ECNL vs. DA turf war has created a 'toxic environment'

[Soccerfan2]

Justus here’s your truth. US Soccer isn’t going to read your forum posts and change their high school policy. Focus on what you do have control over. Your kid needs a Dad who can cope far more than she needs a national team spot. There will be a lot more important difficult conflicts in life to work through than this. Attachment is the root of suffering. Display some maturity and let it go.

 

[Justus]

Justus here’s your truth. US Soccer isn’t going to read your forum posts and change their high school policy. Focus on what you do have control over. Your kid needs a Dad who can cope far more than she needs a national team spot. There will be a lot more important difficult conflicts in life to work through than this. Attachment is the root of suffering. Display some maturity and let it go.

So far 90% of you think I should just put it to rest. TY for your suggestions. I have considered the advice and still think we need a discussion at the very least. I just have a few questions. I'm asking them on a public forum of soccer folks and most, not all think I should get mental help, quit, go away and just put it to rest and realize it's "pipe dream"

 

[Justus]

I love this 5 minute edit correction thing. I wish I had this when I was young. I had to type my papers on a type writer. My battle has begone to bring to LIGHT the misdeeds of Girls Youth Soccer in Socal. That's my big blast from the cannon. It's one dad and dd opionin based on experience. Let me tell all of you, unless you experienced what we did please stop judging. I'm seeking answers to the "smoke & mirror" were all getting pitched right here in SoCal by the epicenter of all things soccer. This is scary stuff and I'm ready to take it on. It will be for the best of all the little girls 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14 that need time to mature mentally and go through the process of life. This is the movie "click" but with soccer instead of Adam S trying to climb the corporate latter. All of you have basically told me and my dd that the dream is over, pack it up and focus on the studies now because that's where you belong.....right? Be honest. That't not how the FEARSOME FOURSOME ROLL. So let's have the discussion and not hate the messenger and especially my dd. EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL GIRLS REGARDLESS OF RACE, SOCIAL, PRIVATE SCHOOL KIDS OR PUBLIC SCHOOL KIDS. I loved my high school sports so much that it kept me going. It's also one of the greatest decisions my dd has done. One coach at her HS taught her a very valuable lesson that wouldn't have happened d if she wasn't there and to him I am very grateful. Tough love is what we need and learn from mistakes you make as 12, 13, 14 , 15 year old girl. I have to go to the beach now to chill and think more. I love America, I love High School Sports and I love all of you believe it or not. Sorry for fishing on here. I needed to get the info I was looking for. Peace out my fellow brother & sisters of this great country of ours.

 

[espola]

I love this 5 minute edit correction thing. I wish I had this when I was young. I had to type my papers on a type writer. My battle has begone to bring to LIGHT the misdeeds of Girls Youth Soccer in Socal. That's my big blast from the cannon. It's one dad and dd opionin based on experience. Let me tell all of you, unless you experienced what we did please stop judging. I'm seeking answers to the "smoke & mirror" were all getting pitched right here in SoCal by the epicenter of all things soccer. This is scary stuff and I'm ready to take it on. It will be for the best of all the little girls 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14 that need time to mature mentally and go through the process of life. This is the movie "click" but with soccer instead of Adam S trying to climb the corporate latter. All of you have basically told me and my dd that the dream is over, pack it up and focus on the studies now because that's where you belong.....right? Be honest. That't not how the FEARSOME FOURSOME ROLL. So let's have the discussion and not hate the messenger and especially my dd. EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL GIRLS REGARDLESS OF RACE, SOCIAL, PRIVATE SCHOOL KIDS OR PUBLIC SCHOOL KIDS. I loved my high school sports so much that it kept me going. It's also one of the greatest decisions my dd has done. One coach at her HS taught her a very valuable lesson that wouldn't have happened d if she wasn't there and to him I am very grateful. Tough love is what we need and learn from mistakes you make as 12, 13, 14 , 15 year old girl. I have to go to the beach now to chill and think more. I love America, I love High School Sports and I love all of you believe it or not. Sorry for fishing on here. I needed to get the info I was looking for. Peace out my fellow brother & sisters of this great country of ours.

I appreciate the thought, but you are about (at least) 20 years late.

