The study’s conclusion: “On the contrary, fatigued athletes appear to land with greater peak knee and hip flexion angles, and lower landing forces than unfatigued athletes—all of which are considered favourable movement strategies for reducing ACL loading. These data support recent analyses demonstrating no relationship between player workload in training and competition and the occurrence of ACL injury in sport.”

I’m glad you’ve done at least a modicum of research into this issue. A couple points. First, you cite from the abstract, presumably without having read the article since that would require you to pay $50. I will admit I haven’t read it either but, then again, I’m not relying on it. Without knowing what the study actually says, how The study was conducted, and the degree of certainty in his conclusions, it’s hard to put much stock into it.

Although I have no idea exactly what lab tests he used to reach his results, but I do know from other sources that he was focusing exclusively on physical fatigue and not mental fatigue, the latter of which is probably the most important driver. Notably, the cited language shows that the participants In his study actually showed better form as they tired. That should be no surprise, since someone performing the same repetitive task over and over again will likely be more careful as they tire in order to mitigate the risk of injury. That is not a luxury that exists in the 89th minute of a soccer game as a girl tries to cut back. In addition to not having the ability to engage in the safest way of cutting back, a 15 year old doesn’t even know what is the best way to do this. In fact, it should not be a surprise that mental fatigue in competition is a major driver of the injury risk. Shoot, fatigue during competitive sports increases the concussion rates, among other injuries, although we know that minutes played doesn’t make your skull any softer or your brain any bouncier. See https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15438620701879020.

And of course, his theory goes against the bulk of pretty much every other study, or maybe it doesn’t since he was looking at physical fatigue based on lab studies while others were considering the whole package, including mental fatigue. Regardless, show me the study that says fatigue doesn’t significantly increase the risk of other types of injuries. Once we’ve done that, you can go ahead and proclaim that the GDA’s limited substitution rules are the most brilliant, perfect way for 15 year old girls to play soccer.

 

[Ellejustus]

Actually I just pointed out the biggest offender who was stupid enough to pop his head up and brag about the bribing he didn't do. And listen, TunaHelper, you're the last person on this site to be calling anyone a "little brain." Your head injuries are as epic as your belief that everyone values your incessant babble.

Enjoy the hate dude. Must be lonely laying or lying in bed thinking how much you hate black people or at the very least, your brain thinks we all started the race at the same starting gate to the America Dream finish line. My buddy lives up in Fresno there and he told me to tell you, you need more than help. Help is on the way buddy, get ready for a new life after your let out of your house in Central Cali. Wow, you will hate the new world. I can feel your hate through my screen. Darkness has ruled your soul for a long time brother. It's not to late to rid yourself of those demons. Bad demons too and hard to exercise them out. 90% who have the hate you have can;t get rid of it even when they ask. I think it's envy Lester for many reasons I won;t share on here. PM me and I will 100% share why your full of jealousy and envy. Dangerous sins my friend for the soul. Be careful dude.....

 

[Ellejustus]

Okay, I understand that things aren’t free.

But, what I do not understand is why clubs in Europe and Mexico are free but the people on this board feels it’s impossible to have free club soccer.

Things cost in Europe and Mexico too. I guess they make things happen and we make excuses.

I think it’s kinda pathetic for the politically, socially, and economically disenfranchised to not have an opportunity to play youth sports in the richest nation because of cost. I find it repulsive that most don’t care.

So here's a little truth. We got the full ride at the #1 GDA club the year before the actual start of this circus league. However, after the third big lie, we bailed for another full ride with private training at Legends. However, rules were changed again to help the #1 club not loooos any goats. Because we left the first time, we were told only half would be covered for the GDA as punishment for leaving the team high and dry in the first place and I was told if we ever try and leave again the new Doc would not chase me to come back and try and give me a free hand out I was so desperately searching for. Oh ya, I called every club I could find that had a soup kitchen for the poor like me and my dd. The rich folks were so nice, they even served us the free hot meals. I see how ungrateful I have been to all of you and took my free hand out for granted. I admit I chased and even tried to bribe JH for an automatic qualifier for the list and CM position. He said he could only promise her a spot on his 03/04 team and start 25% of the time and even play down with the baby 04s when needed. I see now that I was one of very very few that got tricked into the free hand outs by all the nice rich parents who run and control youth soccer.

