ECNL Expansion In NorCal

Watching Inter Miami right now. Noah Allen (17yr old former MLS Next defender) connected up to his forwards who crossed to Bryce Duke (21 yr forward + former Real Salt Lake + LAFC development programs).

I see why the boys top talent flows to MLS Next. Seems like they've got funnels into MLS pro soccer covered.

Eventually if MLS Next maintains the pro connections for boys it's going to force top girls ECNL clubs to make a choice.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
Watching Inter Miami right now. Noah Allen (17yr old former MLS Next defender) connected up to his forwards who crossed to Bryce Duke (21 yr forward + former Real Salt Lake + LAFC development programs).

I see why the boys top talent flows to MLS Next. Seems like they've got funnels into MLS pro soccer covered.

Eventually if MLS Next maintains the pro connections for boys it's going to force top girls ECNL clubs to make a choice.
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yes , there is a pathway, but there is also potential financial incentive down the road ( potential transfer fee) on the boys side. Even then not all MLS teams necessarily see the value in spending the money it cost to run a successful academy

doesnt NWSL have some clubs they are affiliated with , I just don’t know how much financially they are contributing to development
 
Carlsbad7 said:
Watching Inter Miami right now. Noah Allen (17yr old former MLS Next defender) connected up to his forwards who crossed to Bryce Duke (21 yr forward + former Real Salt Lake + LAFC development programs).

I see why the boys top talent flows to MLS Next. Seems like they've got funnels into MLS pro soccer covered.

Eventually if MLS Next maintains the pro connections for boys it's going to force top girls ECNL clubs to make a choice.
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Question for you bro. If the male player is better than MLS level, do they bail and play over seas to get better? If yes, what age is a good age? One of my dd former coaches signed at 15 and played against CR, Messi and the flying Dutchman in Holland in Academies. I see ECNL and GA doing more for girls outside of college soccer now. One of buddies dd is looking at playing pro in Mexico instead of college. I see amazing opportunities to study and play abroad for females and if your good enough and want to be a pro, you can as a girl, just like the boys can. Four years ago I was laughed at for even having the dream ((thoughts)) that my dd can just play soccer full time and not have to worry about a full load of classes and early morning workouts.
 
crush said:
Question for you bro. If the male player is better than MLS level, do they bail and play over seas to get better? If yes, what age is a good age? One of my dd former coaches signed at 15 and played against CR, Messi and the flying Dutchman in Holland in Academies. I see ECNL and GA doing more for girls outside of college soccer now. One of buddies dd is looking at playing pro in Mexico instead of college. I see amazing opportunities to study and play abroad for females and if your good enough and want to be a pro, you can as a girl, just like the boys can. Four years ago I was laughed at for even having the dream ((thoughts)) that my dd can just play soccer full time and not have to worry about a full load of classes and early morning workouts.
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I think y
crush said:
Question for you bro. If the male player is better than MLS level, do they bail and play over seas to get better? If yes, what age is a good age? One of my dd former coaches signed at 15 and played against CR, Messi and the flying Dutchman in Holland in Academies. I see ECNL and GA doing more for girls outside of college soccer now. One of buddies dd is looking at playing pro in Mexico instead of college. I see amazing opportunities to study and play abroad for females and if your good enough and want to be a pro, you can as a girl, just like the boys can. Four years ago I was laughed at for even having the dream ((thoughts)) that my dd can just play soccer full time and not have to worry about a full load of classes and early morning workouts.
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I may be in the minority on this but I think a stud American teenager that can get first team MLs minutes should stay , whereas going to a top Europe academy they won’t even sniff first team minutes . I also think it is difficult to get work permits in Europe especially for under 18 kids

Pulisic and Reyna are truly unicorns
 
Brav520 said:
I think y


I may be in the minority on this but I think a stud American teenager that can get first team MLs minutes should stay , whereas going to a top Europe academy they won’t even sniff first team minutes . I also think it is difficult to get work permits in Europe especially for under 18 kids

Pulisic and Reyna are truly unicorns
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I was truly talking Unicorns only. I think we have way more female Unicorns in the US then on the men side.
 