 

[Zen]

I love this 5 minute edit correction thing. I wish I had this when I was young. I had to type my papers on a type writer. My battle has begone to bring to LIGHT the misdeeds of Girls Youth Soccer in Socal. That's my big blast from the cannon. It's one dad and dd opionin based on experience. Let me tell all of you, unless you experienced what we did please stop judging. I'm seeking answers to the "smoke & mirror" were all getting pitched right here in SoCal by the epicenter of all things soccer. This is scary stuff and I'm ready to take it on. It will be for the best of all the little girls 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14 that need time to mature mentally and go through the process of life. This is the movie "click" but with soccer instead of Adam S trying to climb the corporate latter. All of you have basically told me and my dd that the dream is over, pack it up and focus on the studies now because that's where you belong.....right? Be honest. That't not how the FEARSOME FOURSOME ROLL. So let's have the discussion and not hate the messenger and especially my dd. EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL GIRLS REGARDLESS OF RACE, SOCIAL, PRIVATE SCHOOL KIDS OR PUBLIC SCHOOL KIDS. I loved my high school sports so much that it kept me going. It's also one of the greatest decisions my dd has done. One coach at her HS taught her a very valuable lesson that wouldn't have happened d if she wasn't there and to him I am very grateful. Tough love is what we need and learn from mistakes you make as 12, 13, 14 , 15 year old girl. I have to go to the beach now to chill and think more. I love America, I love High School Sports and I love all of you believe it or not. Sorry for fishing on here. I needed to get the info I was looking for. Peace out my fellow brother & sisters of this great country of ours.

I agree many girls were shafted and not given a fair shake for YNT based on league preference - our coach and DOC's daughter included (at what you consider a big club). It happened to many worthy of consideration - even DOCs and middle-men. It is devastating for those girls, unfair, and it sucks, all of that...but for the sake of you and your daughter - you have to move on. The last 2-3 yrs have been bumpy. The YNT decisions are what they are. Fuel your energy into what you CAN control and in the future. Most full NT players (with exception of 2) are influenced by performance IN college. Consider college as a path to Rome, a means to an end that provides a plan B, C, and D...even if it is not the ultimate goal. Maybe, just maybe college might turn out to be a good option for your daughter if you're open to consider it for what it can do for you. For a baller, 3.0 is probably sufficient for many D1's...without hampering her social life. She can play against YNT's at UCLA, etc...and have her opportunity to shine. Walk-on for UCLA is still an option, especially for a stud that isn't asking for money, just wants an opportunity to shine against YNT girls. (The thought of playing against these girls in college fuels my daughter to no end!) If college is totally out, there is also the Horan path of going pro at 18. There are viable paths for exceptional talent (even then luck is required!). You're not going to change DA high school rules or current YNT list. I feel for you, but time to let the wrongs go (I believe they happened). Focus on creating options vs reducing them (even if unintentionally on this forum).

 

[wc_baller]

You are doing more damage to your DD's career by your rambling posts than by any conflict around the DA/HS debate.


Wait! @Soccer43, are you inferring that people know who we are on here?

There was so much personal information in those 10 plus pages of rambling posts, I was easily able to figure out who his kid was. The soccer community is really a small community in terms of the big clubs and impact players, and word gets around quickly. I’m hoping for the kid’s sake that she doesn’t suffer negative consequences for the parent’s rantings.

 

[LASTMAN14]

There was so much personal information in those 10 plus pages of rambling posts, I was easily able to figure out who his kid was. The sound occer community is really a small community in terms of the big clubs and impact players, and word gets around quickly. I’m hoping for the kid’s sake that she doesn’t suffer negative consequences for the parent’s rantings.

Totally agree on the info that was shared. It was why those threads were taken down. Though it does make you go hmmm.

 

[Justus]

Justus here’s your truth. US Soccer isn’t going to read your forum posts and change their high school policy. Focus on what you do have control over. Your kid needs a Dad who can cope far more than she needs a national team spot. There will be a lot more important difficult conflicts in life to work through than this. Attachment is the root of suffering. Display some maturity and let it go.

NEVER!!!!!

 

[Justus]

Google "Acacia Edwards Soccer"

Don't hate the messenger folks. Think at 12, not 15. Different times in 2016-2017. We just have some questions how all this went down. WHO SELECTED THE LIST, COMMITTE OF SCOUTS? DO SOME CLUBS GET THEM WHILE OTHERS DONT? LEAGUE REQUIREMENT? DID A CLUB HOLD A PICK(S) AND THE DOC CAN CHOOSE OR COACH? THIS A VERY COVETED/VALUED LIST IM FINDING OUT TOO. WHERE WERE THE DA SCOUTS SCOUTING BEFORE FIRST U14 LIST ANNOUNCED SEPT 2017? MY DD WAS ASKED TO COMPETE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL WHEN SHE WAS 12 AND 13. WE ALL KNOW A BATTLE STARTED WITH US SOCCER VS ECNL RIGHT AT THE SAME TIME FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. WE LIVED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BATTLE OF THIS TOXIC WAR AND IM HERE TO END IT! MY DD WAS A VERY SOUGHT AFTER RECRRUIT AT THE TIME. TRUST ME!!! GUESS WHAT WE WERE SOLD? MY DD IS STRONG AND IS AT THE BEACH SURFING SO ALL IS GOOD. SHES NOT HAPPY ABOUT THE PROCESS IN 2017 EITHER. Lastly, many of you have said all sorts of things but the biggest complaint I have is that its one "Big Pipe dream." unrealistic, impossible and the like. If it's a "pipe dream," why is it sold to a 12 year old? I'm going to the beach to chill some more.