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

Enjoy the hate dude. Must be lonely laying or lying in bed thinking how much you hate black people or at the very least, your brain thinks we all started the race at the same starting gate to the America Dream finish line. My buddy lives up in Fresno there and he told me to tell you, you need more than help. Help is on the way buddy, get ready for a new life after your let out of your house in Central Cali. Wow, you will hate the new world. I can feel your hate through my screen. Darkness has ruled your soul for a long time brother. It's not to late to rid yourself of those demons. Bad demons too and hard to exercise them out. 90% who have the hate you have can;t get rid of it even when they ask. I think it's envy Lester for many reasons I won;t share on here. PM me and I will 100% share why your full of jealousy and envy. Dangerous sins my friend for the soul. Be careful dude.....

What are you babbling about now? Stop dreaming about me laying in bed, Spicoli. You need to focus on how your 9-year old was such a star, screwed over by the system and how her babbling daddy let her down by living her dream. And so you know, I don't live in Central California. It's a dump just like Santa Fe. By the way, if I ever PM you, it's going to explain "your" and "you're" to your uneducated ass because your fucking posts burn my retinas.

 

[Ellejustus]

What are you babbling about now? Stop dreaming about me laying in bed, Spicoli. You need to focus on how your 9-year old was such a star, screwed over by the system and how her babbling daddy let her down by living her dream. And so you know, I don't live in Central California. It's a dump just like Santa Fe. By the way, if I ever PM you, it's going to explain "your" and "you're" to your uneducated ass because your fucking posts burn my retinas.

I'm sorry Lester, I thought you said Central Cali. What parts you from than? I have 25% Spicoli, 25% Forrest Gump, 25% The Water Boy and 25% Rodney D.

 

[Ellejustus]

I respect your jealousy sir. TY for engaging me today. My dd and I want a contest someday where the top top soccer goats battle it out and the true cream rises to da top. The cream is diluted with sheep. Again, for all those paying to play and listening to all this babble, I'm 100% open to my dd being a sheep. Sheep is not bad in this analogy. Their just not true goats in the soccer example. We have to have a higher competitive target based on the actual play on the field, not how much one is willing to pay to play.

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

I'm sorry Lester, I thought you said Central Cali. What parts you from than? I have 25% Spicoli, 25% Forrest Gump, 25% The Water Boy and 25% Rodney D.

You said Central Cal, TunaHelper. Nobody cares where I live... and you have ZERO association with Dangerfield. My point is that if you're spending $15k a year on soccer for a child, you deserve whatever abuse you get. That said, an investment in comp soccer is not necessarily a bad investment... unless you believe your own press... like you did.

 

[Ellejustus]

You said Central Cal, TunaHelper. Nobody cares where I live... and you have ZERO association with Dangerfield. My point is that if you're spending $15k a year on soccer for a child, you deserve whatever abuse you get. That said, an investment in comp soccer is not necessarily a bad investment... unless you believe your own press... like you did.

I have never paid $15,000. Who said, i said, i paid $15K? The one's paying $15,000 already have it so who cares. No complaints from them at all. I demand it free if they want my dd to give up her childhood for full time soccer, that's all.

 

[sdb]

Okay, I understand that things aren’t free.

But, what I do not understand is why clubs in Europe and Mexico are free but the people on this board feels it’s impossible to have free club soccer.

Things cost in Europe and Mexico too. I guess they make things happen and we make excuses.

I think it’s kinda pathetic for the politically, socially, and economically disenfranchised to not have an opportunity to play youth sports in the richest nation because of cost. I find it repulsive that most don’t care.

