ECNL Expansion In NorCal

[Carlsbad7]

Speak of the devil...this just popped up on my FB feed: https://people.com/sports/wisconsin-track-star-family-speaks-out-after-suicide-launches-foundation/

College students aren't getting paid in $$$ instead in "scholarship opportunities" because of this they get trapped in bad situations.

College coaches exploit players by threatening to take away scholarships or making it so hard on the players they leave. Then bam, suddenly they have a scholarship funds available for a new player.

This is why I say that scholarships are a scam. They're not $$$ because they're not transferrable + if the college chooses to take them away you're screwed into paying full levels of tuition.

 

[dad4]

College students aren't getting paid in $$$ instead in "scholarship opportunities" because of this they get trapped in bad situations.

College coaches exploit players by threatening to take away scholarships or making it so hard on the players they leave. Then bam, suddenly they have a scholarship funds available for a new player.

This is why I say that scholarships are a scam. They're not $$$ because they're not transferrable + if the college chooses to take them away you're screwed into paying full levels of tuition.

Does this show up in things you can know in advance? Might even be as simple as “stay away from any school with twice as many seniors as freshmen.”

 

[crush]

College students aren't getting paid in $$$ instead in "scholarship opportunities" because of this they get trapped in bad situations.

College coaches exploit players by threatening to take away scholarships or making it so hard on the players they leave. Then bam, suddenly they have a scholarship funds available for a new player.

This is why I say that scholarships are a scam. They're not $$$ because they're not transferrable + if the college chooses to take them away you're screwed into paying full levels of tuition.

True story bro. A top Doc told me about one of his former stars. YNT player and a nice deal to Big U with all the big pressures that come with playing big time college soccer, that is crammed into three months of play. This player verbally committed in early 9th grade. Her first day of college practice was also her last one. I guess they have this running test and this player did not come into camp ready and puked. Coach grabbed her by the ponytail and told her to quit before she get's her deal taken a way. She told her dad that the coach was mean and not how she was on the phone when they last talked. It's a rude awakening for most of the girls. Again, maybe 10% can handle this kind of pressure at the highest levels of the girls game after club.

 

[Carlsbad7]

True story bro. A top Doc told me about one of his former stars. YNT player and a nice deal to Big U with all the big pressures that come with playing big time college soccer, that is crammed into three months of play. This player verbally committed in early 9th grade. Her first day of college practice was also her last one. I guess they have this running test and this player did not come into camp ready and puked. Coach grabbed her by the ponytail and told her to quit before she get's her deal taken a way. She told her dad that the coach was mean and not how she was on the phone when they last talked. It's a rude awakening for most of the girls. Again, maybe 10% can handle this kind of pressure at the highest levels of the girls game after club.

If you're getting paid to play a sport expecting a certain level of fitness is reasonable. Also this is where agents come in + represent their player.

A 30k discount from a 60k per year school isnt worth being run to the point where you puke and having your hair pulled by a coach. This is abuse.

 

[crush]

If you're getting paid to play a sport expecting a certain level of fitness is reasonable. Also this is where agents come in + represent their player.

A 30k discount from a 60k per year school isnt worth being run to the point where you puke and having your hair pulled by a coach. This is abuse.

That's what I thought as well. If I were a basketball coach and had one of my studs come in to camp out of shape and some pukes on the first day, I would keep an eye on them and make sure their ok and maybe a little smack laugh and tell them they better eat better and come back ready for more running tomorrow. That's it. It is soccer and you should come to camp in shape. The point the Doc was making was why the rule was changed in the first place and college soccer is hard and most quit before they finish all four years. This is why I held my child back in 7th and 8th grade. I already heard two horror stories from parents I knew who had players playing college ball. I got hammered for it but I'm sure glad I stepped in because my dd was not up to the pressure of all the school work that came with soccer and all the games in three months and maybe playoffs.

 

[what-happened]

The story of the Stanford Goalkeeper should not "resonate" with anyone. It is extremely unwise and inappropriate to attempt to take meaning from an incident involving a person you don't know that happened for reasons you know nothing about. There is no big picture meaning for outsiders to take from that incident, and it's more than a little offensive to co-opt her family's tragedy to support your pre-existing viewpoint.

The truth is college athletes overall tend to succeed better in life compared by virtually every measure compared to those who did not play college sports. Furthermore, suicide rates for college athletes, and female athletes in particular, are also lower than for non-athletes. Relying on one incident (or a handful of them) to reach such a negative conclusion about college sports, while at the same time ignoring the millions upon millions of women who have benefited from participating in college athletics, is pretty crazy.