 

[Justus]

I agree many girls were shafted and not given a fair shake for YNT based on league preference - our coach and DOC's daughter included (at what you consider a big club). It happened to many worthy of consideration - even DOCs and middle-men. It is devastating for those girls, unfair, and it sucks, all of that...but for the sake of you and your daughter - you have to move on. The last 2-3 yrs have been bumpy. The YNT decisions are what they are. Fuel your energy into what you CAN control and in the future. Most full NT players (with exception of 2) are influenced by performance IN college. Consider college as a path to Rome, a means to an end that provides a plan B, C, and D...even if it is not the ultimate goal. Maybe, just maybe college might turn out to be a good option for your daughter if you're open to consider it for what it can do for you. For a baller, 3.0 is probably sufficient for many D1's...without hampering her social life. She can play against YNT's at UCLA, etc...and have her opportunity to shine. Walk-on for UCLA is still an option, especially for a stud that isn't asking for money, just wants an opportunity to shine against YNT girls. (The thought of playing against these girls in college fuels my daughter to no end!) If college is totally out, there is also the Horan path of going pro at 18. There are viable paths for exceptional talent (even then luck is required!). You're not going to change DA high school rules or current YNT list. I feel for you, but time to let the wrongs go (I believe they happened). Focus on creating options vs reducing them (even if unintentionally on this forum).

TY Zen. I think we all could agree at 13 and 14 years old it's very hard to find the best in America. Why have a list that age in the first pace? It's being used for all the wrong reasons and if it's NOT TRANSPARENT, then it's not good. Competitor is asked to compete in a competition (THE LIST) then it's fair to ask how the list is picked? What are you basing your decision on? What methods are you using to select?

 

[Justus]

None of you know the recruiting process my 12 & 13 year 0ld (at the time) went through except MY WIFE, MY DD, SON and ME plus the two BIG CLUBS AND THE DOCs THAT GOT ALL THE PERCEIVED BENEIFITS FOR GOING $$$$$$ALL IN$$$$$$$ THE US SOCCER FEDERATION DEVELOPMENTAL LEAGUE WAS MANDATED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO FIND THE TOP 2004 SOCCER PLAYERS ALL OVER THE USA, INCLUDING GIRLS THAT PLAY AYSO, ECNL, SCDSL, CSL, HIGH SCHOOL SOCCER AND THE DA. SOME OF US COMPETITORS DON'T LIKE THE WAY YOU SELECTED AND TO TOP IT ALL OFF, YOU DIDN'T ALLOW PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL GILRS ACCESS, ONLY PRIVATE SCHOOL KIDS. NOT FAIR, IS THAT EQUAL? HOW WAS THE LIST PUT TOGETHER????? WHO WAS THE DECISION MAKER(s) in that process for each girl? I WANT TO SAY THIS RIGHT NOW: THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE GIRLS WHO GOT PICKED, ITS ABOUT THE ADULTS WHO WERE IN CHARGE FOR THE PICKS. for my dd, her complaint is the first two u14 list of 24 and 48. I know my dd had no chance for this years LIST because she was kicked out because of HS Soccer, all because she followed the rules while some adults found little loop holes for dd to do both Private School and the DA. My only question about this years U16 list is why only DA Club kids on that list? I'm sure there is a reason that all of Michigan and Ohio are left out. My guess is they like HS Soccer too much and it wouldn't fly with the girls. I guess maybe the state of Michigan has no 04s up for the challenge. Once we get this all worked out we can all get back to the fields and battle it out on the fields only. Get the top scouts to watch and then take the top of top and help them be the best. Don't take a social joy to many and make it a punishment. Please, I beg of you. Q to all: My dd is looking for girls on her HS team to win this year. Is it ok if she recruits a DA player away for the league? Will she get in trouble for that?

 

[Sombitch]

My goodness - what on earth is going on here? lol

I can't even begin to start reading through 44 pages of this.

But I will say this - why not do both? My DD stepped away from her DA club team her senior year to play her first and only year of HS soccer with her sister who was a freshman. Great decision. Once HS was done, she trained with a local boys U18 ECNL team, and then the local WPSL team - honestly all of it helped her game - and gave her a well needed mental break to recover and regroup.