Brav520 said:
I think y


I may be in the minority on this but I think a stud American teenager that can get first team MLs minutes should stay , whereas going to a top Europe academy they won’t even sniff first team minutes . I also think it is difficult to get work permits in Europe especially for under 18 kids

Pulisic and Reyna are truly unicorns
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Look who scored the game winner,
Christian Pulisic's late winner earns Chelsea vital victory against West Ham.
 
crush said:
Question for you bro. If the male player is better than MLS level, do they bail and play over seas to get better? If yes, what age is a good age? One of my dd former coaches signed at 15 and played against CR, Messi and the flying Dutchman in Holland in Academies. I see ECNL and GA doing more for girls outside of college soccer now. One of buddies dd is looking at playing pro in Mexico instead of college. I see amazing opportunities to study and play abroad for females and if your good enough and want to be a pro, you can as a girl, just like the boys can. Four years ago I was laughed at for even having the dream ((thoughts)) that my dd can just play soccer full time and not have to worry about a full load of classes and early morning workouts.
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I personally dont think pro for either boys or girls is a good choice. They pay you next to nothing + they'll toss you to the curb in the blink of an eye. But if this is some kids dream go and try see what you can do.

The ECNL college pull for girls is very strong. But, you're hearing horror stories left and right from college players about abusive coaches and unrealistic schedules. If you were a superstar it might make sense to go pro younger + have an advantage. The whole college scholarship BS is a scam + colleges should be paying players. A scholarship isnt money (even though colleges want you to think that it is). If scholarships were $$$ youd be able to sell them if you choose to stop attending the school.
 
Brav520 said:
I think y


I may be in the minority on this but I think a stud American teenager that can get first team MLs minutes should stay , whereas going to a top Europe academy they won’t even sniff first team minutes . I also think it is difficult to get work permits in Europe especially for under 18 kids

Pulisic and Reyna are truly unicorns
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Pulisic and Reyna are not the only 2 Americans getting legitimate minutes in Top European leagues……but your point is well taken.
 
rainbow_unicorn said:
The irony in crazy parents thinking that their kids will play pro/national team from a young age is that most of the kids won't be pro and the few that do may be second or third tier pro/semi-pro and then transition to become club soccer coaches and be subject to torture from the next generation of crazy soccer parents.
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One of the best observations I have ever read on this message board!!! So true
 
crush said:
Dreamers are always cut down at the dream stage. If a kid has a dream to be a pro anything, help the kid with dream :)
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You are right...but doesn't make his observation any less true. And we need more high level coaches...nothing wrong with becoming a coach. I will say, the best coaches I have met already had massive success in business and are now just giving back to the sport they love.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
I personally dont think pro for either boys or girls is a good choice. They pay you next to nothing + they'll toss you to the curb in the blink of an eye. But if this is some kids dream go and try see what you can do.
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I personally believe having the choice of Pro Soccer or College Soccer or No Soccer is good choice. I help dreamers make their dreams come true. 99% of the parents I have met the last 11 years in this sport agree with you Carlsbad and I get that 100%. I told everyone I was going Pro baseball when I was a kid. Money does not buy anyone happiness, let me tell you.
rainbow_unicorn said:
The irony in crazy parents thinking that their kids will play pro/national team from a young age is that most of the kids won't be pro and the few that do may be second or third tier pro/semi-pro and then transition to become club soccer coaches and be subject to torture from the next generation of crazy soccer parents.
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Crazy Parent + Crazy kid + Crazy Coach= Crazy Pro Soccer Player
 
Highlander said:
You are right...but doesn't make his observation any less true. And we need more high level coaches...nothing wrong with becoming a coach. I will say, the best coaches I have met already had massive success in business and are now just giving back to the sport they love.
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My dd had a crazy ass Doc who was pushed by his English father when he was a boy to be pro and wanted him in EPL academies. However, dude was not fast enough. He was pushed so hard by his dad that he took it out on the crazy parents like me when he became Doc and head Training Center Guru. I know, dumb me for believing that my kid even had even a slight chance at pro. He was the one who said she can be Pro, not me. I just blushed with pride. Hey Highlander, when my dd told another Guru Doc in 8th grade she wasn't sure she wanted to go to college, he laughed at her and ghosted her and she went from starter to bench in one week. Go figure.
 