We all want to protect our children from harm. Instead, many people instead end up "protecting" them from what are, in reality, opportunities to succeed because they're too afraid their children might fail. So they deter them from pursuing those opportunities.

where do you get your material?

 

[crush]

The story of the Stanford Goalkeeper should not "resonate" with anyone. It is extremely unwise and inappropriate to attempt to take meaning from an incident involving a person you don't know that happened for reasons you know nothing about. There is no big picture meaning for outsiders to take from that incident, and it's more than a little offensive to co-opt her family's tragedy to support your pre-existing viewpoint.

The truth is college athletes overall tend to succeed better in life compared by virtually every measure compared to those who did not play college sports. Furthermore, suicide rates for college athletes, and female athletes in particular, are also lower than for non-athletes. Relying on one incident (or a handful of them) to reach such a negative conclusion about college sports, while at the same time ignoring the millions upon millions of women who have benefited from participating in college athletics, is pretty crazy.

We all want to protect our children from harm. Instead, many people instead end up "protecting" them from what are, in reality, opportunities to succeed because they're too afraid their children might fail. So they deter them from pursuing those opportunities.

 

[Anon9]

Back to the real readon we're here.

 

[Anon9]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1518741453039710208

 

[VegasParent]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1518741453039710208

Norcal gets their own conference? I wonder if that's going to upset some Socal parents.

 

[Highlander]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1518741453039710208

Well deserved for these two clubs.

 

[soccer4us]

Well deserved for these two clubs.

Agreed. Both regions deserved one more so it makes sense. I imagine no more expansion in Nor Cal for a bit now with 10 being a nice round number. Look forward to this site being really fun when tryouts begin.

 

[dad4]

I hope it means less travel.

It still leaves a weird central valley gap. There are lots of good players in Stockton, Modesto, and Fresno. Their absence makes ECNL look less like a top players league and more like a rich kids league.

 

[Highlander]

I hope it means less travel.

It still leaves a weird central valley gap. There are lots of good players in Stockton, Modesto, and Fresno. Their absence makes ECNL look less like a top players league and more like a rich kids league.

Couldn't agree more and its there for the taking for the clubs that step up. Seems like Stanislaus and Ajax have a leg up at the moment.

That said, I still think ECNL, a private league, is still lame. The concept offends me. At least they made it more tolerable with the new NorCal Conference. Hopefully they start to allow teams to play in like they do on the boys side...they do that it would be ok...just need to add relegation at that point.

 

[Carlsbad7]

Couldn't agree more and its there for the taking for the clubs that step up. Seems like Stanislaus and Ajax have a leg up at the moment.

That said, I still think ECNL, a private league, is still lame. The concept offends me. At least they made it more tolerable with the new NorCal Conference. Hopefully they start to allow teams to play in like they do on the boys side...they do that it would be ok...just need to add relegation at that point.

To do regulation they'd need to split girls and boys ECNL apart + make them separate entities per club + things would get super messy.

Otherwise regulated clubs would just switch to NPL or GA / MLS Next.

 

[crush]

I hope it means less travel.

It still leaves a weird central valley gap. There are lots of good players in Stockton, Modesto, and Fresno. Their absence makes ECNL look less like a top players league and more like a rich kids league.

Back in the day they called it Redlining. I dont think this applies at all but you get the point. Companies like the Yellow Pages and Water delivery Companies got in trouble for not servicing South Central and parts of LA in the 90s. You do have to afford the ECNL and it's not getting any cheaper. Gas is insane and prices have gone up everywhere you go. What cost the average family $10,000 a year for dd to play elite soccer is now projected to be $15,000 a year. If you go in style and first class, $20,000 a year to play soccer if you travel with your child. If you're poor and have to work 60 hours a week, your best bet is to find a stay at home mom who would be willing to watch over your child on the road.

 

[GoldenGate]

You have studies to back up your assertions? A lot of high profile student athlete suicides lately. Just my personal opinion...way too much pressure is put on kids. Not only that but a lot of allegations of coaching abuse at the college level.

I do.