 

[Desert Hound]

None of you know the recruiting process my 12 & 13 year 0ld (at the time) went through except MY WIFE, MY DD, SON and ME plus the two BIG CLUBS AND THE DOCs THAT GOT ALL THE PERCEIVED BENEIFITS FOR GOING $$$$$$ALL IN$$$$$$$ THE US SOCCER FEDERATION DEVELOPMENTAL LEAGUE WAS MANDATED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO FIND THE TOP 2004 SOCCER PLAYERS ALL OVER THE USA, INCLUDING GIRLS THAT PLAY AYSO, ECNL, SCDSL, CSL, HIGH SCHOOL SOCCER AND THE DA. SOME OF US COMPETITORS DON'T LIKE THE WAY YOU SELECTED AND TO TOP IT ALL OFF, YOU DIDN'T ALLOW PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL GILRS ACCESS, ONLY PRIVATE SCHOOL KIDS. NOT FAIR, IS THAT EQUAL? HOW WAS THE LIST PUT TOGETHER????? WHO WAS THE DECISION MAKER(s) in that process for each girl? I WANT TO SAY THIS RIGHT NOW: THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE GIRLS WHO GOT PICKED, ITS ABOUT THE ADULTS WHO WERE IN CHARGE FOR THE PICKS. for my dd, her complaint is the first two u14 list of 24 and 48. I know my dd had no chance for this years LIST because she was kicked out because of HS Soccer, all because she followed the rules while some adults found little loop holes for dd to do both Private School and the DA. My only question about this years U16 list is why only DA Club kids on that list? I'm sure there is a reason that all of Michigan and Ohio are left out. My guess is they like HS Soccer too much and it wouldn't fly with the girls. I guess maybe the state of Michigan has no 04s up for the challenge. Once we get this all worked out we can all get back to the fields and battle it out on the fields only. Get the top scouts to watch and then take the top of top and help them be the best. Don't take a social joy to many and make it a punishment. Please, I beg of you. Q to all: My dd is looking for girls on her HS team to win this year. Is it ok if she recruits a DA player away for the league? Will she get in trouble for that?

So far 90% of you think I should just put it to rest. TY for your suggestions. I have considered the advice and still think we need a discussion at the very least. I just have a few questions. I'm asking them on a public forum of soccer folks and most, not all think I should get mental help, quit, go away and just put it to rest and realize it's "pipe dream"

Your problem is summed up as follows.

You want your kid to play YNT and later full NT.

You know at this point your DD needs to go DA.

You and your DD want to play HS.

As it currently stands you are not willing to make the sacrifice (no HS) to get on the YNT.

You want the rules changed so you and your DD don't have to sacrifice something to pursue the dream.

Fact: As it stands DA is the path. They are trying to kill off or minimize what ECNL is.

While we can all agree that picking players US Soccer should look everywhere...the reality is they prefer DA.

You need to tell your DD that hey if your dream is YNT or NT then as the situation currently is you must give up HS.

That is the current reality. And to be frank you and your DD know that. And yet apparently the dream of YNT and NT is apparently less important than HS.

You and your DD are not willing to make the push and sacrifice and what you 2 want is the rules to change so you 2 don't have to sacrifice what you want to do.

You can deal with what the reality is or you can go on for days doing what you are doing.

 

[Justus]

Your problem is summed up as follows.

You want your kid to play YNT and later full NT.

You know at this point your DD needs to go DA.

You and your DD want to play HS.

As it currently stands you are not willing to make the sacrifice (no HS) to get on the YNT.

You want the rules changed so you and your DD don't have to sacrifice something to pursue the dream.

Fact: As it stands DA is the path. They are trying to kill off or minimize what ECNL is.

While we can all agree that picking players US Soccer should look everywhere...the reality is they prefer DA.

You need to tell your DD that hey if your dream is YNT or NT then as the situation currently is you must give up HS.

That is the current reality. And to be frank you and your DD know that. And yet apparently the dream of YNT and NT is apparently less important than HS.

You and your DD are not willing to make the push and sacrifice and what you 2 want is the rules to change so you 2 don't have to sacrifice what you want to do.

You can deal with what the reality is or you can go on for days doing what you are doing.