Honest question: is club soccer free in Europe and Mexico at every level? Or just at the professional level? For female players as well as male players? If not free, where are the breaks?

Liga MX seems to be doing the best job of creating at least an equal number of top female teams as male teams (both 18). EPL is 20 vs. 12 for women, Ligue 1 the same, La Liga 20 mens vs. 16 for women.

Given all the riches we have as a country, or at least did until the last few weeks, I'd like to see us tackle the problem of homelessness and our education system first, then take on inequality in youth sports and the subset of club soccer...

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

Honest question: is club soccer free in Europe and Mexico at every level? Or just at the professional level? For female players as well as male players? If not free, where are the breaks?

Liga MX seems to be doing the best job of creating at least an equal number of top female teams as male teams (both 18). EPL is 20 vs. 12 for women, Ligue 1 the same, La Liga 20 mens vs. 16 for women.

Given all the riches we have as a country, or at least did until the last few weeks, I'd like to see us tackle the problem of homelessness and our education system first, then take on inequality in youth sports and the subset of club soccer...

How do you tackle homelessness with our "riches" as a country? How do you force someone to get clean if they don't want to? How do you force someone to get a job if they don't want to? How do you force someone to get mental health care if they don't want to? How do you force someone to live something other than a nomadic lifestyle if they don't want to?

I ask this because some of my liberal friends think throwing money at the problem will solve it. I know that's the liberal way of thinking for EVERY problem, but what do you think is the solution? And if we have "riches" as a country, why are we trillions in debt? Do we truly have riches or are we just living large on credit?

 

[Ellejustus]

Honest question: is club soccer free in Europe and Mexico at every level? Or just at the professional level? For female players as well as male players? If not free, where are the breaks?

Liga MX seems to be doing the best job of creating at least an equal number of top female teams as male teams (both 18). EPL is 20 vs. 12 for women, Ligue 1 the same, La Liga 20 mens vs. 16 for women.

Given all the riches we have as a country, or at least did until the last few weeks, I'd like to see us tackle the problem of homelessness and our education system first, then take on inequality in youth sports and the subset of club soccer...

I was told that the top Euro leagues find the top, top goat girls early in age and then it's a pathway to the YNT, academies and the pros. All free!!! If your not good enough, no college either, just rec and they pay to play. Everyone in our country thinks their kid is a top top player and the experts say maybe 1%, that's it. We pay all this crap because, because 99% of you want one thing. Can any of you guess what that # 1 priority is? Clue: Mr Singer. All me and @MacDre have been saying is we need a new league that is free for those who want YNT and pro. That isn;t alot of girls and some of us need to be ok with it. I am. It also needs to be fully funded for the girls and at least one parent also so they can make sure no funny business is going on road trips and the like. US Swim coach groomed a girl, so let's not forget that. Don;t let guys like Lester tell us it's her old man's fault for putting his top swimmer in our country in that situation. Just like the kids who took showers with that old man coach in PA and even the creeps that are no longer alive that took 14 year old girls to some island. Lester wants us to think it's their stupid dads fault for not protecting them from all these monsters we see in real life.

 

[sdb]

How do you tackle homelessness with our "riches" as a country? How do you force someone to get clean if they don't want to? How do you force someone to get a job if they don't want to? How do you force someone to get mental health care if they don't want to? How do you force someone to live something other than a nomadic lifestyle if they don't want to?

I ask this because some of my liberal friends think throwing money at the problem will solve it. I know that's the liberal way of thinking for EVERY problem, but what do you think is the solution? And if we have "riches" as a country, why are we trillions in debt? Do we truly have riches or are we just living large on credit?

I knew this would trigger a "liberal vs. conservative" response, shouldn't have posted it. All good questions, but not for this thread.

 

[Ellejustus]

How do you tackle homelessness with our "riches" as a country? How do you force someone to get clean if they don't want to? How do you force someone to get a job if they don't want to? How do you force someone to get mental health care if they don't want to? How do you force someone to live something other than a nomadic lifestyle if they don't want to?