Suicide in National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Athletes: A 9-Year Analysis of the NCAA Resolutions Database - PMC

The National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) has recently highlighted mental health concerns in student athletes, though the incidence of suicide among NCAA athletes is unclear. The purpose of this study was to determine the rate of suicide ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Mind, Body and Sport: Suicidal tendencies

Mind, Body and Sport: Suicidal tendencies An excerpt from the Sport Science Institute’s guide to understanding and supporting student-athlete mental wellness

www.ncaa.org

Gallup study shows positive life outcomes for college athletes

A Gallup study of college graduates found that former athletes were more likely to be thriving in life after graduation, largely due to the support systems their sports team provided for them.

www.insidehighered.com

Student Athletes Report Success After College, but Sports Take Toll on Some Men

A landmark survey of college graduates contains two big findings: Female college athletes make great employees; and male college football and basketball players pay a physical price later in life.

www.wsj.com

No, "a lot of high profile athletes" have not committed suicide lately. A handful have, just as a handful always have. Just as they always have at a lower rate than those who don't have the benefits of college sports.

It is no wonder that so many kids are struggling given how many parents constantly bring home such negativity. You are seriously deterring your own kid from playing a sport in college because you're worried she might fail, not on the field but in life, because of it. Instead, you would prefer to deny her the opportunity that she might have to leverage soccer to open college opportunity for her; you'd prefer to send her to boozy dorms her freshman year with no built in friend group or an activity that is very likely to reduce the risk of rampant substance abuse when she gets there; you'd rather send her to college without the instant respect that college athletes tend to receive just being a college athlete.

Some day you will find that there will always be "too much pressure" on your child whether she plays sports, participates in debate, goes pre-med, goes into the workforce, or does anything. You'll even find there is likely to be "too much pressure" if your child doesn't do anything at all and feels left behind her peers who did play soccer or do other things, all because her daddy deterred her from doing things because everything has "too much pressure". By far the best way to reduce the "too much pressure" on your child is to be a positive and supportive parent, instead of one who constantly whines to them about how playing a child's sport is just too much for their kid and deters them from doing something they presumably enjoyed until their parent ruined it for them with their self-pity and helicopter parenting.

 

[GoldenGate]

I hope it means less travel.

It still leaves a weird central valley gap. There are lots of good players in Stockton, Modesto, and Fresno. Their absence makes ECNL look less like a top players league and more like a rich kids league.

Did you really just say you would prefer less travel in the same post in which you're complaining about Fresno and Modesto not having ECNL clubs?

 

[dad4]

Did you really just say you would prefer less travel in the same post in which you're complaining about Fresno and Modesto not having ECNL clubs?

The last time I checked, Fresno and Modesto are closer than Phoenix, Denver, and Seattle.

I’m not talking about $70 in gas for a day trip. That’s fine. The problem is $1500 in flights and hotels for a three day weekend with one decent game.

 

[Highlander]

Some day you will find that there will always be "too much pressure" on your child whether she plays sports, participates in debate, goes pre-med, goes into the workforce, or does anything. You'll even find there is likely to be "too much pressure" if your child doesn't do anything at all and feels left behind her peers who did play soccer or do other things, all because her daddy deterred her from doing things because everything has "too much pressure". By far the best way to reduce the "too much pressure" on your child is to be a positive and supportive parent, instead of one who constantly whines to them about how playing a child's sport is just too much for their kid and deters them from doing something they presumably enjoyed until their parent ruined it for them with their self-pity and helicopter parenting.

First off, thanks for the links...the initial study you linked is interesting. That said, I think any high profile student athlete suicide should be something all parents of athletes and non athletes should consider.

Then of course, you being a douche bag and all, couldn't resist with the BS comment quoted. This coming from the guy crying about a club being in Placer county and having to make the drive there. Like I said above, for every decent comment you make comes with a shit load of garbage. You would be pretty cool if you could just cut down on the BS.

 

[crush]

The last time I checked, Fresno and Modesto are closer than Phoenix, Denver, and Seattle.

I’m not talking about $70 in gas for a day trip. That’s fine. The problem is $1500 in flights and hotels for a three day weekend with one decent game.

No, it's not find to $pend and pay to play travel soccer in todays financial times that is destroying the middle class and the poor. The rich are find. The truth is this: It's $280 in Gas + $200 eating out + $50 in Parking fees = $530 a month x 10=$5300 to travel locally from town to town. When you add the $1500 a few times a year, now that's another $5,000. Plus the club fees and if you doing privates with the Doc or coach, add another $600 a month for private coaching. Add all that up for me an let me know what you can round out to be able to participate in the pay and play youth soccer in America. Socal had it made back when CSL was IT. Teams came to play in Surf Cup to prove who was #1 and that was the traveling needed. NoCal would also come here and the top clubs would go up to Nocal for tournaments. That's how it was done. Today, Socal is covered with water down soccer politics and a nice business for some dads and business people.