crush said:
My dd had a crazy ass Doc who was pushed by his English father when he was a boy to be pro and wanted him in EPL academies. However, dude was not fast enough. He was pushed so hard by his dad that he took it out on the crazy parents like me when he became Doc and head Training Center Guru. I know, dumb me for believing that my kid even had even a slight chance at pro. He was the one who said she can be Pro, not me. I just blushed with pride. Hey Highlander, when my dd told another Guru Doc in 8th grade she wasn't sure she wanted to go to college, he laughed at her and ghosted her and she went from starter to bench in one week. Go figure.
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I'm sorry to hear that...people are nuts. The more I learn about this club soccer stuff, the more I am turned off. I used to have big expectations for my dd but now I just want her to have fun and be with a great coach. Feel very lucky that is her current situation. My dd is a very good student and I want her to pick a school for academics...and then if she wants and is able to, walk on and play. If not, no big deal.
 
Highlander said:
I'm sorry to hear that...people are nuts. The more I learn about this club soccer stuff, the more I am turned off. I used to have big expectations for my dd but now I just want her to have fun and be with a great coach. Feel very lucky that is her current situation. My dd is a very good student and I want her to pick a school for academics...and then if she wants and is able to, walk on and play. If not, no big deal.
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Just to add (my edit time ran out - LOL) - My dd is a very good student and I want her to pick a school for academics...and then if she wants and is able to, walk on and play. If not, no big deal. Honestly, I don't think college athletics is healthy...too many stories about abuse, etc...and guessing what I hear I just the tip of the iceberg. The story of the Stanford Goalkeeper should resonate with all.
 
Highlander said:
I'm sorry to hear that...people are nuts. I used to have big expectations for my dd but now I just want her to have fun and be with a great coach. Feel very lucky that is her current situation. My dd is a very good student and I want her to pick a school for academics...and then if she wants and is able to, walk on and play. If not, no big deal.
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I (she) had big expectations in 6th and 7th grade with club soccer because she had a few dreams she wanted to come true and I love people with dreams. These were her dreams, not mind by the way. She is my pea to my pod so when she wins, I win. When she loses, I lose. When laughs, I laugh. When she cries, I cry. When she has pain, I have pain. She's happy, I am happy :) I love her so much bro. Anyway, her first dream in soccer was to win a State Cup. Her first year of club and State Cup was at 7 years old. Her team was bounced early, no wins. The coach's husband hated me because I told him to "stop coaching the girls from the side line bro" at State Cup and he got all pissed off and told me to STFU and let's take it to the parking lot for a dual! I kid you not. We ((the other dads)) were all afraid to speak up during the season because his wife held the cards for play time and he was 6 4'. My dd tried two more State Cups with another club, only to lose in Quarter Finals. She wanted that State Cup so bad and lost in OT to Carlsbad. A fun team to lose to and with cool parents. Surf poached some of them later......lol. SoCal Blues Coach Tad ((Founder of ODP and first ever U15 Girls YNT coach)) came by around this time scouting players from other clubs for his new U11 team. This was going to be his last team in 40 years of coaching females in soccer. He only coached 7 teams Highlander, that's it. He was honest about his purpose for the girls and what he was all about. He never sold YNT, The List, the Training Center or ODP, never once. Just be a good person and work hard at your craft and try to win. He never sold ODP but he started it, go figure. He never brought up his connections but had plenty. It was only soccer on the field, not soccer politics and working the room in the back. He did sell ECNL for the future if my kid makes his team each year after tryouts, but that flew over my head. I told him I was looking for winning at the highest level and so was my dd. I asked him if my kid had IT, like was she all that and "do you see her making the YNT" some day or having a chance some day? "What's the process coach?" "Tell me coach" I asked the guru himself. He said no way to really know in America until the female develops her true body and shape, which is around 17 and if they still love the game. Many girls quit for many reasons he said. My dd was 10 when I asked so he was not going to sugar coat nothing. He told me the truth, "I don;t know." He was all about winning now as a team and not about the individual and preparing to win every game no matter what. My kid loved that and signed with him for two years and they never lost a league game and won it all. Never take opponent lightly and show no mercy she was taught and they won Cal South State Cup first year and her first soccer dream came true. Only one team won. Second dream was win Surf Cup ((won three)). Third dream was win a Far West Regional ((won one)) and fourth dream was win USYS Nattty ((won one)). Her 5th dream was win a D3 CIF Championship. Fell short but got moved up to D1 her last year and not her fault. She had a few personal dreams when she was 13, like make the U14 YNT. This was billed as a "must make" and "first ever of it's kind" and something that was presented as a possibility because the "scouts" said so and they all loved her I was told. The only problem with this dream is I got in the way. I see that clearly today. I pissed off three Docs with all the power in less than 12 months. Long story and I wont bore you but it goes to say what you said, that the Docs have the sway and pull at the younger ages. Like many have said before me, you will always have the top top can't miss or your fired players. Its the rest that need help and that is where a Doc with connections comes in. My kid was 100% committed when she was 12 and 13 and gave up 16 months ((two summers)) to train in the heat for the "First Of It's Kind U14 Girls National Team" and that team will go to England for some matches I was sold. Tell a kid to give up her life and then you find out it was just a list and no play at all was disheartening to say the least. Enough with my sour grapes.
 