Wow, great summary, TY

 

[Justus]

Wow, great summary, TY[/QU

You sound crazy and the golden rule in youth soccer is crazy troublesome parent=blacklisted player. No matter how good your player is, coaches want no part of the crazy you are sharing on a public forum. You are not winning any battles here. You are doing more damage to your DD's career by your rambling posts than by any conflict around the DA/HS debate. Color coding and CAPS don't help. Either you have a different purpose for your posts this week or are not too self aware. Others have tried to warn you about this but seems you are not getting it

Blacklisted: synonyms: boycott, ostracize, avoid, consider undesirable, steer clear of, ignore
"workers were blacklisted after being quoted in the newspaper or FORUM" or "Players were blacklisted after playing HS Soccer and for asking why they can't DO BOTH. Thanks Sombitch!!! WHY NOT LET THEM DO BOTH? WHY PRIVATE SCHOOL KIDS WAIVER AND NOT PUBLIC SCHOOL KIDS?" Has it occurred to any of you that my dd would have played DA if she could have gotten a waiver too? Think about that folks...........just a kid wanting to do both. Wow, wow, wow!!!! I think I know why...…….Also, "Little club (deep roots in OC, big brand$$$$$$$$) working hard to stay in competitive business environment blacklisted for not "developing" it's talent the right way. Only a recruiting mill of helping produce some of the most incredible woman to play the game in OC. Squeeze the little guy who only is their to help the kids, not for $$$$$$ like others......Look at the attacks on me already. Read them all.
synonyms: boycott, ostracize, avoid, consider undesirable, steer clear of, ignore;

 

[Justus]

It's not good either when DOC AT BIG CLUB SAY IF YOU LEAVE...………………. I think I've heard that before. That's puts all of us in a really horrible position as the customers, right? Afraid to leave a club. Do you think my dd has experienced being warned "this could be bad for recruiting before scare tactic a few time over the last 3 years??? REMEBER, 2016-2017. Not today.

 

[Justus]

I have an idea maybe that might work for all of us as we sort this stuff out. Lets have an all star game, "Cream wises to the top game" after all the teams finish playoffs. Just one game. DA U16 YNT vs Non DA Select Players 04' BLACK (sorry no play ups in this group). Pick 18 players from both and go at it. Two things will happen. The DA U16 YNT will stay sharp before big matches and the other girls will get a chance to challenge the top girls and stay sharp as they pursue other sports and social activities. This will also allow the SCOUTS to look at those players that are non DA so they keep an eye on them if one them is the next Mallory, Alex or Megan. Now everyone is happy and feels at least "looked" at. Selection process of the 18 from each group must be transparent for all to see. Thoughts? Ohio? Michigan?

 

[Sombitch]

I have an idea maybe that might work for all of us as we sort this stuff out. Lets have an all star game, "Cream wises to the top game" after all the teams finish playoffs. Just one game. DA U16 YNT vs Non DA Select Players 04' BLACK (sorry no play ups in this group). Pick 18 players from both and go at it. Two things will happen. The DA U16 YNT will stay sharp before big matches and the other girls will get a chance to challenge the top girls and stay sharp as they pursue other sports and social activities. This will also allow the SCOUTS to look at those players that are non DA so they keep an eye on them if one them is the next Mallory, Alex or Megan. Now everyone is happy and feels at least "looked" at. Selection process of the 18 from each group must be transparent for all to see. Thoughts? Ohio? Michigan?

This has already been done and the US team always wins easily over older girls..

Typically where ever the USNT is training,.. at the end of camp they bring in an older group of very good girls from various teams to play this US team. The US always wins easily. That said girls sometimes are noticed from these games and then get called in as well

 

[Justus]

Perfect....should we chose from the 90 Girls selected for the ECNL National ID Camp that was held in July?

No, start over with everything, clean slate Let the US Scouts pick the 18 from each team. DA U16 YNT vs All Non DA Members for whatever reason they can't commit to the commitment. I'm sorry for knocking down the DA. This can't be about DA vs ECNL. We all should be able to have choices and not feel by "some coaches" pressured, intimated, threaten with being blacklisted and so on. AYSO FOR ALL stands for something right?

 

[Justus]

This has already been done and the US team always wins easily over older girls..

Typically where ever the USNT is training,.. at the end of camp they bring in an older group of very good girls from various teams to play this US team. The US always wins easily. That said girls sometimes are noticed from these games and then get called in as well

Old way bro

 

[Justus]

Landscape I mean. It appears 1/3 of the country was not in the section process this time. Did that happen before? I thought it was more ODP and then select NT in the old way?. That would make sense to have THE CREAM. Go regionally first to get regions best and then THE BEST OF THE BEST. Not sure this happened this time. Again, more interested in 2017 process U14. Did they you even have that age group back in the day????? Cali has 11 in current group of 24. Is that normal? I think its cool too we have so many. How does Nocal look? Lot's of Earthquakes. BTW, all of those girls are deserving on those selections for all the hard work they put in