Agreed. Both regions deserved one more so it makes sense. I imagine no more expansion in Nor Cal for a bit now with 10 being a nice round number. Look forward to this site being really fun when tryouts begin.
ECNL Expansion In NorCal
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Highlander
SILVER ELITE
Couldn't agree more and its there for the taking for the clubs that step up. Seems like Stanislaus and Ajax have a leg up at the moment.
That said, I still think ECNL, a private league, is still lame. The concept offends me. At least they made it more tolerable with the new NorCal Conference. Hopefully they start to allow teams to play in like they do on the boys side...they do that it would be ok...just need to add relegation at that point.
To do regulation they'd need to split girls and boys ECNL apart + make them separate entities per club + things would get super messy.
Otherwise regulated clubs would just switch to NPL or GA / MLS Next.
Back in the day they called it Redlining. I dont think this applies at all but you get the point. Companies like the Yellow Pages and Water delivery Companies got in trouble for not servicing South Central and parts of LA in the 90s. You do have to afford the ECNL and it's not getting any cheaper. Gas is insane and prices have gone up everywhere you go. What cost the average family $10,000 a year for dd to play elite soccer is now projected to be $15,000 a year. If you go in style and first class, $20,000 a year to play soccer if you travel with your child. If you're poor and have to work 60 hours a week, your best bet is to find a stay at home mom who would be willing to watch over your child on the road.
GoldenGate
GOLD
I do.
Suicide in National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Athletes: A 9-Year Analysis of the NCAA Resolutions Database - PMC
The National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) has recently highlighted mental health concerns in student athletes, though the incidence of suicide among NCAA athletes is unclear. The purpose of this study was to determine the rate of suicide ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Mind, Body and Sport: Suicidal tendencies
Mind, Body and Sport: Suicidal tendencies An excerpt from the Sport Science Institute’s guide to understanding and supporting student-athlete mental wellness
www.ncaa.org
Gallup study shows positive life outcomes for college athletes
A Gallup study of college graduates found that former athletes were more likely to be thriving in life after graduation, largely due to the support systems their sports team provided for them.
Student Athletes Report Success After College, but Sports Take Toll on Some Men
A landmark survey of college graduates contains two big findings: Female college athletes make great employees; and male college football and basketball players pay a physical price later in life.
www.wsj.com
No, "a lot of high profile athletes" have not committed suicide lately. A handful have, just as a handful always have. Just as they always have at a lower rate than those who don't have the benefits of college sports.
It is no wonder that so many kids are struggling given how many parents constantly bring home such negativity. You are seriously deterring your own kid from playing a sport in college because you're worried she might fail, not on the field but in life, because of it. Instead, you would prefer to deny her the opportunity that she might have to leverage soccer to open college opportunity for her; you'd prefer to send her to boozy dorms her freshman year with no built in friend group or an activity that is very likely to reduce the risk of rampant substance abuse when she gets there; you'd rather send her to college without the instant respect that college athletes tend to receive just being a college athlete.
Some day you will find that there will always be "too much pressure" on your child whether she plays sports, participates in debate, goes pre-med, goes into the workforce, or does anything. You'll even find there is likely to be "too much pressure" if your child doesn't do anything at all and feels left behind her peers who did play soccer or do other things, all because her daddy deterred her from doing things because everything has "too much pressure". By far the best way to reduce the "too much pressure" on your child is to be a positive and supportive parent, instead of one who constantly whines to them about how playing a child's sport is just too much for their kid and deters them from doing something they presumably enjoyed until their parent ruined it for them with their self-pity and helicopter parenting.
GoldenGate
GOLD
Did you really just say you would prefer less travel in the same post in which you're complaining about Fresno and Modesto not having ECNL clubs?
The last time I checked, Fresno and Modesto are closer than Phoenix, Denver, and Seattle.
I’m not talking about $70 in gas for a day trip. That’s fine. The problem is $1500 in flights and hotels for a three day weekend with one decent game.
Highlander
SILVER ELITE
First off, thanks for the links...the initial study you linked is interesting. That said, I think any high profile student athlete suicide should be something all parents of athletes and non athletes should consider.
Then of course, you being a douche bag and all, couldn't resist with the BS comment quoted. This coming from the guy crying about a club being in Placer county and having to make the drive there. Like I said above, for every decent comment you make comes with a shit load of garbage. You would be pretty cool if you could just cut down on the BS.
No, it's not find to $pend and pay to play travel soccer in todays financial times that is destroying the middle class and the poor. The rich are find. The truth is this: It's $280 in Gas + $200 eating out + $50 in Parking fees = $530 a month x 10=$5300 to travel locally from town to town. When you add the $1500 a few times a year, now that's another $5,000. Plus the club fees and if you doing privates with the Doc or coach, add another $600 a month for private coaching. Add all that up for me an let me know what you can round out to be able to participate in the pay and play youth soccer in America. Socal had it made back when CSL was IT. Teams came to play in Surf Cup to prove who was #1 and that was the traveling needed. NoCal would also come here and the top clubs would go up to Nocal for tournaments. That's how it was done. Today, Socal is covered with water down soccer politics and a nice business for some dads and business people.
what-happened
GOLD
wait, I thought you left twitter?I do.