Highlander said:
Just to add (my edit time ran out - LOL) - My dd is a very good student and I want her to pick a school for academics...and then if she wants and is able to, walk on and play. If not, no big deal. Honestly, I don't think college athletics is healthy...too many stories about abuse, etc...and guessing what I hear I just the tip of the iceberg. The story of the Stanford Goalkeeper should resonate with all.
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The story of the Stanford Goalkeeper should not "resonate" with anyone. It is extremely unwise and inappropriate to attempt to take meaning from an incident involving a person you don't know that happened for reasons you know nothing about. There is no big picture meaning for outsiders to take from that incident, and it's more than a little offensive to co-opt her family's tragedy to support your pre-existing viewpoint.

The truth is college athletes overall tend to succeed better in life compared by virtually every measure compared to those who did not play college sports. Furthermore, suicide rates for college athletes, and female athletes in particular, are also lower than for non-athletes. Relying on one incident (or a handful of them) to reach such a negative conclusion about college sports, while at the same time ignoring the millions upon millions of women who have benefited from participating in college athletics, is pretty crazy.

We all want to protect our children from harm. Instead, many people instead end up "protecting" them from what are, in reality, opportunities to succeed because they're too afraid their children might fail. So they deter them from pursuing those opportunities.
 
GoldenGate said:
The story of the Stanford Goalkeeper should not "resonate" with anyone. It is extremely unwise and inappropriate to attempt to take meaning from an incident involving a person you don't know that happened for reasons you know nothing about. There is no big picture meaning for outsiders to take from that incident, and it's more than a little offensive to co-opt her family's tragedy to support your pre-existing viewpoint.

The truth is college athletes overall tend to succeed better in life compared by virtually every measure compared to those who did not play college sports. Furthermore, suicide rates for college athletes, and female athletes in particular, are also lower than for non-athletes. Relying on one incident (or a handful of them) to reach such a negative conclusion about college sports, while at the same time ignoring the millions upon millions of women who have benefited from participating in college athletics, is pretty crazy.

We all want to protect our children from harm. Instead, many people instead end up "protecting" them from what are, in reality, opportunities to succeed because they're too afraid their children might fail. So they deter them from pursuing those opportunities.
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You have studies to back up your assertions? A lot of high profile student athlete suicides lately. Just my personal opinion...way too much pressure is put on kids. Not only that but a lot of allegations of coaching abuse at the college level.
 
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