I ask this because some of my liberal friends think throwing money at the problem will solve it. I know that's the liberal way of thinking for EVERY problem, but what do you think is the solution? And if we have "riches" as a country, why are we trillions in debt? Do we truly have riches or are we just living large on credit?

The law of two is a dark place to be dude. Here you go again. Do you understand that the law of two lie you were sold is blinding you? in the The Universe that God ((Yawweh)) created is not what your brain thinks it is. It's so freaking powerful and guess what kind of fuel God uses Lester? Love and grace

 

[sdb]

I was told that the top Euro leagues find the top, top goat girls early in age and then it's a pathway to the YNT, academies and the pros. All free!!! If your not good enough, no college either, just rec and they pay to play. Everyone in our country thinks their kid is a top top player and the experts say maybe 1%, that's it. We pay all this crap because, because 99% of you want one thing. Can any of you guess what that # 1 priority is? Clue: Mr Singer. All me and @MacDre have been saying is we need a new league that is free for those who want YNT and pro. That isn;t alot of girls and some of us need to be ok with it. I am. It also needs to be fully funded for the girls and at least one parent also so they can make sure no funny business is going on road trips and the like. US Swim coach groomed a girl, so let's not forget that. Don;t let guys like Lester tell us it's her old man's fault for putting his top swimmer in our country in that situation. Just like the kids who took showers with that old man coach in PA and even the creeps that are no longer alive that took 14 year old girls to some island. Lester wants us to think it's their stupid dads fault for not protecting them from all these monsters we see in real life.

At what point in their careers do you identify these goats?
How many of them are there in this new program?
Do you take goats who want to be in the program or those that are identified?
Who does the identification?
Who is going to pay?
Where is this program based?

The USA is 3.8 million square miles. CA is 164K, TX 267K.

England is 50K square miles, Germany 140K, Spain 195K, France 250K, Italy 120K. Together 755K, about 20% of the USA in size.

Goats in USA going to have to travel a lot, or be residential, or come together periodically which sort of defeats the purpose.

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

I was told that the top Euro leagues find the top, top goat girls early in age and then it's a pathway to the YNT, academies and the pros. All free!!! If your not good enough, no college either, just rec and they pay to play. Everyone in our country thinks their kid is a top top player and the experts say maybe 1%, that's it. We pay all this crap because, because 99% of you want one thing. Can any of you guess what that # 1 priority is? Clue: Mr Singer. All me and @MacDre have been saying is we need a new league that is free for those who want YNT and pro. That isn;t alot of girls and some of us need to be ok with it. I am. It also needs to be fully funded for the girls and at least one parent also so they can make sure no funny business is going on road trips and the like. US Swim coach groomed a girl, so let's not forget that. Don;t let guys like Lester tell us it's her old man's fault for putting his top swimmer in our country in that situation. Just like the kids who took showers with that old man coach in PA and even the creeps that are no longer alive that took 14 year old girls to some island. Lester wants us to think it's their stupid dads fault for not protecting them from all these monsters we see in real life.

Nothing is free. Air and that won't be for much longer. Stop asking for free.

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

I knew this would trigger a "liberal vs. conservative" response, shouldn't have posted it. All good questions, but not for this thread.

No, that's not what it triggered. If I wanted that I would have used my usual term of "libtard". It's a fair question... I know what my solution is. I'm curious to know what makes you think our country is "rich" and what would you offer up as ideas to fix homelessness. And anything that gets TunaHelper to stop babbling about his kid is good for this or any other threat.

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

The law of two is a dark place to be dude. Here you go again. Do you understand that the law of two lie you were sold is blinding you? in the The Universe that God ((Yawweh)) created is not what your brain thinks it is. It's so freaking powerful and guess what kind of fuel God uses Lester? Love and grace

With all minimum due respect, Spicoli, when you master (your vs you're), come give me some life lessons. In the meantime, "love" doesn't pay for free soccer or anything else. Save the unicorn speech.