Suicide in National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Athletes: A 9-Year Analysis of the NCAA Resolutions Database - PMC
The National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) has recently highlighted mental health concerns in student athletes, though the incidence of suicide among NCAA athletes is unclear. The purpose of this study was to determine the rate of suicide ...
Mind, Body and Sport: Suicidal tendencies
Mind, Body and Sport: Suicidal tendencies An excerpt from the Sport Science Institute’s guide to understanding and supporting student-athlete mental wellnessGallup study shows positive life outcomes for college athletes
A Gallup study of college graduates found that former athletes were more likely to be thriving in life after graduation, largely due to the support systems their sports team provided for them.www.insidehighered.com
Student Athletes Report Success After College, but Sports Take Toll on Some Men
A landmark survey of college graduates contains two big findings: Female college athletes make great employees; and male college football and basketball players pay a physical price later in life.
No, "a lot of high profile athletes" have not committed suicide lately. A handful have, just as a handful always have. Just as they always have at a lower rate than those who don't have the benefits of college sports.
It is no wonder that so many kids are struggling given how many parents constantly bring home such negativity. You are seriously deterring your own kid from playing a sport in college because you're worried she might fail, not on the field but in life, because of it. Instead, you would prefer to deny her the opportunity that she might have to leverage soccer to open college opportunity for her; you'd prefer to send her to boozy dorms her freshman year with no built in friend group or an activity that is very likely to reduce the risk of rampant substance abuse when she gets there; you'd rather send her to college without the instant respect that college athletes tend to receive just being a college athlete.
Some day you will find that there will always be "too much pressure" on your child whether she plays sports, participates in debate, goes pre-med, goes into the workforce, or does anything. You'll even find there is likely to be "too much pressure" if your child doesn't do anything at all and feels left behind her peers who did play soccer or do other things, all because her daddy deterred her from doing things because everything has "too much pressure". By far the best way to reduce the "too much pressure" on your child is to be a positive and supportive parent, instead of one who constantly whines to them about how playing a child's sport is just too much for their kid and deters them from doing something they presumably enjoyed until their parent ruined it for them with their self-pity and helicopter parenting.
GoldenGate
GOLD
Kiddie soccer has destroyed the middle class and the poor? Really? No one ever forced your kid to play travel soccer. The fact that you are complaining about the cost of private coaching for a child to play a child's sport, which may be one of the most indulgent and stupidest ways possible for someone in the middle class of lower to waste money, strongly suggests that you really need to take a step back and decide what is important, and what is not. If private soccer lessons for your child are too expensive for you, then don't do it.
Surf Zombie
GOLD
ECNL Girls - Elite Clubs National League
The official ECNL Girls page for Elite Clubs National League
www.ecnlgirls.com
Why would that upset socal parents?
The price tag for elite soccer coaching and training is going up for todays elite soccer parents. I got free handouts Golden Gate so my cost is different compared to the rich and the middle class, don't forget that. Private "paid" lessons with the Doc or coach is tied directly to play time and favoritism. It showed the Doc exactly how much a parent is willing to pay to improve their Childs chances of success. Tell you want, let's not talk here and hog the thread. PM me and we can go private debating and not take over a thread. You can share my PMs too so no worries.
VegasParent
SILVER ELITE
Socal parents have said many times that there are enough quality teams in their area that there is no reason to travel for games. 13 of the 17 teams in the southwest are in Socal. So if 10 is enough for a Norcal conference it sounds like the Socal parents have a strong argument to have their own conference as well.
Real question. Has anyone in the valley truly applied and wanted into ECNL? I think one in Fresno would be good because there is enough talent in that area but I do wonder if they want everything that comes with ECNL
With this new Nor Cal conference I'm assuming it takes away the one spring travel trip to Oregon, Wash, CO, etc. Where does Colorado team gets enough games if taking games away vs nor cal teams. I thik they had 4 games vs those teams. Interesting to see the hole alignment when that comes out/schedule for next year.
So cal can certainly have their own but what happens to the 4 other teams? No way to get enough games without traveling liek crazy although I'm sure some would be happy not to see the top so cal teams!
Don’t know. I know individual kids do it. There may or may not be enough of them to make a team viable under the current structure. Certainly seems like Fresno could support one if ECNL can get their costs down.
Orangeteam
SILVER ELITE
I dont know if the new conference really makes a difference other than a new badge. If this means no more Colorado or Crossfire games then we've accomplished only watering down the games so ECNL can form a conference. It will make me more willing to travel to So Cal just to scrimmage if this is the path that's being forged.